Talk:Piccolo trumpet

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[edit] Fourth valve

the only thing i find a little weird is that the trumpet has 4 vaulves instead of 3. My question is it hard to learn to play when you already play the trumpet, ive been playing for four years now but i would like to see the piccolo trumpet and learn to play it but is it harder? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.123.131.2 (talk • contribs)

The fourth valve is mostly for the low notes that would otherwise be out of range.--Dbolton 23:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
The fourth valve is also used for alternate fingerings for intonation and timbre purposes. Overall, learning that fourth valve is no big deal.Eggness 08:23, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

It is quite natural to use the fourth valve when playing a low "f" as you will not be able to play the note otherwise!!!! Regards "Scott LaFata"

Well, 70.123.131.2, I haven't had my piccolo for very long yet. But so far, it has been a delight to learn, having played Bb trumpet for many years. Because of the smaller piping, I find I have to blow much harder in the piccolo to produce sound. Having different leadpipes is incredibly useful. Compared to a Bb trumpet, it is definitely harder to play, but well worth it. The fingerings are no problem at all. On a Bb trumpet, the chromatic scale from F# below middle C to high C, is identical to the piccolo's F# below high C to double high C fingering. (Above that is a matter of chops, not fingering.) Going down from F# is a matter of goofing around for a few minutes to figure out which ones work. I haven't figured out how to play middle C in tune yet, on the piccolo. There seems to be a complete octave of "pedal tones" below that (no semi tones?) that sound really awful in terms of tonal quality. Should this page have a range chart similar to the one over on Trumpet? A piccolo fingering chart (like the one on Trumpet might help, too.) --Connel MacKenzie - wikt 04:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hardenberger range

From main article: "A popular term to emerge among trumpet players is "Hardenberger Range". It generally refers to anything above a C on piccolo trumpet."

The phrase "Hardenberger Range", is not a widely used term amongst trumpet players, due to a recent poll results indicate that 90% have never even heard of the phrase used in this way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hardenberger (talk • contribs)

Hardenberger Range?!? Are you sure that the number of people who haven't heard of that term isn't closer to 100%? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.160.64.16 (talk • contribs)
I removed the statement from the main article. Any further discussion can take place on the discussion page (this page).--Dbolton 20:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to assume that's supposed to say Brandenburg. In either case the term has never crossed my ears, or eyes. Eggness 08:24, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

Shouldn't this article have some references other than another Wikipedia article? Otherwise, this is just an extra page with the same information as the main trumpet page. Daduke104 (talk) 03:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)Daduke104

Correct. Indeed, some people thought the existence of this article was pointless and it should just remain part of trumpet but they were out-somethinged. :) Nomorenonotnever (talk) 22:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] external links

The Maurice Andre site has some nice pics and video, but is very badly written (indecipherable grammar, gushing fandom). The other site listed is basically advice on shopping for piccolo trumpets. They both have some redeeming value, but there are WP:NOT issues here. - Special-T (talk) 13:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I quite like the Gearhead page, feeling that it is more of a general survey of a wide range of instruments - that is, not just a buyer's guide but a load of useful extra info on the topic and still worth linking to. I think I am more with you on the Andre page. Nomorenonotnever (talk) 21:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I still think the Andre site is not that useful, but that and the geocities site that was removed (also questionable) have been re-inserted and I don't care to get involved in an edit war. - Special-T (talk) 12:05, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I am in favor of removing the sites as well. If there is no opposition I will remove the links in a week.--Dbolton (talk) 00:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

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Who never heard about Maurice ANDRE can be forgiven. But who knows him cannot ignore the fact he's the father of the modern piccolo trumpet (as written in his website). If not Maurice ANDRE, who else ? David Mason ? By the way, european people have another vision of History. We do not consider Penny Lane (and the genius David Mason) as a reference in the history of piccolo trumpet repertoire. Viviani, Loeillet, Bach or Telemann are, to our mind, more important than Mr Paul McCartney (who is obviously also a genius). Therefore, it is very difficult - if not impossible - to understand each other. This is a problem of historical references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.238.125.74 (talk) 18:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

No, this is a problem of WP:NPOV and the quality of writing on that website. Just like it says above. No one has said anything disputing Andre's status - you've inserted that into this discussion. He is mentioned in the article on a very short, elite list of important/famous picc players, and there's a link to his article. - Special-T (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)