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[edit] Endorsement Oscar Meta Board elections

Please see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2007/Endorsements#Oscar

29. Koen Amatata 21:46, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

No link from local wiki to meta. Philippe 05:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Link from local wiki to meta added : see [17] Koen Amatata 07:54, 21 June 2007

Thanks, I've reinstated the endorsement. - Philippe | Talk 21:51, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent revert of additions to history of video games

I can only assume that you made a mistake just now reverting my edits to history of video games. This was the continuation of a major update that I began last month and included no vandalism. I think you need to explain yourself. As a long-standing and influential contributor, I am sure that this was not done out of malice, but it is nonetheless confusing. Indrian 22:32, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

My concern with these was the POV from which they were written. For instance:

considered the first great racing game by providing the most realistic racing action yet seen in the arcade as well as being..."

Considered by whom? Do you have sources to validate that? That's subjective text, which we normally don't tend to include in Wikipedia. If you can come up with valid third party sources to back that up, please list them using the appropriate citation tools. Otherwise, I'd encourage you to consider rewriting, which is what I was leaving on the talk page when you wrote me here. :-) - Philippe | Talk 22:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

First, I do have sources, including High Score: The Illustrated History of Video Games and The Video Games Guide, though, granted, I did not cite them on the page. Second, the appropriate course of action would be to put a citation needed tag or raise the concern on the talk page, which I assume you must be aware. Third, having a problem with a single line is no excuse to revert a massive edit. I assume you do not know much about video game history and would appreciate it if in the future you bring any concerns to the article talk page or through use of tags rather than reckless reverts. I appreciate and respect your concern for the integrity of the encyclopedia; I only ask that you discuss before resorting to reversion. Indrian 23:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I didn't say I had a problem with a single line - I said that was an example of them. I felt the writing was significantly POV - revertion was the easiest way to clear it out - and as I said, I was in the process of leaving a message on the talk, but cancelled it, since you brought it here. I'm sorry you disagreed with my actions, and hope that you understand I was acting in good faith. I believe you were as well. I'm sure you understand that to see that sentence, among others, it looked like a POV edit. Since you have sources, I encourage you to add them, and then we can all move on. Wish you the best... - Philippe | Talk 02:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I know you were acting in good faith and do not believe there is a major problem between us. My only request is that in the future on this video game history article that you take any concerns you have to the talk page or leave tags instead of blanket reverts. I do plan to source the article as part of a massive overhaul that will probably take many months, and the page as it exists now is a massive work in progress. I have yet to make any claims in the article that are controversial to one who knows the history of video games, which is why your revert particularly took me aback. I do not claim to be perfect and may make a mistake or cross the POV line at some point, but discussing the issues will be a better way to resolve the problem than reverting. Anyway, this may be too much discussion over what I am sure for you was just one small edit among dozens, but this is a large project for myself so I find it important to discuss. You certainly do not have to reply and may end this dialogue at your discretion. I wish you the best as well. Indrian 02:51, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you, dear Philippe! :)

Thank you for all that you have done! How much love resides therein! All one's gifts are never gone: Not seen, perhaps, but stored within. Kindness is an inner sun. Your unspent heart a message sends Of grace and sacrifice hard-won Upon which happiness depends! Thank you so much, dear Philippe! :) Love, Phaedriel 11:56, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

My dear Philippe, I couldn't possibly leave your beautiful wishes unreplied, not coming from one of the most wonderful guys I've met here. To my shame, your userpage design still sits at my sandbox, unfinished; rest assured you'll be surprised in a matter of days (cross fingers! ;) Love you, mon ami. Hugs, Phaedriel - 11:56, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Slater

Meh, it's okay. You did your best. DS 22:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arthur Bushby page

Philippe, you were a little quick on the trigger there...first of all, it was a STUB. Second of all, i was in the process of completing it. Because of your deletion, 20 minutes of edits were never "Saved"... my suggestion is that you put a WARNING message up before deleting...so at least you can judge it more fully. Since i did not save my work, i'm not motivated to go back and complete again.

Sxfranklin 06:01, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel frustrated by the deletion of that article. The article was tagged for speedy deletion (thus, warned) at 05:29 UTC and deleted at 05:42 UTC. Sometimes Speedy Delete is just that... speedy. But, I'll say in defense of both myself and the other editor (the one who tagged it for speedy), when we saw the article, it consisted of ONLY a couple of links. There was no sign that anyone was working on it. To our eyes, it was a link without context or any explanation at all. So, we took the appropriate action: the other article placed a notice of speedy deletion on it, and then about 15 minutes later, I deleted the article. If you'd like to recreate the article at some point, which I hope you will, I'd suggest that you have more than a link in it the first time you save the article. That way, this won't happen again. Again, I apologize that you're frustrated. - Philippe | Talk 17:34, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Phillippe, thank you for your explanation--i'm glad there was some time "delta" between flagging and deletion. Unfortunately i was too busy editing the other 95% of the article to notice either. I apparetnly pushed "save" pre-maturely, and did not realize there was only one link on it (it was midnight EDT, after all). It's too bad that WP does not have a "save to temp" file that a post-deletion edit can go into...cause i pushed save and it all disappeared due to the "Deletion" status. So that was a complete waste of 30 minutes and i really don't feel like spending the 30 minutes writing it up again--it was not the primary focus area of my research. But since I had all the resource info in front of me at the time, so i decided to WP a favor and write up a STUB for on of Victoria's key citizens and supply some links and resources for another editor to improve upon it later on. SINCE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ATTEND THE WP COUNCILS, CAN YOU SUGGEST A "POST-DELETE LOG" THAT WOULD HOLD ITEMS SAVED AFTER A DELETION. It seems like a relatively simple feature technically, and I think it would reduce a lot of frustration due to lost work. Thanks. Sxfranklin 19:01, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Sxfranklin, I'll email Tim Starling and make the suggestion. I think it's a good one. - Philippe | Talk 02:27, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Messages to Philippe

Hello Phillipe,

it was not our intention to make blatant advertizing to DASH signature but to record its history, the links to product pages shouldn't have been there, but you deleted the page before we're able to fix that, <sigh>

So we'll try to rewrite the page in different form ok?

BTW following http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Instruments and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompakt_%28Native_Instruments%29 which has not been deleted,

ciao,

Luigi

[edit] User:Rockermang

Why did you revert my edits to this user's profile? It is well documented that the edits I made are factual, and the user has not had the option to decide if he wants it on his profile or not.71.197.197.100 02:19, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, see, here's the thing - you don't get to call people juvenile names on Wikipedia. We tend to take a dim view of that. Why not pick a nice article to improve instead? Oh, and by the way... we have civility rules here. - Philippe | Talk 02:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Well it's in my belief that Rockermang would like to keep those edits. 71.197.197.100 02:26, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's not your decision to make. Nice try though! :-) - Philippe | Talk 02:31, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we should ask him? 71.197.197.100 02:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC) Haha, the version you just reverted was put up by Rockermang himself XD XD 71.197.197.100 03:25, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm well aware of that. :-)

YOU DIDN'T SIGN THAT! Haha, I'm a good little boy about signing. How could you do such a thing against his will??? 71.197.197.100 03:28, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm just mean like that. :-) - Philippe | Talk 03:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John zalewski

Not quite sure what your message meant but the page has been redeleted. :-) Pascal.Tesson 02:02, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

You have the worst name. I bet you are a huge nerd that will never kiss a girl because you are really pale and edit wikipedia all day. Get a life!!! Oh, maybe you will kiss a wikibabe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Californiadrew (talk • contribs)

Well, for what it's worth, kissing girls isn't all that interesting to me. There are other folks around who might enjoy it, but... I sure appreciate you sharing your opinion though. (And he's not so far off on the amount of time spent editing wikipedia.)- Philippe | Talk 03:48, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree that you are a huge nerd that will never kiss a girl... but in my book, both of those are good things. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Look, I'm a nerd, and girls = yucky, but for the record... I'm not huge. Slightly pudgy, perhaps, but definitely not huge. - Philippe | Talk 20:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Huge, of course, refers to the enormity of your nerditude, and not the enormity of your person. When I picture you, I picture something along these lines. -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:40, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

OMG! YOU CRACKED THE CODE! My secret identity is out! Foiled again! One of these days I'll upload a real picture of myself - not just one of those paparazzi ones that always grace the cover of People magazine. - Philippe | Talk 20:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Thank you for participating in my RfA. It was successful, and I am now, may God have mercy on us all, an administrator. Look at all the new buttons! I had heard about 'protect,' 'block user,' and 'delete,' but no one told me about 'kill,' 'eject,' and 'purée.' I appreciate the trust the community has in me, and I'll try hard not to delete the main page or block Jimbo. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] RfA nom

Ryan, thank you for the nomination, I'm honored. I've started to draft my answers, and once I get some things wrapped up (24 hours or so?) I'll transclude the page. Again, thank you - you're very kind. - Philippe | Talk 02:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

The page has been transcluded. Thank you! - Philippe | Talk 20:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tulsa, Oklahoma

Greetings, Philippe. I just wanted to let you know that I deleted your recent addition to the Tulsa article regarding the move to One Technology Center. I did this because we have been debating whether to include this in the article for a while and I had some reservations about it, which I have begun to discuss again on the talk page. I was wondering if you would like to participate in the discussion there. Again, sorry I removed your addition but as a featured article we just want to make absolutely sure that we resolve the issue of including the city hall move before entering it into the article. Normally I would never delete someone's contribution. On another note, I look forward to working with you on Taskforce Tulsa articles also, as I see you've listed your name on there. Thanks! And I apologize again. Okiefromokla•talk 22:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I'm happy to join you there. Thanks for the notification. - Philippe | Talk 00:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My dear Philippe

My sweet, dear Philippe, I'm truly sorry I wasn't around when you sent me that beautful message, because I truly feel, with all my heart, that I have a precious friend in you too... and one that wasn't aware you weren't an admin yet, otherwise, I'd have nominated you myself! Fortunately, I'm in time to support you ;) It's truly beautiful to know you're around, sweetie - even if we don't talk everyday, I feel happier to feel you around me. Love you, lots, Phaedriel - 22:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Congratulations, your RfA was successful

Congratulations on becoming an admin. I hereby present you with this Vandal whacking stick. May it serve you well. WjBscribe 09:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, your RfA was successful and you are now a sysop! --Deskana (talk) 20:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! Rlest 20:30, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations sir, it was an honour to have nominated you! You know where I am if you want any help, advice, or just want a little chit chat! Ryan Postlethwaite 21:40, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations from me! Acalamari 21:48, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

• You're welcome for the support. :) I am glad your RfA was successful. Acalamari 03:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Congrats on getting adminship. — Moe ε 04:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, Philippe! Well done :) Sorry I missed your RFA, though - I was away. Support :) - Alison ☺ 07:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Better late than never!! Thanks for the nice words. - Philippe | Talk 07:21, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I was honored to participate in the RfA if such a great user.  Tcrow777  talk  07:57, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey, congratulations! Good luck with it all :) ~ Riana ⁂ 08:15, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Glad you made it, Phillipe. Good luck! —Anas ^talk? 14:11, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Woo, congratulations! I would give you a random image, but someone beat me too it. *shakes fist at WJB* Giggy _U^CP 00:57, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Could you please move Lists of topics over to Wikipedia:Lists of topics? This is a incorrect location for a Wikipedia namespace page to be located, and this certainly isn't an article. — Moe ε 04:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Curious

Is it possible to salt an article's talk pages? -WarthogDemon 04:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

It can be done, but I'd have to be convinced pretty hard.  :-) - Philippe | Talk 04:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Loserz
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Loserz (second nomination)
• Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_July_13#Loserz
• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive271#Ripster40
• Loserz Webcomic

And the deletion log of Loserz itself. Seems they have a hard time taking "no" for an answer here. I'd also point to minor IP vandalisms, but these are the major things... Good enough? :P -WarthogDemon 04:31, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

It's sure something I'll look at. Which article talk are you thinking of specifically? - Philippe | Talk 04:34, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

The talk pages of Loserz and Loserz Webcomic respectively. As well as any talk page of any derivations they come up with. I'm wondering if that'll (finally) discourage them. -WarthogDemon 04:52, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I salted Talk:Loserz, because it's been deleted a ton. I'm loathe to salt Talk:Loserz Webcomic because I only see one delete on it. I know they're persistent, and I'll watch it... if it gets deleted again, I'll salt it. I'm hoping they'll just leave it alone, and we don't have to have a created and salted page sitting around out there. If I miss it and it comes back, let me know and I'll get at it then.  :-) - Philippe | Talk 04:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll do that. Thanks. :) -WarthogDemon 17:08, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you for blocking User:172.207.17.93. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 16:26, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! - Philippe | Talk 16:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Addiction Foods

I would like this article reinstated. It was wrong for User:Nuttah68 to place for speedy deletion when a discussion could have fixed whatever problem he has with it. Addiction Foods is the only pet food manufacturer lon the planet using kangaroo and common brushtail possum as a primary meat. Noles1984 16:37, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

FYI, I've been discussing the process of asserting notability with Noles1984 at User talk:Leebo#Notability, and I restored Addiction Foods with a hangon tag so he can contest the deletion with sources. Leebo ^T/C 17:41, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Works for me, thanks for stepping in! - Philippe | Talk 18:26, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paul Inder

Would Paul Inder be good for an afd? -WarthogDemon 03:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Yah, I think I'd AfD it. There's enough there that it's not a speedy, I don't think, but I don't think notability is firmly established. - Philippe | Talk 03:15, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Consider it afdified. :) -WarthogDemon 03:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion?

Hi, I'm new. I created the page Ernie's House of Whoop Ass and someone marked it as speedy deletion. I tried to add the hangon tag and added my rationale to the Talk page for the article, but you deleted the page in very short time period between the hangon edit and my submission of a Talk comment. First, I disagree with the deletion and feel the article might not have been deleted if you had heard my reasoning. Second, the extremely short time between then notification of speedy deletion and the time I posted the Talk comment was way too short. I do not understand how anyone new to Wikipedia could feel welcome to enter the huge and mysterious process editing Wikipedia seems to be if I do not even get the chance to defend my edits or get the courtesy of a helpful explanation. Sure, after the speedy deletion edit, I received an explanation of how to counter the tag, but I wasn't allowed enough time to counter the tag before the article was deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Impmope (talk • contribs)

Welcome to Wikipedia. I'm sorry the experience has been frustrating for you - I hope I can help you out some. The reason I deleted the article is because it failed our notability standards. If you read our notability policy, it explains what we consider to be appropriately notable for inclusion in the encyclopedia, and unfortunately, nothing in the article struck me as particularly unusual or notable. If you'd like to draft an article and then let me know where it is, I can glance at it before you post it and provide you with suggestions that might help out. I strongly suggest, though, that you begin by reading our notability standards. I'm also going to drop a quick "welcome" notice on your userpage that might give you some good hints. - Philippe | Talk 03:29, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Information graffiti

I would ask you to reconsider verbose censorship. I am not sure you even comprehend what you delete. The irony is this; you are expressing yourself by your imposition the validation of the subject matter. These ideas will prevail with or without you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hugewindow (talk • contribs)

<grin> You're right... it MUST be that I deleted it because I didn't understand the concept. All those pesky ideas and things. The thing is, Wikipedia isn't a place for original research - it's an encyclopedia. In fact, we even have a rule about that: WP:OR. - Philippe | Talk 03:51, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!

I have posted something at WP:RFC/N. Take a look if you like. Cheers, -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 04:04, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Great! I'll keep an eye on it, I'm curious to see what folks think. I'd particularly like to see discussion that doesn't center around the last-edit date, because something similar to this is likely to come up again, and I'm curious how the community feels. - Philippe | Talk 04:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal whacking stick.

What surface would this vandals be defacing? oh...right! I get it! Enjoy stroking your ego in a very un orginal manner. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hugewindow (talk • contribs).

Well, that's probably up to the vandal, isn't it? But then, it's your mind that took you there... <grin> I'm sorry that you and I don't agree on that article. I hope you'll take the time to read a couple of our policies (the policy on notability and the policy on original research) and maybe have another go at it. I'd be happy to scan something before you posted it to be sure that it was appropriate to our purposes, if you want. In any case, please remember to sign your talk page comments by putting four tildes (~~~~) at the end of them. That makes it easier for us to sort through who left what. - Philippe | Talk 04:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] self importance

I will leave you to swoon over your abilty; get back to me in a few years. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hugewindow (talk • contribs).

OK, I'll make a mark of it on my calendar. Best to ya. - Philippe | Talk 04:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Kush

I know this article was deleted before. Someone rewrote it and I added a cites from XXL (magazine) stating the release date and tracklisting. Is that not considered a reliable source? It is indeed a major magazine. MrBlondNYC 13:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi - the issue in this case wasn't so much reliable sources, it's that the article went through a valid articles for deletion process. Once it goes through that, and the community decides that it should be deleted, the best way to bring it back is to first approach the original deleting admin (in this case User:Daniel Case, I think) and see if he'll bring it back to let you work on it. If that doesn't work, send it through deletion review. Otherwise, we'd just have people re-creating articles all over the place. If you think you can source it (and I'd go with more than one reliable source - people usually want to see multiple reliable sources), you can mention that at the deletion review. Without a valid DRV or Admin agreement, you're probably going to see the article continually deleted, because admins are going to take very seriously the community's wishes from AfD. Hope this helps some... if you have any other questions, let me know. I'll help you any way that I can. - Philippe | Talk 13:19, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-tank dog

I reverted your deletion of Anti-tank dog. I'd been reading the source given and the text didn't seem to match up exactly. There's also the fact that it gave the Wikipedia article, which predated it by a year, as a source. Let me know if you disagree. Leithp 18:10, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't disagree, and in fact, had just changed my mind and was un-deleting it when I got notice that it had already been done. - Philippe | Talk 18:11, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DJ-Kicks: Tiga

Why was this deleted? I can see there a was a "db-spam" tag on it, but what led you to think it was spam?--P4k 00:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I deleted it because I saw no notability in the article. It appears to be one article by an artist with no assertion of notability. - Philippe | Talk 02:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

You mean you deleted it because you saw no assertion of notability in Tiga's article? Tiga (musician) asserts notability in several ways: several of his singles have reached the top 100 on national charts (criteria 2), he's won a Juno Award (criteria 8), he's produced "widely known" remixes, he's collaborated with notable people, etc. Even if you feel that article doesn't assert notability, I think that being part of a notable compilation series (DJ-Kicks) should establish the album's notability in the same way that being by a notable artist would. Are you planning to delete Tiga (musician) as well?--P4k 02:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, hadn't looked that closely at it. I'll evaluate it though. I'm curious, though, why this article is not included in a discography section on the artist's article though? - Philippe | Talk 02:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

It is.--P4k 02:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC

So why do we have a separate article about it? I'm not asking leading questions, I'm genuinely curious. - Philippe | Talk 02:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

It's linked from Tiga's article, I'm not saying all of the content in DJ-Kicks: Tiga is reproduced in Tiga (musician). Are you saying that you think it would be better to include all the content on the album article on Tiga's page? Personally I think having a seperate article is a better way to divide the information; that way people who aren't interesting in reading the tracklist or whatever don't have to scroll past it, and it's easier to link to from other articles. It just seems more well-organized to me. The thing is, this is actually irrelevant. If your concern is notability then you shouldn't have deleted the article; albums aren't covered under csd a7.--P4k 03:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I tell you what - I encourage you to take it to DRV. I'll abide by the community's feelings. It's entirely possible I'm not totally calibrated to them. - Philippe | Talk 05:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. FYI this has been an extremely frustrating experience.--P4k 05:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I know this will sound flip or placating, and I hope you understand my sincerity when I say that I'm sorry that's the case. I really am. I don't want anyone to have a frustrating experience on wiki, that's not what we're here for. In all fairness, I tend to be a little deletionist in my outlook, and I really don't want to get into a theoretical discussion, that's why I invited you to take it to DRV. I appreciate that you took the time to bring it to the deleting admin, and that you were willing to engage in discussion about it (and initiated the discussion). Again, I'm sorry it was frustrating for you. - Philippe | Talk 06:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.--P4k 21:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Abby Abadi

Just to give you a heads up, I'm planning to take this speedy deletion to DRV soon. I've already partly discussed this on tagger Ten Pound Hammer's RfA, where I and Paxse have given reasons why we thought it shouldn't have been deleted (we're opposes #10 and #13). To add to those, her raw Ghit count of about 20K[2] is pretty good considering that a) Malaysia is a country with a smaller population and is less wired, and b) her peak of popularity seems to have been around 2000-2002, and she's also got 50 News Archive hits[3]. This, combined with her "Most Popular TV Actress" ABP Awards, seems to show that she's a popular actress in Malaysia. I'll hold off for at least a few hours to give you a chance to undelete it yourself, if this has changed your mind. --Groggy Dice T | C 18:29, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Groggy Dice, thank you for doing me the courtesy of notifying me that you intended to take it to DRV. I appreciate that, very much. I've just reviewed the previously deleted version of the article and see no assertion of notability - the article was basically just a list of a few films that she acted in, with no discussion about critical laud, awards, or even whether the roles were major. There's nothing in the article to suggest notability, so I think that I'm going to stand by my deletion. However, I looks forward to seeing the discussion at DRV, and wish you the best in this and all your editing. - Philippe | Talk 18:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Abby Abadi. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Groggy Dice T | C 03:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] George

No, thank you.  :) Corvus cornix 21:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Wait. You only blocked him for one hour?! Corvus cornix 21:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, initially, but I've changed my mind. He's getting "vandalism only." - Philippe | Talk 21:17, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Fire star beat me to it. He's indefinite now. - Philippe | Talk 21:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Greetings! Yep, I saw in his user history an interest in vandalising football articles in general and George Elokobi in particular, so I gave him a username hardblock. Cheers! --Fire Star 火星 21:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. Corvus cornix 21:22, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Eh, I'm football illiterate, and the George Elokobi thing went right over my head. Had I seen that, I'd have done indefinite from the beginning. Should have anyway, I was being way too nice. - Philippe | Talk 21:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

It is better to err on the side of caution, anyway. You stopped the depredation long enough for us to actually investigate instead of just cleaning his messes... --Fire Star 火星 01:43, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you for blocking User:Igotflab and User:Lumpy logs. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 21:29, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for keeping an eye out! - Philippe | Talk 21:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Im not sure if this is where im supposed to post but you block my other account AntiGayAllegiance for supposally adding more promotional content. well what i did was i deleted everything from the page so it was blank and you could delete it. I didn't add anything i just deleted everything. Please unblock my other account AntiGayAllegiance. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AntiGayAlliegence (talk • contribs).

I assure you, I'm not going to unblock your other account. Your usernames are defamatory and offensive, and thus prohibited by WP:U. - Philippe | Talk 01:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletions

1. On what basis did you delete E-JASL: The Electronic Journal of Academic and Special Librarianship ? The reasons say db-A7 ad, but there is no such category, and hoax, and hoaxes are no speediable. Possibly you meant db as web content without an assertion of notability? Possible G11, advertisement? In either case, please undelete so I can fix the tone, for its perfectly real, and indexed in the major indexing service in the field, as it says right in the article.
2. On what basis did you delete Dr. Urmila Pachouri and Dr. Pramod Pachouri ? You deleted as A7, but the article asserts notability. I agree the notability is quite doubtful, but a prod would have been appropriate , or an afd.
3. Andrew Smith (Mens Fashion Designer) also asserts notability. again, a prod would have been appropriate.
4. Princess consort of Monaco is a short list, and there is no reason to think it so un-encylopedic as to be worth a speedy. If its controversial, it has to go to afd, and such lists are always controversial.
5. Victor Vinatonni dbA7 only applies to real people, not fictional ones. Please recheck WP:CSD.

and so on. I only mention a few. I know you're new at this. I know that there are different attitudes, and I also know that some people tend to think me reluctant to delete articles, but if you will look at my delete log you'll see otherwise. We are supposed to investigate speedies before deleting, we are not supposed to just go on the word of the person who placed he tag, and I do not see how anyone can do 1 per minute and get them all right. Let me suggest that you go more cautiously at first. You dont have to clear out everything yourself. When I started, i started with the really obvious. Even so, a couple of more experienced admins spoke to me quite sharply about what I had thought was obvious. DGG (talk) 01:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to ask. I appreciate it. I'd like to say that while these might have had the action taken within a minute, through the beauty of multiple browser tabs, I do, in fact, investigate them before I do anything with them. I'm not fond of your implication that I don't investigate the speedies - in fact, I do, but I appreciate that you took the time to come to me with your concerns and I thank you for that. I will take a look at these at some point tonight as I'm doing some other work, and will get your some answers. In the meantime, I'll absolutely undelete E-JASL for you as you request. - Philippe | Talk 01:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your Toolbox

On you user page, you have a toolbox with alot of different functions and wikipedia code on them. Do you mind if I use your toolbox as a references when i am editing articles and looking for templates.? also, is it possible to copy the toolbox onto my userpage (ill make one of those sub-page thingies or whatever they're called so that it doesn't appear on my userpage.) I can reference you aswell if you grant me the permission to use it. Thank you for your time. GBenemy ^(talk) 04:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, you can borrow it, sure... but I can't claim credit for it, I stole it from User:FisherQueen, who stole it from User:Fuhghettaboutit, so that's where I'd go for the most up to date version of it. It's an incredibly helpful toolkit, isn't it? I know that User:Fuhghettaboutit doesn't mind having it distributed. Good luck to you! - Philippe | Talk 04:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help :D it's almost as useful as the TWINKLE user script :D...GBenemy ^(talk) 04:30, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Love me some Twinkle. But if you like that, check out VandalProof. - Philippe | Talk 04:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Looks good, I'll check it out, thanks for the info :D GBenemy ^(talk) 05:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] re: Bio Pages

Which article are you talking about? Kolindigo 22:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Looks like it was Boonswang - members of the family may be notable as individuals, but the family as a group is not. - Philippe | Talk 22:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I didn't make that page. ??? Kolindigo 22:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Eh, you're totally right. You just tagged it for speedy. Sorry about that, I fired the macro at the wrong person! Thanks for pointing it out. - Philippe | Talk 22:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem. :) Kolindigo 22:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Julisa kardasian

I'm not sure what to do with this: Julisa kardasian. Should I give the user a conflict of interest warning? -WarthogDemon 23:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd start with that, and a point to WP:BLP. I might also run it through AFD and see what they think about it. I think the claim of notability is sketchy at best, and would also like to see some references. Good catch. - Philippe | Talk 23:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Forgive me for bothering you again. I just sent you an email and am in need of some help here. -WarthogDemon 02:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

No worries, I'll check my email and reply. - Philippe | Talk 02:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I think I've figured something out so I sent one more. :) -WarthogDemon 02:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

One more thing. -WarthogDemon 03:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] why

why did you delete the andre nickatina article...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.104.140.32 (talk • contribs)

I didn't. According to the Deletion Log: JlaTondre did, at 17:17 on 22 July. - Philippe | Talk 02:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PLEASE

Can't you just keep the article A Second To Last, I did everything I could for it. Maybe you can help me out with it. I spent WAY too long on it for you to just delete it. I read the guidelines, and I don't see anything for why it got deleted. Help me out, it took me 4 hours to create that page, and you deleted it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Travis0123456789 (talk • contribs)

I'm sorry you worked that hard on a page that isn't suitable for Wikipedia. My concern with A Second To Last is that they do not meet Wikipedia's notability standards for a band or musical group. If you can satisfy that they meet any of the standards listed there, I'd be glad to help you make the article demonstrate that. - Philippe | Talk 03:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cage the Elephant

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Cage the Elephant. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Jmaurer2 05:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. :-) - Philippe | Talk 05:03, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Matt Miller (musician)

This page was just deleted, since it was noted to be with the "speedy" designation and all. I understand it is your job to delete these as they come up, so I don't really have an issue with that. However, I was looking up info to add to the page, (which i probably shouldve labeled as a musician stub to being with) when it was deleted. He is the only member of the band he performs with that does not have a wiki page. How much info/sources/links should be gathered up before submitting the initial article so it doesnt get marked for speedy deletion? And how long should I wait before resubmitting the article? Ocstat 04:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi - Since you were working on the page while it got deleted, I recreated it for you in your userspace - you can find the page at User:Ocstat/Matt Miller. If you want to continue to work on it, and then let me know I'll be glad to take a look at it before you move it back into main space and give you suggestions. Generally speaking, you're going to want multiple reliable sources that will establish notability for musicians. I know that's fairly broad, but I'm not sure exactly what's out there on this guy, so it's hard to answer specifically. Keep working on it, then let me know and I'll take a look at it before it's moved into mainspace and hopefully that will keep it live. Thanks! - Philippe | Talk 04:21, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for saving the page for me. I'll try to spice it up a bit before submitting it again. I took a look at the notability for musicians link, and while Matt Miller doesnt nessecarilly meet those requirements himself, the band he performs with, Sparta does. So, basically, the article just needs some more information, correct? Ocstat 04:50, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, in a case like that, I'd be more inclined to suggest that you fold all the musicians' individual pages into the band page - otherwise, you always run the risk of someone saying that he doesn't meet the notability requirements and starting this process over. If you can write it clearly enough that he as a member of the band clearly meets them, you stand a shot though. I'm happy I could help you out. Let me know if you want me to take a look at it. - Philippe | Talk 04:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the page is just about done, if you would like to take a look at it and tell me if it is up to par, that would be greatly appreciated!Ocstat 07:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

You've made some definite improvements to the page, thank you for doing that. If I may make one suggestion, though, it's to include in the lead paragraph (maybe right after you mention Sparta) something that establishes their notability. Sparta is the first band to win 1,000 awards in one night... or something of that nature - whatever it is that satisfies WP:MUSIC for them. After that, I think we may be headed the right direction. - Philippe | Talk 15:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok I am pretty sure the page now meets the requirements set for it. It would be appreciated if you could take one last look. Thanks again!Ocstat 21:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

<outdent> - I made a couple of changes to bump the assertion of notability up in the article - it was kind of buried. Feel free to revert them if you think it kills the flow. I think there's enough there to survive speedy, based on both the charted hit and the international tour. In fact, based on WP:MUSIC I absolutely support keeping this article now. I'll reverse my previous judgment and put it out in mainspace now.

Thanks! You've been a great help! Ocstat 23:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DJ-Kicks: Tiga

This article, which you deleted on 22 July for A11, has been restored, word-for-word, by User: Phil Sandifer, on 26 July. I concur with your decision to delete and ask that you revisit the page and reverse the undelete. All any reader need do is read the article and s/he will see content that sounds like it was lifted from a press release or the album cover, i.e., blatant advertising. Thank you. 72.76.2.169 11:19, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Since the page has been through a valid deletion review, I am satisfied that our process has been upheld. I'm not willing to get into a delete/undelete war over this one. Obviously there were people who thought it belonged, including admins, so while I still am not sure it does, I'm not going to re-delete the page. At this point, the best choice is to send it through AfD if you feel strongly about it. Thanks! - Philippe | Talk 15:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gothus Arcane

Page was deleted. I know why it was according to the policy. But how then does a music band for instance get theri info into wiki? I added the author's info to look and sound just like a band profile. What needs to be done. Something of importance? Won't being the first and only "heavy metal author and novelist" be of importance enough to be warrented?

Frostlands 15:40, 26 July 2007 (UTC) Frostlands

Hi Frostlands - you may want to read Wikipedia's standards for notability of a band. It tells what makes a band notable enough for inclusion into the encyclopedia. Does the band fit those standards? If so, draft a page about them in your own userspace, and then let me know and I'll look at it and tell you whether I think it's a strong enough statement of notability to justify their inclusion in the encyclopedia. If you put it up before there's appropriate notability evidence listed, chances are it will keep getting deleted until we simply won't allow the page to be created any more. - Philippe | Talk 16:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scottsdale Center

Did you speedy delete Scottsdale Center as it now says you did at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scottsdale Center and at User talk:TenPoundHammer in the section "Getting too hasty in closing AFDs," and if so why can't I find it in your contribution history or the edit history for the AFD? Thanks. Edison 20:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

• Found where you speedied it while it was up for AFD [4]. When you speedy delete an article which is already up for AFD, please also note that action in the AFD, because otherwise there is some confusion about who deleted it, and other editors have to make the appropriate changes to the AFD. For some reason, speedy deletions do not show up in an admin's contribution history. Thanks. Edison 21:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Eh, yeah, that's my fault. I forgot to note on the AfD that I closed it. So sorry. Glad it all got sorted out. - Philippe | Talk 22:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

User talk:TenPoundHammer is quite a Wikignome, running around noting that AFDs have been speedy deleted, but sometimes it looks like he is the one who did the speedy deletion, when he is only exercising the mop with great diligence, but without being an admin. Edison 04:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re

I apologize for that. I realized that the comment was too harsh and in violation of WP:NPA, and was about to change it when you issued the block, thus you saw the original version. Thank you for blocking him in any case. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 22:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

No worries, the world goes on. Have a great day! - Philippe | Talk 22:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Hockey team - Malaysia

I am gonna revert the move u made. If u see Category:National field hockey teams, the naming convention is as it was earlier, ie: without capital letters. Cheers.. kawaputra^tok2me 03:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Okie dokie. - Philippe | Talk 04:28, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CONQUEST! The Ultimate Trojan Experience

Can you reinstate that page as it is not a club, company. It is an event that holds a big historical significance in the USC-UCLA rivalry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eclongshot (talk • contribs)

I'm sorry, no - it's a group of people participating in an event that has not, for the purposes of the encyclopedia, been demonstrated to hold notability. If you can demonstrate, using reliable third party sources that this event has significance to the greater world, I'd be happy to look at it with you. Unfortunately, I don't see any reason at this point that it should be included. Does the event have greater historical value? Greater sociological value? Is it something that we as a culture can learn from? If you can honestly answer those questions "yes", then I'll be happy to move the page to your userspace for you so that you can continue to work on the article - then, once you think it's ready for inclusion, I'd be glad to tell you whether I believe it meets the notability standards before you move it back to the encyclopedia. However, I can tell you now that I have my doubts about whether this event will ever qualify for inclusion. - Philippe | Talk 13:46, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] douch bag

Thats you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hugewindow (talk • contribs)

Good lord, at least spell it right. Blocked. - Philippe | Talk 15:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nicola Legrottaglie sprotection tag

Thank you for the semi-protection on this page. You added a notice on the talk page for Nicola Legrottaglie. I took the liberty of adding sprotected tag to the article's page, igf you don't mind. Thanks. Alexf(t/c) 15:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I got distracted and didn't do that. - Philippe | Talk 15:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jason Kevin Dunn

Hi. I noticed you speedily deleted this article, and I was just wondering why one wouldn't consider being a member of a notable band to be at least an assertion of notability. Having removed one of the wikilinks from the band's article, you were obviously aware of this. --Maxamegalon2000 15:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. That particular article page caught my attention when it was tagged for speedy delete - it appeared to have almost no content, and frankly, I missed the sentence that he was the lead singer for a particular band. What was missing altogether was any explanation of why that band is notable, which would make sense in this article. However, all that is required is proof of why HE is notable, which there clearly was. I'll reinstate the article. As to the wikilink, it's removed automatically by my script tool (Twinkle) when I delete a page - I didn't actually ever see the Hawk Nelson article... no conspiracy theories, please. :-)

When I reinstate the article, though, I'm going to strip out the extraneous, non-encyclopedic and unsourced material. - Philippe | Talk 15:45, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Just don't let anyone know I did it -- I'll lose my rep as a deletionist.  ;) (I do think the best thing is to redirect to the main article since there's not much about the person that can be said that is verifiable, but ... eh.) -- Merope 15:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, let's give 'em a chance to flesh it out first though. Who knows, maybe they can turn it into a really good article? If'n it stays a stub for too long though, I think a redirect might be in order. - Philippe | Talk 15:53, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I've actually put the AfD tag back, because I'm as unsure as you guys are about whether he merits an article or not, but I'm reasonably sure he's not a speedy candidate. --Maxamegalon2000 16:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the AfD tag really should come off, because that AfD was closed. If we want to renominate him, we need to start from scratch, but that AfD tag leads to the OLD afd. You were right, he wasn't a speedy candidate. - Philippe | Talk 16:10, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. OK. --Maxamegalon2000 16:18, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the restoration. I was curious about the closing myself. I actually would have liked to have seen the AfD continue, as I am curious about bands and notability. I would assume that if a band is notable, the members would have to inherit that notability. A band wouldn't be as such, without members, just as a record cannot be notable without the band inheriting the notability. Any thoughts? the_undertow ^talk 18:50, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

My gut feeling is that the band itself is notable (and thus entitled to an article) but the members of the band do not automatically inherit that notability. So, if the member has done anything in particular to gain notability (ie, Bono), they get a page. If not, the band gets a page with all the members listed in sections thereon. Again, that's nothing but gut feeling and I'd like to see it play out. - Philippe | Talk 18:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I guess my train of thought is different. What makes the band members notable is the fact that they are members of a notable band. the_undertow ^talk 19:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

You know, it's almost a "chicken/egg" situation, isn't it? What came first, the band or the players? And which is more important? None of them are notable without the band, but the band doesn't exist without the players. - Philippe | Talk 19:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

You just blew my mind. This really should be a situation to propose a modification to WP:BAND if we could find the forum to gather consensus. the_undertow ^talk 20:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BIMUN

Could you please tell me why the article has been deleted? Thanks for your help!

Are you sure that's the title? I can't find an article titled that. - Philippe | Talk 19:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, the correct title is "BIMUN - Bonn International Model United Nations" the log said "06:07, 27 July 2007 Philippe (Talk | contribs) deleted "BIMUN - Bonn International Model United Nations"

Thanks, that helps. I deleted it because it's an article about a group or club that does not meet Wikipedia's standards for notability. If you believe that you have reliable sources that could demonstrate notability for this group, I'd be happy to un-delete it to your userspace so that you can work on it. Once that's done, if you'd let me know, I could look over it and determine whether I believe it meets our requirements before you move it back to Main-space. However, I'd warn you that it would really take some considerable press coverage to meet those requirements for this group, I think. - Philippe | Talk 19:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, please un-delete it to my userspace so I can work on it and add sources. Thanks!

[edit] Can you recheck again?

Can you recheck again about the block of User:Forgettable ben? User:Forgettable ben is a likely sockpuppet of User:Ron liebman. User:Ronald liebman and User:Ronald liebman V are confirmed sockpuppets of User:Ron liebman (see both of their block log). Notice the similarities of these edits...

• here at Autocomfirm Proposal where Ronald liebman edits

• here again at Autoconfirmed Proposal where Forgettable ben edits

Please recheck whether a block is appropriate or not.--PrestonH 01:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

See, these are the kind of important details that would help at AIV. :-) Sure, I'm blocking him now. I had no idea who you thought he was a sockpuppet from the report. - Philippe | Talk 01:32, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ultraman549

Only reason I went straight to AIV is that his editing patterns looked similar to one of our favorite on-wiki puppet shows, JB196 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log). Especially per this diff. Blueboy96 03:47, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I absolutely understand - I'm loathe to block without issuing any warnings though - if we both keep an eye on him, and he keeps it up, let me know and I'll indef block. - Philippe | Talk 03:49, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Surprise!

Hulk Hogan has visited you! Hulk "somehow" promotes WikiLove and wants you to be happy today, and hopefully he has managed to make your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving something friendly to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Come on now, go and make someone happy today, or Hulk will hug you till you choke, dear Philippe! :) Happy editing! - Phaedriel - 12:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

		My RFA
		User:TenPoundHammer and his romp of Wikipedia-editing otters thank you for participating in Hammer's failed request for adminship, and for the helpful tips given to Hammer for his and his otters' next run at gaining the key. Also, Hammer has talked to the otters, and from now on they promise not to leave fish guts and clamshells on the Articles for Deletion pages anymore. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 16:59, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you! :)

Thank you for your beautiful words and warm wishes on my birthday, dear Philippe! I took a well-deserved one-day wikibreak and spent it with my family and my friends... and actually had a beer after months of forced abstinence! :) Of course, there's no way I'd forget about you, so I saved a great, tasty piece of chocolate cake just for you - but sorry, no beer left! Again, thank you so much for taking the time to wish me well, and have a wonderful day, my friend! Love, Phaedriel - 12:51, 30 July 2007 (UTC) In the short time we've shared, the small seed of friendship we sowed months ago has already become a charming, beautiful flower, my dear Philippe. May you have a wonderful vacation, and rest assured I'll be eagerly waiting for your return! :) Lots of xxx, Sharon

[edit] User:Picapole

Hi, regarding my reporting him at AIV: I can understand why you wouldn't want to block him, but since other users had given him a "final warning", I didn't really want to warn him again with out reporting him. I wouldn't characterize his edits at Lars Larson as "good-faith" or a content dispute, however. We would be willing to hear why he wants to make those changes (even after a particulary POV edit that was removed) but even after numerous attempts to get him to communicate, all he does is revert. Incidentally several of us previously reverted edits following a similar pattern from a user with a different agenda. diff. I don't think any of us who revert the edits to that article are fans of the subject by any stretch of the imagination, but Picapole seems bent on showing Larson in a negative light. And there is a bit of a difference between "conservative" and "right-wing". Any suggestions besides continuing to monitor the article? Katr67 21:10, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Katr67 - thanks for taking the time to contact me. I hope I can explain my reasoning, and maybe we can come up with a solution... first, when I say that the edits are "good-faith", that's a very particular definition for this purpose - that is, the edit is not intended to cause vandalism. Vandalism, for the purposes of administrative actions, can only consist of edits that are intended to do harm, or are so egregious that they actually do hard to the wiki. On WP:AIV, we intercede to protect the wiki.

So, given that, POV edits are not automatically vandalism, though in some cases they can be. I know it's frustrating to have to keep monitoring that page and reverting him, and frankly, if it continues too much longer I'll probably get it through my skull that it really is vandalism, but for now I'm assuming good faith. There may be another admin who would take action on it, but I tend to be fairly cautious. I'd encourage you to try out one of our dispute resolution steps - they may serve as the strong wake-up call that is needed here.

In the meantime, I'll add the article to my watchlist and keep an eye on things - unfortunately, that doesn't do a great deal of immediate good, since I'm leaving the country tomorrow and won't have internet access for a bit, but I can check on it when I get back, and there are several other admins who have my talk page on their watchlist and I know they'll keep an eye on things as well.

- Philippe | Talk 21:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Philippe, thanks for your quick response. I get exactly what you're saying. I think our previous vandal/POV pusher on that article was reverting more quickly and agressively, thus when reported at AIV, he was blocked--several times, which was indeed a wake-up call. I've seen this sort of slow edit war thing before and with an editor who won't communicate, mediation and the like don't seem to be much help. The thing is, they usually get bored and go away at some point, but it sure is tedious waiting them out. I did leave him/her a bit more personalized message asking for some cooperation, sometimes that does the trick... Have a nice trip! Katr67 21:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Punitive vs. preventative?

Re your comment "This user's last edit to that page was on 7/29. Any action taken now would be punitive, rather than preventative. Decline block."

When would a block be preventative? Before someone has ever edited? That's a little impossible. How in the name of all that is holy can you prevent continued removals of tags without blocking? Valrith 21:12, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

HI Valrith: Administrators on WP:AIV are charged with enforcing Wikipedia's blocking policy, which, in its second sentence, says: Blocks are used to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, not to punish users. So, a block is preventative when we see an ongoing pattern of damaging vandalism that is likely to continue and do damage to the wiki. In a case like that, I would block in order to protect the wiki from further harm. In the case that you're dealing with - the removal of maintenance tags - the wiki is actually not in grave danger, although it's terribly annoying, I know. We have a number of other methods available to calm things down - dispute resolution and request for page protection come to mind immediately. Instead, what I'll do in this case is to leave a message on the user's talk page asking them to discuss changes. Perhaps seeing it come from me will make a difference. If not, we can explore other options. Sorry this is frustrating for you. - Philippe | Talk 21:22, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jean Thesman

I did try to discuss the issue with Valrith, but he/she did not give any indication to reasons for posting the comments about reliable sources. I created the article and the sources listed are very reliable and verifiable. Valrith so far is the only editor to make a claim otherwise. I am willing and encouraging of peer/administrator review of my sources and an objective decision made, not one based solely on one reader's spurious judgement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alwpoe (talk • contribs)

I think the concern in this case is that all the references appear to be from either the author or her publisher. In such a case, there's danger that we could be crossing out of our NPOV. Is it possible to find additional sources that could be added? Is there critical review of Jean's work that could be cited? - Philippe | Talk 21:41, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

There is very little written about Thesman, which is why I limited the article so drastically, and it makes no extraordinary claims about her or her life. Surely the fact that she has won some awards and her current home as recorded by major publishers can't be worthy of objection. I suppose the individual awards can be tracked down, but that seems capricious in that I haven't seen other authors require that level of sourcing.--Alwpoe 21:51, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hmpf.

So you're not yet on Wikibreak, you're up as late as I am, and you're blocking the vandals I was about to block. Hmpf. -- Merope 06:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I needed SOMETHING to do while I was waiting for the laundry! I'm packing! Hey, can you review my block of User talk:Apocalidiot? He was vandalizing, I zapped him for 24, and then he started adjusting the block notice, etc, to make it look like I was actually unblocking him. And doing it badly! So, I took him to indef for vandal-only account. Now he's whining. I don't mind if you reduce it if you think it should be, but someone other than I ought to review the block probably. - Philippe | Talk 06:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Looks like another insomniac beat me to it -- Can't sleep, clown will eat me indef-blocked and protected the page. Seems reasonable. -- Merope 06:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Monika Dutt

this seemed like a fairly clear assertion of N to me, whether or not it would have held up at AfD, and as one admin to another, you might want to consider whether it should have been deleted. I suggest you might want to look at the talk page of the editor who listed it for deletion. There seem to be well-justified complaints of POINT, & I would be very cautious with any of his nominations. DGG (talk) 07:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment and sugestion. I looked at it again after receiving your comment: I'm not sure I see an assertion of notability as required by WP:N - specifically, for politicians, Politicians who have held international, national or statewide/provincewide office, and members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislatures. The way I read the article she doesn't hold office, she holds the candidacy for office, through a run-off election. As you know, we don't typically list every candidate for office. In any case, I'm headed out of the country in about 10 minutes, so you're welcome to revert and undelete if you feel strongly about it. - Philippe | Talk 13:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Block

Why was this user blocked with the only reason being his name, which can be changed. He made two good faith edits before the block, which he wasn't warned about beforehand. This is a serious case of biting newcomers. I urge you to unblock him with an apology and ask him to change his name - Pheonix(talk) 19:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Pheonix15, and thanks for asking... the user's name is in violation of WP:U, because it promotes a commercial enterprise, Engine Room Recordings. Because, in particular, this user was editing articles ABOUT that commercial enterprise, there's very real danger of this being either a role account engaged in promotional activity, or being a general promotional account, we generally block those, while at the same time leaving instructions for how to change the name. If this user changes their name, they can have their contributions follow them to the new name. I might clarify, also, that this one came in through Usernames for Administrator Attention. - Philippe | Talk 19:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dog (disambiguation) protection

I don't object to your protection (and I'm certainly not going to undo it), but I'm not sure why it's needed. Both IPs are blocked for 24 hours, and there was no activity on the page from August 10 until now. I think it may be worth shortening the protection to a week, but that's my opinion, as month seems a bit too long to me. I'll let you decide. Acalamari 23:39, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I looked at the blocks - but since they're 24 hour blocks, I expect they'll be back. It seems to me that if we just sprotect the page, we don't really have to worry about the blocks... they'll be forced to register or leave it alone. If it were full protect, it's another thing - but sprotect is minimal damage in my mind. I'll drop the sprotect time back, though, you're probably right about that. - Philippe | Talk 00:47, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

That's a reasonable length then. We'll leave it at that. :) Acalamari 01:40, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] user:Zzuuzzmycock

Hi ther; you just username blocked this editor. As his name is not only offensive in itself, but clearly derives from the name of a well-respected wiki admin, did you consider applying a hardblock? Just a thought - your call. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 22:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought of it, but wasn't 100% sure the case was strong enough. Given that you thought the same thing, I'm going to modify to that. Thanks... I've never actually hardblocked on a username, and wasn't sure what the criteria were and didn't want to go overboard. - Philippe | Talk 22:12, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		I'm awarding you this RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar for your great contributions to protecting and reverting attacks of vandalism on Wikipedia. Wikidudeman (talk) 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, rock on - thanks!  :-) - Philippe | Talk 22:19, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for semi-protecting my user talk page. NHRHS2010 ^Talk 22:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

No worries, glad to help. - Philippe | Talk 22:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protected redirects cat

Hey. It's [[Category:Protected redirects]], not {{Category:Protected redirects}} :) --- RockMFR 23:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Bah, you're right. Brain freeze. - Philippe | Talk 23:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protection conflicts

Isn't it annoying when this happens? :) Acalamari 23:07, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... st00pid mediawiki... one of these days it will be able to just read our minds, eh? - Philippe | Talk 23:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Heh; that'd be funny. :) Acalamari 23:11, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not so sure I want that. My mind can be a scary scary place sometimes. We'd need to start censoring. - Philippe | Talk 23:13, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protection of White people

Thanks for protecting the article; I'm not sure if we'll have reached consensus by a week, but I will inform you if we need more protection. Thanks again! Neranei (talk) 01:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again! I am a new mediator, so I am hoping all goes well. Cheers, Neranei (talk) 01:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Swift response

Thank you for your speedy block of Jgeortsis. That was the first time I saw a vandal working in real time. —Kanodin 04:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem - that guy was on my watchlist, and when I saw people showing up to scold him on his talk, I took a look at it. Thanks for your help! - Philippe | Talk 04:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure that timed blocks are appropriate for this user. He is a vandalism-only account. Every one of his edits are either:

• Copy-and-paste: He copies the text from similarly named articles (or in one case, Encyclopedia Britannica) over the top of, or in the middle of existing articles. These cannot be simple misunderstandings. He took one of the "Marist Brothers" school pages, and pasted it over every other Marist Brothers article he could find internationally; or
• Signatures: He signs his name in the middle of articles, and sometimes changes his name in the signature to "MR X HACKER".

As a truly vandalism-only account, I believe this should be an indef block. Mark Chovain 04:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

He has been a bit of a nuisance, hasn't he? Let me do a more detailed look at his contributions and see if there's any reason to look at him as a good faith editor. If not, I'll consider an indef block (though, to be truthful, I hate them... but I know there are always cases where they make sense). - Philippe | Talk 04:45, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I normally don't like seeing them applied either, but I think some vandals pride themselves on seeing how long they can test our patience. Indef blocks seem less fun than a collection of n-day blocks. Your call. Mark Chovain 04:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

You made a good case, and in his entire contribs, I don't see anything that allows me to AGF here. He's indef blocked. Thanks for pointing it out. - Philippe | Talk 04:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

NP: Thanks for looking into it. I think he's got socks, too:

• Jgeorsis: [5]
• Test2007: [6](already indef blocked).

It could be a coincidence, or a copy-cat, but I'm going to go take a look for more that haven't been blocked. Mark Chovain 05:00, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Good catch. These critters tend to travel in groups. Let me know what you find, please. - Philippe | Talk 05:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Will do. I can't find anything in a quick look, but will spend time tonight working out how he finds his targets (they're all Islam-related, but I don't yet know how he found them). Mark Chovain 05:36, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam? —Kanodin 06:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks much

Thanks for being proactive, it's very much appreciated. (Especially since I'm still learning the wiki-ropes). --Bfigura ^(talk) 04:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

No worries, that's what I'm here for. Welcome! - Philippe | Talk 04:46, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protection at White people

I understand that page protection was requested by the cabal mediator. The mediation cabal is not an official process and the mediator has no special rights to call for protection. This mediator is new to WP with about two months of significant editing -- not the experience level to take this case. This page got a bit out of control yesterday and protection was probably warranted; however, unprotecting should be affected as soon as things calm down, and not at the behest of unacceptable mediator. We already have several experienced admins on watch here. --Kevin Murray 12:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

While I, of course, agree with you that medcab is not an official process, I independently verified that several of the active editors there were calling for page protection. Because of that, and the rather high level of activity there, I still believe that I made the right choice with protection. However, at the time, I consciously set the page protection for a relatively short period of time (only about a week). I am aware that there are several admins who are in that process, but one of them was one of the people calling for page protection and (wisely) suggesting that he should not be the one to handle the protection.

Thank you for your interest, and for your suggestion - for now, I'm going to leave the protection as is, but other admins may choose to disagree with me. - Philippe | Talk 14:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I think that your choice was wise except where your edit summary inflates the status of an yet unaccepted informal mediation. I realize that admins must freeze the page as they find it, at least initially; however, I think that we lost some significant compromise sections especially the photo gallery which has been no easy task to bring to neutral and was removed by a transient editor shortly before protection. --Kevin Murray 14:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

You're correct that admins would generally protect the page in whatever version they initially find it (the exception, of course, being if there were substantial vandalism to the page); one thing you might consider in this case is to use the talk page to determine if there is consensus to bring back things that were removed by the "transient editors" - if so, you could theoretically use the {{editprotected}} template to that they be put back in the article. You'll want to be sure that the discussion showing consensus is clearly available to the admin who would answer, but I can see where that could be used to get things back for you. - Philippe | Talk 15:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No 3RR violation

I did not violate the 3RR rule as I'm editing constructively. You cannot just divide the editors into two camps and count all the edits by some editor as reversions. If you look at all my edits today on the Hamas and Hezbollah page you can clearly see that I've been busy trying to find a reasonable solution to the issues raised. Count Iblis 20:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

You are quite correct, and if you check your talk page, you'll see that I had already removed the 3RR warning. It was issued in error, I clicked the wrong name. My apologies. - Philippe | Talk 20:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem :). Count Iblis 21:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

B.t.w., my experience with the 3RR rule is that it is often used as a tactical weapon in edit wars. Only in case of disruptive newcomers and vandals is this rule any good. You now often see established editors just reverting without discussing much, just giving "rv" as edit summary, because they are "entitled to 3 reversions". This is not really true according to the 3RR page, but it does reflect the practice. Count Iblis 21:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 71.172.225.72

Last night 71.172.225.72 was banned for 24 hours, due to incivility.

I just thought it should be mentioned that he recently posted this on his talk page.

I think that action should be taken.

--Mooshykris 22:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I protected his/her talk page and left a warning. - Philippe | Talk 22:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

No Problem

--Mooshykris 22:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not remarkable?

Philippe, I did not get to read the entry for my company Fair Trade Sports yet (do you still have it?), but please allow me to disagree with you that our new company is not remarkable. Here are three support points:

First, we are the first (and only) sports gear company in the US making certified child labor-free sports balls (Fairtrade Labeling Organization).

Second, we are the first (and only) sports gear company in the US making certified eco-friendly sports balls (Forest Stewardship Council).

Third, we are the first (and only) sports gear company in the US giving away all our after-tax profits to children's charities - same as the Newman's Own brand (popcorn, salad dressing, etc).

I'm not sure how the GoLite company can have an entry with nothing unique about them (although they do make great stuff - I love my gear from them), while our entry is deleted?

Your thoughts? --ScottJames 22:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi ScottJames - good question. First, I hope you'll indulge me in thanking you for your commitment to fair trade and social justice. On a personal note, I appreciate it. I'll leave a copy of this on your talk page as well, just to be sure that you get it. To answer your question more specifically, though, Wikipedia has some fairly well established standards for notability, and in the incarnation I saw, the article about your company didn't seem to meet them. I'll be happy to restore the article and place it in your userspace somewhere (we can work out where) so that you can take some time to pull the article up to standard, and then I'll help you move it to the main wiki, if you can demonstrate that you've met those standards. Our standards say:

A company, corporation, organization, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability. Once notability is established, primary sources may be used to add content. Ultimately, and most importantly, all content must be attributable.

The "secondary sources" in the criterion include reliable published works in all forms, such as (for examples) newspaper articles, books, television documentaries, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations1 except for the following:

• Press releases; autobiographies; advertising for the company, corporation, organization, or group; and other works where the company, corporation, organization, or group talks about itself—whether published by the company, corporation, organization, or group itself, or re-printed by other people.2 Self-published material or published at the direction of the subject of the article would be a primary source and falls under a different policy.

• