Talk:Piano Concerto No. 1 (Brahms)

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Contents 1 Schumann's death 2 Bidini vs. Ashkenazy links:explaining why I put the Bidini back in 3 Too much analysis? 4 Re: Notable Interpretations

[edit] Schumann's death

"Brahms finished the concerto on the third-year anniversary of the death of Clara Schumann, who he was said to be madly in love with."

How could it be possible if Clara died in 1896, and Brahms in 1897? --Leonardo T. de Oliveira 00:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Its supposed to be Robert Schumann's death. I inserted a Robert in there to make it a bit more clear (though the whole section could use a rewrite). I'm not quite sure its true though. Robert Schumann died in July 1856 and the concerto premiered in January 1859. DavidRF 03:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bidini vs. Ashkenazy links:explaining why I put the Bidini back in

I linked to Bidini's performance because it was legal to do so (or most likely so -the pianist links to it from his own site). The Ashkenazy one now linked to is almost certainly not, and most likely has been illegally uploaded to Youtube; and

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Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a (page on a) site that violates copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in the United States (Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse Ministry) (from Wikipedia:Copyrights.) )

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So while the latter performance is better, we may not use it, and the change needs to be reverted. Schissel | Sound the Note! 02:19, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Anything that's not conducted my Giulini. :P I'm fine with the revert. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  05:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Too much analysis?

The amount of time and effort spent in analyzing this concerto is commendable. But it seems the majority of people who will read this article may either be those who are new to this piece of music or to classical music in general. They may not be musicians or schooled in the technical aspects of classical music to any substantial degree. Either way, will they want to read the analytical detail currently in the article? It would seem better to briefly encapsulate each movement. Jonyungk (talk) 03:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Notable Interpretations

I'm hardly an expert on this or any other classical music piece, but might it be fair to say that Glenn Gould's April 6, 1962 interpretation (with Leonard Bernstein conducting) was "notable"? After all, Maestro Bernstein saw fit to deliver preliminary remarks to that effect: "You're about to hear a rather -- shall we say -- unorthodox performance of the Brahms D-Minor Concerto. A performance distinctly different from any I've ever heard -- or even dreamt of, for that matter -- in its remarkably broad tempi and its frequent departures from Brahms' dynamic indications." Not being an expert, I won't take it upon myself to amend the article. But if anyone agrees with my instinct, please feel free to add Mr. Gould's name to the "Notable Interpretations" section (with Maestro Bernstein as conductor and the New York Philharmonic as players).

(I also thought Leon Fleisher and George Szell performed this masterfully, but whether their interpretation qualifies as "notable" seems far less clear than the question of Mr. Gould's.) --Rckent (talk) 10:21, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Since we're mentioning Gould, I added the Gould/Adler/Baltimore SO performance dating after his NYPO appearance with Bernstein. The tempos are faster adn the piece holds together better as a result, but it is as notable a performance interpretively as the one with Bernstein. BTW, I noticed Zimerman/Rattle on the list, which was a surprise—everything I'd read indicated it was pretty terrible. Comments? Jonyungk (talk) 18:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

A performance can be terrible and still be notable. Only remember the premiere of a symphony that we know only too well because of that fact? ;) If I could find a reference to back it up I would put Bronfman/Thomas/SFSO (May 15–18, 2008)—brilliant performance; I was there and loved it.

Anyway…I will see if I can find Fleisher/Szell and if it is notable. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  23:11 29 May 2008 (UTC)