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Dan Rasmussen edits

I'm an Iowa-moderate college educated Catholic who has a hard time with someone who uses Wiki for supposed conservative control for political purposes. So I will be checking your other Iowa delegation pages and change information as required. Fortunately, Wiki has a history of changes and the truth will prevail.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.126.31.51 (talk • contribs)

Please do check my edits. You'll find that I carefully follow NPOV. Additionally, when posting links, please ensure that they actually link to something - several of the links you've added were dead. --Tim4christ17 ^talk 18:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I have added the right working link to the Rasmussen Watch Page. If we want to talk about NPOV I could point out that the Watch Page provides information with the writer's point of view. But information is accurate, just organized for easier access. It's up to the reader to determine fact from fiction. --Chrisjesup 28 March 2007

Thanks for the link. However, I removed it because its use would violate Wikipedia's policy on Attribution, which we must follow especially strictly since this article is a biography of a living person. If you wish that information to be in the article, feel free to add it, just make sure that your source is reliable. --Tim4christ17 ^talk 19:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I would also note that I have no feelings one way or another with regards to Mr. Rasmussen - I've never met him and know virtually nothing about him beyond what's shown on the page I started about him. In fact, that's the precise reason I started the pages on Iowa legislators - people often don't know much about them. I strongly encourage the expansion of this and other pages, but would remind you that we must follow Wikipedia's policies while doing so. --Tim4christ17 ^talk 19:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I appreciate your candor on this issue. I do know adding this web link in the EXTERNAL LINKS area doesn't truly violate the policy. It is not a source to your article and that it has information that is in an easier format for people to find actual information such as campaign contributions, voting record on some bills, etc. Most people can't do the research because of time and this page provides easy access to some research information. Too actually add the information on that website would take up too much space here. Maybe a partial disclaimer on the link would work as Wiki's reference states that personal websites are hard to define for external links. --Chrisjesup 29 March 2007

Meaning no offense, but information on how someone voted on just four bills is not enough to justify the link. Likewise, there are verifiable sites dedicated to campaign contributions including (If I remember correctly) some government sites. You might consider the site that your link got its information from, for example. Remember, even if he is merely summarizing information from elsewhere, the verifiability issues and the obvious NPOV issues would make this link extremely hard to justify even on a normal Wikipedia page - and the fact that we have to follow an extra-strict version of those policies due to WP:BLP makes it so that I can't see any justification for posting it. Consider, for example, President Bush's page. His page, which is probably one of the best politician pages available (due to plenty of people who support and who oppose Bush) only has four external links - and three of them are the equivalents of the two that already exist on Mr. Rasmussen's page. If you think the information stated in that page is so important, create a "significant votes" section or a "campaign financing" section within the Wikipedia article - this will satisfy verifiability (if you cite each of your claims properly) and NPOV (if you present the information in a neutral manner). --Tim4christ17 ^talk 07:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

<ref>

I just copy/pasted info from Stat Quo's (i think that was the page) page. That's what was used there.

Oh and for some reason Ca$his's page doesn't exist anymore... :'( —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheCoffinRobber (talk • contribs)

Thanks!

Thanks for the gift! Have a great day. Bigcurrens 15:34, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

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Iowa United States Senate election, 2008

Hello! As a fellow Republican, I think we have common goals. Improve Wikipedia, and spread the Republican agenda. I do disagree however, on what you did on the page I listed above.

You removed my comment on a senior political person's opioion on the race. The person's name is on the 1st part of the page, where you hit main.

I will wait for your response, but if I put the name of said person, can I re-put it?

Politics rule 17:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

A comment following the general format of "So-and-so, and whatever his notability is, said whatever he said" would be appropriate, provided a link to his comment is provided, and provided the person's statement is notably relevant to the article. As you edit, please remember WP:V, particularly when editing potentially controversial articles like this.

