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[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

Hello, Phips, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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[edit] Project translation

Thank you for joining the Scouting Project. I took the liberty of adding you here Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting/Members#Translators. Hope that's okay.Rlevse 13:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article title

Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting/Article_names. You either need to rename the article to its official translation or add the most common translation to the current article in the first line. I'd expect this is "South Tyrol Scout Association". While it is a Catholic group, the word Catholic isn't in the name. Either way, redirects need to be made. Let me know if you need help.Rlevse 16:53, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

As most European organizations the SP does not translate its name. The best handmade translation is South Tyrolean Scout Association. This is now a redirect. --jergen 18:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
OK, thanks. But that's pretty exact, about the only other obvious way would be Tyrol vs Tyrolean. Rlevse 19:09, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Austrian Scouting

Thanks for your great additions and finds! Also on our wishlist are Marie Antoinette Hofmann and Charlotte Teuber-Weckersdorf, can you help? Gut Pfad! Chris 15:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DP-Scouts

Thank you! I have added to it, although in a couple of different places I was unsure where you were headed, so I hope my additions are okay. I am also going to let other interested editors know. Gut Pfad, Chris 02:15, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

In the 7th World Jamboree in 1951 Scouts-in-Exile and DP-Scouts from Hungary, Latvia and Lithuania participated as part of the German contingent.[10] Also Russian Scouts-in-Exile took part in the 7th World Jamboree.[11]...were the Russians a separate group or should these sentences be combined somehow?Rlevse 18:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

The Russians were a seperate group.-Phips 18:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, so they were not part of the group that was with the German contingent?Rlevse 18:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

The are not mentoined as part of the German Contingent in Unser Ziel-Monatsschrift für Pfadfinderführer, September 1951.-Phips 18:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

That would be something like "Our (something)-Monthly Newsletter for Scout Leaders? Rlevse 18:27, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

That was the Magazine for Scoutleaders of Pfadfinder Österreich.-Phips 18:28, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I am really pleased with how this is growing, I hope you are too! Chris 23:40, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

This ref only goes to the home page, do you recall where the Japanese ref is on the site: "Rover Crews also existed in Japanese POW-Camps.[10]" Rlevse 02:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Nice to see you back! I thought you had left!Chris 18:16, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
The Rosetta Barnstar
For opening up worldwide Scouting and the cultures of others to the English language Wikipedia, where many would miss out except for your contributions! Chris 06:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On November 7, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Scouting in displaced persons camps, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

WEll done Phips. A very comprehensive article. No doubt hours and probably tens of hours went into that. Well done, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting memorials

Can you go back and add some geographic coordinates to your additions? Thank you. --evrik (talk) 21:10, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I don´t know the geographic coordinates, but I added the references and linked the villages and cities.-Phips 23:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Can you take some time with some maps? Most of the U.S. ones have locations. --evrik (talk) 02:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Most of the coordinates are in the linked articels of the city, villages and locations (KZ Mauthausen), and I don´t know more exact coordinates because the informations are taken from different Scouting magazines.-Phips 13:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merges

Looking at Tannu Lodge 346, after you made the merge, you forgot to add the scouting specific template, and then didn't reset the talk page. Just an FYI. --evrik (talk) 16:16, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] your information

