Talk:PickUp 101

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This article was nominated for deletion on February 4, 2007. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Contents 1 Rewrite 2 Removal of Content 3 Does this page have any use? 4 Edit: Added co-founder information

[edit] Rewrite

I have moved the article here from Pickup 101, because the company appears to capitalize the "U" is "PickUp". I also rewrote it, and included citations and quotes from news articles. I removed the clean-up tag because of my rewrite. --SecondSight 00:27, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

What does this article has anything to do with social and folk psychology? Those are branches of a psychology as a scientific discipline. I removed them from the category. 14:11, 7 November 2006 (CUT)

The Seduction community in general employs social psychology (for example, the work of psychologist Robert Cialdini). Seduction tactics themselves are a form of folk psychology, because they are empirical observations of human behavior that aren't quantitative or standardized like scientific psychology. --SecondSight 02:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

This isn't enough to warrant the categories, and is in any case OR (at best this might be seen as the subject of psychology, not as itself psychology). The addition of the categories seems designed to make the organisation loiok like more than it is.

With regard to the recent revert of my changes, please see italicisation rules in the MoS, and check the "see also" links more closely; one is to a redirect, the other to an AfDed article that is very unlikely yo survive. Oh, and "unexplained" means unexplained; the fact that an editor agrees with them doesn't make them explained.

This article seems intended to be an advert for its subject, defended by people involved in the organisation. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 12:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Please be more specific on exactly what aspects of the article you consider to be advertising, so the language can be improved. Until then, I've removed the tag; also, I changed a couple things in the opening paragraph. The article does include positive statements about the company, but notice that these are quotes from articles in published sources. If you can find any negative articles on the company, then you are welcome to add them to the page. It seems to me that the company has simply done a good job of getting good reviews and steering clear of criticism; that doesn't make the article and advertisement. I also re-added the folk psychology and personal development categories, though I left out the social psychology category because the company isn't actually part of that field (the company does use principles for social psychology, but it's original research to say this on the page right now). --SecondSight 07:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of Content

User:BenAveling, I would prefer that you come to the talk page before removing content (and using the talk page first is wikipedia policy, so I don't feel like I should even have to ask this). Please explain your concerns about the page with reference to wikipedia policy. Simply saying "this is an encyclopedia, not myspace" is just a polemical expression of your own opinion and doesn't explain to others exactly what you find objectionable. By removing that content, you make the article less informative and essentially a stub. If the content wasn't sourced, you would be on solid ground in removing it, but it is sourced, so please discuss it on the talk page first. Until you have provided an actual explanation, I am restoring the content. --SecondSight 22:19, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

The article does contain material that's more suitable to a brochure than to an encyclopædia article — even if one thinks that this sleazy little company for sleazy "pick-up artists" is a suitable subject for an encyclopædia. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 12:20, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Does this page have any use?

As far as I can tell, it seems to be just an advert for some website.

62.188.49.209 16:09, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Is the article Microsoft just an advert for some company?! No, of course not. Neither is this an advert for PickUp 101. Mathmo ^Talk 12:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure the two are exactly comparable. Microsoft is is a major company with billions of dollars of turnover that has changed the world in significant ways, and seems likely to do so again. PickUp is a male ettiqute school that has filled one or two column inches on the odd slow news day. A bit of a difference there, even if some people can't see that. Further, the Microsoft article is about the company itself. This page is little more than a list of mentions of the company, if you follow the difference. Regards, Ben Aveling 12:39, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit: Added co-founder information

I added William Beltane (Wilder) as a co-founder of PickUp 101. This is common knowledge in the seduction community and can be verified on any number of their websites. The first two I found when searching Google for Wilder & Sensei Pick-Up 101 are here on Thundercat's SeductionLair.com and here on the Arizona Pick-Up Artist page.

Regarding the value of this page, it resembles a sales brochure a bit too much for my taste, but is nevertheless factual information regarding one of the premier companies in an industry that it helped invent. Exiztential (talk) 09:27, 14 February 2008 (UTC)