Also, please don't take this wrong, but your above comment suggests that you may be confused, the goal of Wikipedia has nothing to do with "spreading the Republican agenda" (remember WP:NPOV). I would respectfully suggest that if you wish to promote a Republican agenda, you may be more at home at Conservapedia or a similar wiki. --Tim4christ17 ^talk 16:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

images from .gov docs not ok?

I listed the url on the ecomb page: http://www.miamidade.gov/mppa/library/pdf_project_files/2006/report_master_sept14.pdf

miamidade.gov not ok? —The preceding comment is by Ecombmiami (talk • contribs) 21:32, 13 June 2007: Please sign your posts!

I've replied on your talk page (User talk:Ecombmiami) --Tim4christ17 ^talk 02:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Mark Smith

I've add some details to you page on Rep. Mark Smith. I happen to be a relative, so you can be assured that the facts are correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.205.192.230 (talk • contribs)

I replied on your talk page (User talk:12.205.192.230). --Tim4christ17 ^talk 15:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm his daughter. Doesn't that count as a primary source? Otherwise, [[1]]. That's his bio on the website, which I wrote.

If you're getting it from personal information, it's called original research, which is not allowed on Wikipedia, sorry. Getting it from a "trusted" website is okay. If this is Representative Smith's website, as it appears to be, than it is acceptable. (Self published material may only be used in Biographies of living persons when published by the subject). Hope that answers your questions. I also posted this message at your talk page --Tim4christ17 ^talk 17:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

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Template trouble

I saw you seem to know quite about making templates...so I was wondering if you know whether it's possible to make a template apply a category only when the template is being used in the User: namespace? Thanks. --User:Tim4christ17 talk 15:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC-5)

Sorry I did not see your question sooner. I have been having problems finding time for Wikis as I have been working (offline) with a program called Google Sketchup. With it, I can create models of homes that you see in This Old House.

As for your question, you need the code shown below.

{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|User|True|False}}

Will (Talk - contribs) 02:22, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Iowa

Finally, someone still interested in the project. I'm currently trying to make the project's pages more useful so that more people could possibly join the project. I'll be focusing on the Government workgroup for a while then moving onto the (not yet established) Communities workgroup. These two groups would cover a majority of Iowa articles. If you'd like to help me in this we could discuss it here or in irc chat? Thanks, and I've put your talk page on my watchlist. Psych less 00:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmm...didn't see this here - I just put a comment on your talk page. And of course I'm still interested - most of the people on the list there are. It's just that there's been nothing to talk about in the Project talk page for a while. --Tim4christ17 ^talk 00:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't see your edit, I just thought I was conflicting with my own edit which sometimes happens. You're free to restore it. And yes, the government workgroup will be updated by the WP1.0 bot. And why I added the tables that had to be manually updated is so that if a person wanted to say, see which articles on Iowa representatives needed work on the most they could easily do so. It's basically putting them in a more specific workgroup. I believe this is a good idea as it helps people find articles they'd be interested in improving. I'll take the responsibility of updating the tables, which will actually be fairly easy with the various logs the bot generates. If you'd be interested in helping me with the tables I do need help on the different sections of Iowa government. I know we would need sections on the Iowa Senate, and the Iowa House of Representatives, and for the governors, but what else? Hope this helped clarify things. Psych less 00:42, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Gotcha. Now that table sounds like a good idea. I'm wondering if an existing bot can be tasked to populate the table automatically, though? (For those who don't wish to comment on the page - this sounds easier than doing it yourself.) As for the Iowa House and Senate, I'm working on those - as you may have noticed from my user page, they are my primary focus presently - once I'm done with some maintanence to the articles of individual legislators, I'll work on improving/cleaning up the articles for the General Assembly, House, and Senate. Also, as you may also have noticed, I have experience creating templates (though I haven't gotten the "#if" stuff down yet) - if you have any ideas for further templates. As far as updating templates with the "|government" parameter, I can use AutoWikiBrower for that - going through relevant categories. --Tim4christ17 ^talk 00:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I suppose it could be done by a bot, but not easily. If you can find someone who'd like to do it then it's fine by me. I'm currently trying to manage the WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive. The thing just seems to devour up time, with all the issues constantly arising from it. Now we have two people who are against the mass assessing of articles, thinking that because we're doing it fast, our assessment's will be inaccurate. As expected they have no examples of this. Do you know anything about the Iowa Judicial Branch? Isn't there some other offices like Secretary of State, or Attorney General? I'll try to work on creating a list of Iowa senators and a list of members of the Iowa House of Representatives next. Psych less 01:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

