User talk:PiccoloNamek

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Contents 1 Archives 2 Ready to move Chi 3 Built life? 4 Out of universe 5 Balanced Armature 6 Fair use rationale for Image:Kanrinrin-San.jpg 7 For the record

[edit] Archives

Old archives of my User Talk page can be found at:

User talk:PiccoloNamek/Archive 1
User talk:PiccoloNamek/Archive 2
User talk:PiccoloNamek/Archive 3
User talk:PiccoloNamek/Archive 4

[edit] Ready to move Chi

I'm ready to move the Chi page to an actual article. I've cleaned it up, removed a lot of unnecessary/fancrufty information, tweaked some formatting, moved some things around so that it fits on the page better, and changed situations that happened in the anime to those that happened in the manga (such as Shinbo finding Hideki during the "Live Peep" changed to Hideki overhearing Minoru's email). Before I move it, could you give the page one last run-through and let me know/edit it if you see any glaring inconsisticies/errors? I figure that the majority of the references can be added later. MelicansMatkin (talk) 17:29, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Built life?

I found something very interesting that you may also like. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the Uplift Universe, but in it, machines are considered a type of legitimate life form. I was reading an Uplift encyclopedia and came across this little gem:

Somewhat distinct from true "Machine" sapience is "Virtual" sapience. Virtual sapience is not specifically hardware dependent --it is, in fact, a computer program. Of course, the program requires a suitable hardware substrate, and manifestations of a given Virtual form may vary somewhat depending on the supporting hardware platform. However, speaking strictly, the hardware contains no inherent potential for sapience. After manufacture the machine will not learn on its own. Only after certain software program(s) are loaded will any sapient qualities become manifest. Indeed, if the sapient program is completely deleted and scrubbed, the hardware should support another member of the Virtual species equally well. As a rule, Virtual species can survive de-powering of hardware substrates if properly stored, and they can clone (copy) themselves or migrate from one platform to another. Also, provided a sufficiently sophisticated substrate is available, more than one (distinct) virtual sapience can "live" in one hardware substrate.

This is a perfect description of a persocom! This passage has a great deal of relevance to Freya's conversation with Hideki, when she tells him that the Chobits are not truly sentient. To put it in Uplift terms, they do not possess "true" machine sapience, but rather, "virtual" sapience. A persocom, even a Chobit, has no inherent potential for learning or consciousness. Only when they have some kind of operating software installed to any sapient qualities become manifest, as they put it. They can survive the powering down of their hardware (ep. 06 Chii Weakens) they can migrate from system to system (Freya's transfer to Chi) and in the case of a Chobit, two instances of virtual sapience can inhabit the same machine. Very cool.

It goes on to say that true machine sapience is present when the hardware itself is capable of generating consciousness without a separate software program. (A good example of true machine intelligence would be something like Commander Data, I suppose.)PiccoloNamek (talk) 05:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not very familiar with the Uplift Universe, but that is definitely interesting. It really is a fantastic definition for a persocom. Thanks for pointing it out to me, it actually helped me to understand better the mechanics in the Chobits series. MelicansMatkin (talk) 20:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Out of universe

Looking at the article for Chi, I've realized that it is mostly in-universe information. I'm trying to think of ways that (relevant) out-of-universe information could be added to the article. I know that lots of people cosplay as Chi at anime conventions, but the trouble with finding information on Chi's popularity is that links to reliable sources are very thin on the ground. Do you have any ideas on how we can incorporate out-of-universe information into the article? MelicansMatkin (talk) 21:32, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

The kind of out-of-universe information I've always hoped for is stuff like creator interviews and legitimate critical commentary that other people have written. The only problem is that such information is very hard to come by. Talking about stuff cosplay conventions add nothing of value to the article, IMO. Everybody knows that people dress up as Freya and Chii.PiccoloNamek (talk) 22:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I actually found a NY Times interview with CLAMP from a couple of years ago; there isn't much on Chobits, but if more information of this quality could be found a decent section could be written up. Here's the link: CLAMP interview. MelicansMatkin (talk) 23:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I also found some links to reviews of Chobits courtesy of IMDb: there might be some usable information in those. MelicansMatkin (talk) 23:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Balanced Armature

Does it still seem too long? John (talk) 05:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Kanrinrin-San.jpg

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[edit] For the record

Chii is actually a crossover character in Tsubasa Chronicles. I've seen screenshots of it. Many CLAMP characters make cameo appearances in Tsubasa.PiccoloNamek (talk) 16:28, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the confirmation of that; I've reverted my earlier revert so that the information is reinstated. MelicansMatkin (talk) 17:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)