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[edit] fleet

In review of the numbers, the total aircraft as of 2007 for Piedmont is as follows: DHC-8-100/200/300 - (58) total aircraft with (9) stored and (29) leased.

According to the Piedmont website on May 9th, 2008, they "currently operate 55 deHavilland DHC-8 turbo prop aircraft". Any way to find out how they break down by series? Greg Salter (talk) 01:07, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Split

Even though Piedmont (pre US Air) and Piedmont (post US Air) both have the same name they're really different airlines. I think they should be split into their own articles per the PSA Airlines and Pacific Southwest Airlines articles.. —Cliffb 05:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


I agree. Hopefully it will not be too confusing. --Boobinson 19:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there's enough content to split.. I think it's fine to combine, the differences are clearly outlined in article. Bwave 02:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I think this new format works much better. It is easier to differentiate between the two Piedmont entities. --Boobinson 16:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IATA Code

There is actually to my knowlege no code for Piedmont Airlines. PI doesn't belong to an airline, and EN is Air Dolomiti. So if people are wondering why the code is going back and forth it is because it has been set at EN and EN is not the code. :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RokinRyan (talk • contribs).

As an employee of Piedmont Airlines, you are incorrect in "updating" the IATA codes for our airline. Apparently you have missed the details about IATA codes that "Controlled duplicates are issued to regional airlines whose destinations are not likely to overlap, such that some codes are shared by two different airlines."
Just as EN is the IATA code for Piedmont Airlines, my company ID also includes EN as a part of my employee number. We also have tail numbers on some of our aircraft that use our IATA code. Please view http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0639036/M/ and you'll see what I mean.
This chart might also lend some credibility to my statements. http://thehub.usairways.com/travel/2006/0428_BoardingPriorityChart.pdf Read what it says in the blue box in the upper right corner for "active employees". Also reference the row for S3 and S4 travel as it pertains to active employees and retirees of JS and EN.
In reference to your statement above, Piedmont and PSA are not "operated by US Airways Express". There is no corporation known as US Airways Express. Rather, US Airways Inc (US), Piedmont Airlines (EN), and PSA Airlines (JS) are all subsidiaries of the corporate entity known as US Airways Group. It is exactly the opposite of your statement. There is a general group of flights by nine regional carriers that comprise the marketing identity of "US Airways Express". Some of those flights are OPERATED by Piedmont Airlines, just as some US Aiways Express flights are OPERATED by PSA Airlines. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.200.121.62 (talk • contribs).

I am getting this info directly from Worldspan's reservation system EN DLA AIR DOLOMITI 101 and JS AIR KORYO --- and also from http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk

IATA Code:  EN 
ICAO Code:  DLA
IATA Accounting / Prefix Code:   
Known As:  Air Dolomiti 
Full Name:  Air Dolomiti S.p.A. Aeree Regionali Europee 
Country:  Italy 
Callsign:  Dolomiti 
Remarks:  Name changed from Air Dolomiti S.p.A. 
Notes:   
Web Site:  www.airdolomiti.it/

and

IATA Code:  JS 
ICAO Code:  KOR 
IATA Accounting / Prefix Code:  120 
Known As:  Air Koryo 
Full Name:  Air Koryo 
Country:  Korea, Democratic People's Republic of 
Callsign:  Air Koryo 
Remarks:   
Notes:   
Web Site:  www.korea-dpr.com/airkoryo.htm

However for Piedmont I got this on the same site

IATA Code:  US* 
ICAO Code:  PDT 
IATA Accounting / Prefix Code:   
Known As:  USAir Express 
Full Name:  Piedmont Airlines, Inc. d/b/a USAir Express 
Country:  United States of America 
Callsign:  Piedmont 
Remarks:   
Notes:   
Web Site:
  • = Controlled duplicate

and

IATA Code:   
ICAO Code:  JIA 
IATA Accounting / Prefix Code:   
Known As:  PSA Airlines 
Full Name:  PSA Airlines 
Country:  United States of America 
Callsign:  Blue Streak 
Remarks:  Changed name from Jetstream International Airlines w.e.f. 01/11/1995 
Notes:  US Airways Express Carrier 
Web Site:  www.psaairlines.com

So from two sites, it must be right. Alot of the times the N number doesn't really mean anything like N371CA, CA is China Airlines, not Comair. So with that I change both back to US. If you indeed find something that proves me wrong let me know and either I will change it or you can. RokinRyan

I have to wonder what your qualifications might be that would indicate that you have enough background on this topic to make these incorrect changes. First off, you cite a reservation system as a source. A reservation system not even owned or used by US Airways Group. If >>Worldspan<< is programmed that way for viewing schedules or selling tickets, that does not mean that the >>IATA<< codes cannot be identical when "issued to regional airlines whose destinations are not likely to overlap".

Then you state it "must be right" because of the information coming from two sites. However, the second source is a web site not even from the USA. Because of the geographic or corporate background of the sources you reference, they may choose to publish that EN is AIR DOLOMITI and JS is AIR KORYO because together with Piedmont and PSA they are each "regional airlines whose destinations are not likely to overlap". We know that IATA allows controlled duplicates of the same codes under these circumstances. It is appropriate for AIR DOLOMITI and AIR KORYO to be EN and JS respectively in various parts of the world. However, these web pages talk about Piedmont and PSA as they exist in the USA. And in the USA, the specifics of US Airways Group indicate that EN and JS exist as Piedmont and PSA. I have no issue against AIR DOLOMITI and AIR KORYO to be EN and JS respectively when specifically referring to them. However, they are not globally exclusive to these IATA codes.

You're right, alot of times the N number does not mean anything. However you are confusing IATA code (CA = Air China) with the prefix for registration state (N = USA) as designated by ICAO. Of course Air China would not operate N371CA, because it is a US registered aircraft. And whether or not Comair chooses to use CA for their tail numbers is completely open to their discretion, regardless of what their IATA code is. All I was suggesting is this: Many airlines do choose to use their IATA code for part of their tail number. It just amazes me that you continue to think that Piedmont and PSA do not use EN and JS as their IATA codes. If the EN and JS tail numbers on Piedmont's and PSA's airplanes do not represent their IATA codes, then why would they have chosen them?71.200.121.62 17:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)