If you read the Iowa article, it has a list of state-wide elected officials in Iowa. Additionally, an article as a list of Iowa Senators or Iowa Representatives would not be helpful - and has already been rejected at AfD. It's be much more useful to simply work on the Iowa Senate and Iowa House articles - which I will be doing shortly (feel free to join in the effort, though). --Tim4christ17 ^talk 01:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Could you provide a link to the afd discussion? Or why was it rejected? Do people not consider every Iowa Senator or Representative notable? Psych less 01:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Not at all - the reason was that the list was redundant with the templates which show the members of the Iowa Senate and Iowa House. An article listing all of the members (past and present) would be a good idea, but would take forever to work out even the names to go on such a list. A link to the AfD discussion is here. --Tim4christ17 ^talk 01:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

(outdent, I'm not typing that many colons :)) We were both misunderstanding each other then, my idea was to create a list of all of them, and I don't mind the amount of time it will take, someone has to do it. If we don't even know the names of the senators and representatives we can't work towards creating articles on them. Psych less 02:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

True... --Tim4christ17 ^talk 04:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

While trying to create a new workgroup hierarchy for WikiProject Biography, I thought of how a bot could update those tables for us. We could have a |section= parameter in the template. For example, I'm tagging the article Iowa Democratic Party with the template. I would fill in the |section= parameter with: Offices, districts, and miscellaneous. We would have a bot go through articles in the workgroup and parse the page for it. Then the bot would update it's entry in the table if necessary. Does this sound like a good idea? Psych less 00:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I must confess to some mild confusion here - why can't the bot just detect the |government=yes parameter? Alternatively, why can't the bot simply parse the categories the parameter creates? Perhaps my confusion is due to the fact that I don't really know how bots operate, but it seems that that would be simpler. --Tim4christ17 ^talk 07:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

The section parameter would be for updating the tables in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Iowa/Government section. The bot would be to update those tables. We need the section parameter to tell the bot which table to put it in. Psych less 14:39, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

If you understand how this works and agree that it would be a good idea then I will request a bot for this task at WP:BOTREQ.

Go ahead. I'm still not entirely clear...but you seem to know what you're doing :-D Tim4christ17 ^talk 19:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I think I'm ready to start working on this again. Here's how it will work... Each section will have a code:

Offices, districts, and miscellaneous – odm
House of Representatives – hor
United States Senate – uss
General articles – ga
Governor – g
Secretary of State – sos
Lieutenant Governor – lg
Attorney General – ag
Supreme Court – sc
Speakers of the House – soth
Auditors of State – aos
Treasurers of State – tos
Iowa Senate – is
Iowa House of Representatives – ihor
Misc. Offices – mo

Now, let's say you're assessing an article on a member of the Iowa Senate. Let's say it's Start class and Mid importance. You would put this on the talk page: {{Project Iowa |class=Start |importance=Mid |government=yes |section=is}}

A bot would go through all the articles tagged with {{Project Iowa}} and that have the parameter |government= set to yes. The bot would see what's in the section parameter for each article. If it's is then the bot would add an entry to the Iowa Senate table on the article. It would also update the tables as necessary. Does this make any more sense? Psych less 22:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Now that I think of it, my proposal would create entirely too much work. I think the best thing to do would probably be just work on the articles instead of trying to organize them. Psych less 16:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps that would be a good idea. --Tim4christ17 ^talk 10:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC) Aargh, I'm doing it again - I've been on Wikibreak for two days and I'm still editing anyway. --Tim4christ17 ^talk 10:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Your Comments on My Page

