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This page contains a chapter written on Phoenix park which was written in 1907

http://indigo.ie/~kfinlay/Chart/chartlist.htm

Can some of the article be paraphrased into wikipedia? Has the copyright expired?

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[edit] Sutton Park mention

Regarding Sutton Park: What has this got to do with the Phoenix Park? Absolutely nothing! Please leave it out. There is no mention in the article of the Phoenix Park claiming to be the largest city park in Europe or the World, frankly, who cares? The article is about the Phoenix Park, stick to the topic.

Phoenix Park is often popularly claimed to be the largest city park in Europe/the world (I've heard this "fact" multiple times in school), therefore a mention of why this is incorrect is very relevant to the article. Demiurge 16:29, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Sutton Park is a suburban park, and may well be larger than the Phoenix Park, but the Phoenix Park is a city park. It is about 200m from a main central mainline Railway Station, and 300m from the Guinness Brewery, and the gates just metres from the city's River Liffey. Sutton Park is 10km north of Birmingham, more of a semi-rural suburban nature reserve. Not comparable at all to Phoenix Park. Phoenix Park can only be compared to the likes of Central Park in New York. Anyway, there is no mention of it being the largest park, so why mention some obscure park in some suburban English area? Completely irrelevant. Stick to the subject: Phoenix Park, Dublin, not a park in England, it's a truly bizarre mention for an encyclopedia.

The article should include all the relevant facts about Phoenix Park. One of those facts is that Phoenix Park is widely claimed ([1] [2] [3] [4]) to be the largest enclosed city park in Europe/the world, when in fact it isn't. Very simple, and not bizarre in the slightest. If you want to qualify this by pointing out that Sutton Park is further out from the city centre, go ahead. But please don't remove relevant information from the article. Demiurge 18:35, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I feel like this small bit of information should remain; however, maybe it would better fit in its own section if the article was expanded at a later time. I study here in Dublin and have heard this 'fact' several times, so if it is something people believe to be true, the correct fact should be stated here. Feel free to discuss. Toofishes 23:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Apologies

POTW has a long history of trying to force consensus upon others, as evidenced at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Pigsonthewing and Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pigsonthewing. He had recently been trolling me again after a period of relative calm, so I decided to go see what he was up to and went with a "better safe than sorry" approach when I saw reverts by him. I've reverted to Demiurge's original edit, sorry for the inconvenience. karmafist 23:18, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

The above is a lie and a personal attack, contrary to Wikipedia policy, and should be removed by a neutral third party, ASAP (please feel free to remove this at the same time). Andy Mabbett 15:17, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Phoenix Park or The Phoenix Park Bogger 15:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The OPW runs the park and it is Phoenix Park - see here ww2censor 21:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
On that page the first line of the introduction: "A lively and entertaining exhibition on the history and the wildlife of the Phoenix Park" the same way the wiki article entitled Statue of liberty refers to "the Statue of Liberty"
as much proof as i need at this stageBogger (talk) 12:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Stephen's Green, Howth head, no def. art.
Phoenix pk, 40 foot, def. art.
I'm talking bout the name throughout the wiki article, not the name which sholud not have a determiner.Bogger 14:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Again should the article refer to "the Phoenix Park" or "Phoenix Park"?? I believe it is "the Phoenix Park"130.104.77.14 (talk) 11:47, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Wrong. Do not assume that because a definte article is placed in front of the name at the beginning of a sentence means that is the name, that is correct grammatical use of the definite article. At the top of this page under "you are here" it shows the title Dublin > Phoenix Park. This page does not use a the anywhere and whenever you see it mentioned in the text of a sentence, the definite article is always lowercase, not uppercase, indicating grammatically that quite clearly the name is "Phoenix Park". Cheers ww2censor (talk) 14:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Largest Park

Richmond Park is bigger in area than the Phoenix Park, 955 v. 712. Richmond Park may not be urban in the strict sense of the world but it is surrounded by London city, it maybe suburban technically. It is enclosed, it is surrounded by a wall, "The Park contains notable buildings, ten of which, plus the whole wall of the park, are listed buildings". This surely merits a reference. Snappy56 (talk) 07:11, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I think you are correct upon reflection. My angle is that Phoenix Park is smaller than lots of things; Wicklow National Park for instance; the Bull Island etc - but I accept your point that Richmond is closer in the likely comparison a reader would have in mind. Sarah777 (talk) 07:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for agreeing. Also would the anon editor from NUI, Maynooth, please stop deleting this reference. Snappy56 (talk) 23:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
You know one another?? How the heck do you know he/she/it is from NUI Maynooth?!! Sarah777 (talk) 23:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I know everything!! Well actually, I know by clicking here: [5]
Brilliant, Mr Holmes! Sarah777 (talk) 23:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Fuck it all then: According to britannica, a reliable source, Phoenix park is the largest enclosed urban public park in europe. The fact that richmond park is bigger is irrelevant. It is not urban, it is suburban. It is not a public park, it is a royal park to which the public have access. As such, there is no reason to include that information on the page. Adding that reference would be akin to adding a reference to Elephant Seals to the Capybara page. The capybara article specifies that they are the largest living rodent. One could well add the addendum "but elephant seals are bigger", but that is completely and utterly irrelevant- As is the reference to richmond park. Furthermore, "Richmond Park in London, England is larger in area at 955 hectares (2,360 acres)." is not a reference, it is merely a statement made by the editor. 89.100.88.180 (talk) 20:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

It is not an invalid comparison, they are both large parks in cities, urban/suburban and royal/public is mere pedantry. It is also not original research, the figure is clearly stated on the Richmond Park website and so it is a published fact not OR. The main reason that this footnote (for that is what it is) is to stop new editors changing the opening sentence of this article, should they know that Richmond is bigger. The footnote is there to say that yes, Richmond Park is bigger so don't change the intro sentence which happened numerous times in the past. I have amended the footnote to state that Richmond is a royal suburban park. Anyway, it's not like either of these parks is the biggest in the world. Snappy56 (talk) 04:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)