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[edit] Human respiratory system

Needs a quick accuracy check before it hits the big time. Used in Respiratory system, Pulmonary alveolus, Respiratory tract, Bronchus and Left lung. Created by LadyofHats.

• Nominated by: MER-C 09:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Comments:

• I didn't even know that the cartilage holding the trachea and the bronchi open had different names. However, I do know that if a passage has cartilage holding it open, it is called a "bronchi" and if it doesn't have cartilage holding it open, it is called a "bronchiole," and bronchioles are really, really small. This means that there is cartilage on much, much smaller tubes for air than shown. My third and fourth possible issues are about the alveoli detail. I don't know what the "Connective tissue" line is pointing at. If you've got mucus glands in the bronchioles and mucus, why not have the Type II alveolar cells that secrete surfactants to prevent alveolar collapse? - Enuja (talk) 23:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
• Just at a quick glance, there's typos e.g., supperior; inconsistent capitalisation e.g., lingula; imprecise text alignment; text seemingly unnecessarily crossing over lines; and what I regard as errors, for example the red vessel in the alveoli is labeled vein and the blue one labeled artery, contrary to generally accepted conventions. Sorry, don't have time to go through it carefully (sadly many voters on FPC seem to ignore these types of factual problems anyway and vote because it looks pretty, so none of this may matter). --jjron (talk) 07:56, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing typos and inconsistent capitalization. Different people have different skills, so please don't be bitter that not everyone at FPC is a great copy editor (I'm a terrible one, personally). You bringing up copy editing issues becomes very important instead of kinda important when other people are bad at copy editing. - Enuja (talk) 19:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, you're totally right. My beef is with people that just totally ignore factual errors after they've been pointed out! --jjron (talk) 05:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

• • in the lung, oposite to in the rest of the body the artery (blood moving out from the hearth) transport blood with few oxigen (blue) and the vein (moving blood to the hearth)is transporting blood high in oxigen (red) so the actual convention is respected.
    • • True, good point - that's what you get for taking quick glances. Having said which, I doubt they're strictly arteries and veins entering/leaving alveoli, more likely arterioles and venules. --jjron (talk) 15:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  • hereis the source for the names like vestible of the nose.
  • i didnt made cartilage in the alveoli close up becouse one can not see it in the other images i got as source. what i could do is to label it as bronchiole if you wish but it would then again only increase the confussion. Also, i can not do cartilage in the whole branches of the lung it would be graphicaly confusing.
  • The conective tissue is that what surrounds the alveoli, i was shortening the arrow to make it more clear.
  • none of my sources mentions the Type II cells, i believe it would mean a scale problem to add them. looking like just points inside it.
  • about the text, there is too much. as it is now the image is barely readable when seen the whole picture at once. if i was to expand the text (so it doesnt cross lines) or make it smaller (so it fit in less space) the image would become unreadable. Still i will try to rearenge the text.
    • • Can't you make the image a bit wider and push the alveoli callout to the right, which would then help avoid this problem of text crossing lines? --jjron (talk) 15:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  • will make the changes and reload the image. thanks for your time -LadyofHats (talk) 12:21, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

If there is too much text now, I'd remove "connective tissue" and not add the type II cells. I guess I just thought it was strange to have the inside of the bronchiole bright green because it had a "special coating" of mucus and not the inside of the alveoli bright green, because it has a much more special coating of surfactant. Honestly, I'd also remove the label of "mucus" and the bright green color instead the bronchi for simplicity. - Enuja (talk) 19:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

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