Hey Tim -

In response to your comments at Talk:Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy, I have a couple things to say:

1. My understanding (and I'm an amateur in this area, so I might be wrong) is that the term "Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy" does refer mainly to the controversy within the Presbyterian Church in the USA. I think that Wikipedia could go for a broader article on the topic of "Liberal vs. Conservative Christianity in America in the Early 20th Century" (or, better yet, something with a better title that people might actually search for), but I would actually limit the term "Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy" to what happened within Presbyterianism. Today, I modified the article to include the relationship of the Presbyterian Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy. Since you're someone who's studied this topic, I'd like to know if you think that the current page is basically accurate, or if it still leaves something to be desired.

2. When I wrote that article, I assumed that if that understanding was wrong, someone would write a broader article on "The Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy" and re-label my article as "The Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy in the Presbyterian Church" or something like that.

3. I think that given 20th-century developments, it's easy to forget how closely allied Presbyterians and Baptists were at the start of the 20th century. I don't know that I sufficiently incorporated Baptists into the article. But heck, the point of Wikipedia isn't that I'm an expert in that topic, it's that it's supposed to call forth editing by people who genuinely are. Ahem, ahem. I have some minor, amateur expertise on early-20th century Presbyterianism, so I wrote an article on that topic. I don't claim to be an expert on the topic - I just wanted to impart what I know.

4. Overall, I think that a lot of people who comment on the Fundamentalist-Modernist controversy often don't even know the basic details. I think that my article actually provides people with a lot more historical knowledge than they would normally be able to access. Heck, I basically wrote the article because I thought that there wasn't a good website available on the topic and, rather than create one myself, I thought I might as well use Wikipedia. I certainly don't mean to pose as some sort of sole arbiter on this issue - I just wrote about stuff that I know.

5. Any suggestions you have to improve the article would be greatly appreciated. I am not, of course, the owner of this page, though I wrote the first draft. My hope in doing that first draft was that people would add more, find my errors, etc. - which hasn't really happened. But seriously, any problems you see with the article or if you have stuff you want to add, please feel free. Adam_sk 02:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Republican Party verification

Thank you for your note. You'll find a further cite and a clarification on the Republican Party page.--Primal Chaos 21:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Closed the discussion

Hello! I hope you are feeling great. I have just closed the discussion with regards to this page. I guess consensus was clear here and a common agreement was reached. --S iva1979^{Talk to me} 07:25, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me

I read about that discussion you had on my user page. Thanks for being the only one to vote yes... i am new... and it did upset me. You guys should be a little nicer cuz that should be put under bullying in the encyclopidia. And now you are planning to rip apart my user page? Geez! I'm telling all my friends and teachers and school not to use wikipedia because it is harsh, cruel, crude, and overall not understanding. They will all listen! But thank you for listening to me. I am still very upset though. I don't even have a myspace. Those were all STORIES! I like to write STORIES! I had them there so all my friends in school could read my STORIES! Thank you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Subpages_of_FonzieBaby BEATLES RULE!!! go fonz! 20:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you appear not to understand the purpose of Wikipedia - regardless of what you call them, what you were doing amounted to blogging - something which Wikipedia is not. If you wish to publish them online, I suggest that you get a xanga or blogger account and put them there. Yes, the people involved should have been a little more careful not to bite the newcomer by explaining what was going on, but the content was inappropriate for an encyclopedia and was correctly removed. --Tim4christ17 ^talk 13:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

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CfD nomination of Category:Iowa secretaries of state

Category:Iowa secretaries of state, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. – Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 06:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt CfD notice! --Tim4christ17 ^talk 23:19, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Rollback request

Hi Philosopher, I've granted your request. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. Cheers :) ~ Riana ⁂ 19:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 19:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

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