Hello Phips, I noticed your discussions at Talk:Südtiroler Pfadfinderschaft. I feel you have some information correct. If you are interested to discuss/debate, I'm open for that. Icsunonove (talk) 03:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello Icsunonove, to be active member of one project on Wikipedia is enough. I have informations on several more topics. I know several people from South Tyrol and the Austrian part of the Tyrol (but there is only one Tyrol (Geistige Landeseinheit (official position of the regional goverments of the Tyrol)), read some books, get the news from Tyrol (North-, South-, East and Welschtirol) on TV, radio, the internet and in the daily and weekly newspapers. I have been many times in South Tyrol and will go there many times again. But it´s better to put my time not to much in Wikipedia and more in our people, community, traditions or just go for a beer with some friends.-Phips (talk) 00:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Your last sentence is very perfect. I made the page for Forst afterall. :-) So you ancestors are from this region as well? Anyway, I'd like to discuss the area just in general, even for my own education. My family is from Trentino, i.e. Welschtirol, and in my opinion, the true Southern Tyrol. :P Icsunonove (talk) 19:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Well done the Forst article. I live in Tyrol and a part of my ancestors were Tyroleans, too. The name South Tyrol was introduced in the end of the 19th century for the parts of Tyrol south of the Brenner. But also Welschtirol had the name Southtyrol. The name East Tyrol (for Lienz, Lavant, Dölsach...) became common after WWI, because East Tyrol was really isolated after Südtirol get occupied by Italy (until 1972 it can be named occupation, espacially in 2007 in the jubilee year of Sigmundskron 1957 "Los von Rom" on this demonstration took 35.000 South Tyroleans part). That´s also why East Tyrol became part of the Gau Kärnten after 1938 and was after 1945 for some years occupied by the British like Carinthia. Still today there are parties and not few people who want a united Tirol ("Ein Tirol von Kufstein bis Salurn"). That South Tyrol became Italian was a big topic for the Tyroleans, there were demonstrations, clubs and association to support the brothers across the border, it is an important topic in Tyrolean Folk songs, there are special scholarship for students from South Tyrol studying in Austria, on the 11.11.2007 was a mass of the Schützen on the Brenner Pass to remember the separation of Tyrol, in 2009 a stamp will be issued "Ein Tirol von Kufstein bis Salurn",in Bozen and Meran there are still problems between German and Italian speaking, there are still memorials with the texts such we brought the barbarians culture.... There are two good videos on youtube showing some of the problems: Südtirol Rassismus and Südtirol - Faschistenfeier. The situation was similar to Hungary after WWI and to the Sudetenland. The separation was like if Canada would annex parts of Montana. And one big point is that the counts of Tyrol came from Dorf Tirol and Schloss Tirol and Andreas Hofer (National Hero of Tyrol) was origin from the Passeirtal. All this location was now in Italy also the bishop was in Italy now (the bishop was in Brixen for the Austrian parts (in except the parts which are under the archbishop of Salzburg (i.e.parts of the Zillertal). The diocese of Innsbruck was established in 1964.-Phips (talk) 22:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Took me a while to get back to this Phips, sorry about that. I'm very well aware of the history of the old county of Tyrol. I think you have bought into too much of the politics though with some of your statements. I'm welcome to discuss further. I tried a bit to update the article so it is factually correct and also has the proper links to the modern-day Italian province. Icsunonove (talk) 23:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
supparluca emptied and redirected Category:South Tyrol despite consensus at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 November 28#Category:South Tyrol to leave it alone. Chris (talk) 05:56, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I know and I am not really happy about this. I also voted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 November 28#Category:South Tyrol. This is also bad because South Tyrol is a sub-category of Tyrol. And Tyrol (Tirol (Federal state of Austria),South Tyrol and the Trentino is still one historical and cultural region > see for example http://www.1809-2009.eu/ But it is also an important fact that this region has and always had 3 languages Italian, Ladin and German. -Phips (talk) 15:04, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, though the original language of Trentino-Alto Adige was in fact Ladin, which is the local Italic language (like Sicilian in Sicily, etc.). But that is simply being historical correct. All three languages are very nice. By the way, my family is from Trentino where we speak a variation of Ladin, definitely spoken before Standard Italian or German entered the region. Icsunonove (talk) 23:14, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Ladin is not the language of the Rhaetics. Ladin is a romanic language. The main influence on Ladin had Vulgar Latin, but there are some elements from the language of the Rhaetics. See i.e. Rhaeto-Romance languages. In the early Middle Ages Bavarii and the Langobards came to Tyrol (North and South). And German became the main language and Ladin was only spoken in small valleys (i.e.Gadertal/Val Badia, Grödnertal/Gherdëina) anymore. So Ladin is really older than German in the region, but not so old as some would like it. And Ladin is not Italian and no Italian dialect! In South Tyrol Ladin and German are the original languages spoken since the Middle Ages (and Ladin even longer). In Trentino Italian, Ladin (Fassatal/Fascia/Val di Fassa) and German (Cimbrian language). In the Austrian part of Tyrol Rhaeto-Romance languages were also spoken in the Middle Ages (early time). The parts of the Europaregion Tirol (Tyrol (Austria), South Tyrol, Trentino) have a common history since the Antiquity. By the way most soldiers from Trentino (also the Italian speaking) (and of course from the other parts of todays Europaregion, too) fought until the end of World War I for Austria-Hungary. And today is in Trentino also a feeling that they belong to a bigger historical and cultural region. So there is an active and growing Schützenwesen, i.e.-Phips (talk) 20:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Ladin is not Standard Italian, and it is not a dialect of Italian, but it is a Romance/Italic language, i.e., a language of Italy. Italian came to Trentino late, of course, because it is the national language of Italy that was only spread in the last couple centuries. I beg to differ, Ladin is the language of Trentino and Alto Adige, that predates both Italian and German by centuries. My relatives from Val di Non still all speak mostly Nones (a Ladin dialect). This language goes back a thousand years easily, and various forms of Latin before that. Also, what is different from Ladin in Trentino-Alto Adige, than Sicilian in Sicily, Venetian in Venice, etc.? They are all the off-shoots of Latin, and the Italian languages of those regions. Sure, Trentino has a cultural connection even with Austria, Tyrol, etc., but the connection isn't only one direction, it is with also with Italy at the same time. What bugs me is I hear people speak about "Italians". One Ladin guy on here said his grandparents would roll in their grave if I said they were Italians. But I asked him, and I ask you, who in fact are the "Italians"? Which languages are and are not Italian? There is a language referred to as Italian which is Standard Italian, and a dialect of Tuscan. But that is merely the national language of the peninsula.. just like Mandarin is the national language of the PRC. Anyway, it is a very interesting discussion, maybe easier through e-mail sometime. I can easily enjoy both sides of the Italic and Germanic culture, but I refuse to buy into people who try to say it is 100% this or that. As for fighting. It is interesting that civilians usually fight for whoever is their King and pulls the strings. I really don't know how many "Italian-speaking" soldiers there were in Austria-Hungary times, seriously. At that time Welsch referred to the Ladin speakers. It was merely Romance language speakers. Icsunonove (talk) 22:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Of course was there always influence and links to Italy (or what later became Italy). There were many Italian speaking soldiers from the Austrian Littoral (Trieste) and from Trentino. Italian speakers also fought as Kaiserjäger. There were also many Ladin speaking soldiers from Trentino and South Tyrol. But there were only very few Italian speaking before 1918 in Bozen/Bolzano, Meran/Merano, Sterzing/Vipiteno (similar to Italian speaking in Innsbruck). I worked with Grundbuchblättern of the k.u.k. Armee from Trentino and South Tyrol. Among the soldiers from South Tyrol I found one Italian speaking (speaks, writes and understand) from Bozen/Bolzano. In Trentino (especially around the Lago di Garda/Gardasee) I found a lot Italian speaking soldiers. Among the Ladin speaking soldiers I found many which understand Italian, but only a few were able to write Italian, more were able to speak Italian. But all Ladin soldiers were able to speak and most to write German. Friends and I worked on the history of Scouting in Trient/Trento. There was a really nice and not small Scout group of the Österreichischer Pfadfinderbund from 1916 to 1918 and they were really pro-Habsburg. In the Austrian Littoral (especially in Trieste) there were big Sea Scout groups and they were also pro-Habsburg. Of course was there Irredentism in Trentino and in the Austrian Littoral. The question, which I can not answer today, is which element was stronger pro-Habsburg or Irredentism? So you see I am reading many books about Austria-Hungary and Austrian history. And sometimes I also work with documents from several archives. I am very interested in the History of the Europaregion Tirol. - Phips (talk) 13:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting barnstar

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-for excellent support of Scouting articles, especially all his superb work on Scouting in displaced persons camps. — Rlevse • Talk • 17:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting WikiProject in the Signpost

We'll be in the Signpost on Wednesday, 2 Jan about 17:00 UTC, someone noticed us, be sure to read it, many of us get it, read it on my talk page if you like. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK request

List that new article for DYK. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Done.-Phips (talk) 11:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 9 January 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sturmtrupp-Pfadfinder, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 22:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Returning

After much thought and deliberation I have decided to return. Many wikians contacted me by various means and I truly appreciate the support from all of them. Man, did I need that wiki break! I have learned from it and will use the experience to improve. — Rlevse • Talk • 19:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

That´s good news.Welcome back.-Phips (talk) 17:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Austria Invitation

Hello, Phips! I'd like to call your attention to the WikiProject Austria and the German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board. I hope their links, sub-projects and discussions are interesting and even helpful to you. If not, I hope that new ones will be.

--Zeitgespenst (talk) 00:54, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I joined WikiProject Austria-Phips (talk) 17:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 :-) --Zeitgespenst (talk) 19:35, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New information on Imam al-Mahdi Scouts

Would you chime in at the talkpage? A user is accusing us of not enough POV, we've worked very hard to keep it neutral. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 20:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks I left my statement there.-Phips (talk) 20:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I wish the photos were clearer. I wonder if we can find a fair-use way to use them. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 23:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
The photos show once more the conection of this Scout association and Hezbollah and its doctrine. I thought it is interesting for you, because you contributed to the article and the talkpage.- Yours in Scouting Phips (talk) 23:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Boy Scouts of the United Nations

Thank you so much for your help on this! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 19:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. Yours in Scouting-Phips (talk) 19:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
What about "Also directly registered to the World Bureau were the 84 Scouts of the European Coal and Steel Community, an early precursor to the European Union." Anything in your patrol book on them? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 20:29, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry I found nothing about them in the book. But I hope I helped with Boy Scouts of the United Nations and International Boy Scouts of the Canal Zone.-Phips (talk) 20:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
International Boy Scouts of the Canal Zone completed, with thanks! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] German photos, law...

please check out http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=101635 . A photograph exists of Baldur von Schirach together with Futara Yoshinori as spectators at fight games of the Hitlerjugend in Bremen, taken August 15, 1937. It says something really small at the side. Can you help get an image that is _not_ marked on? Thanks Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 09:42, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

This is not a free picture and you need to pay for the license to use it. It is owned by Ullsteinbild [1] and they also have the Bildrechte.-Yours in Scouting-Phips (talk) 16:22, 17 February 2008 (UTC)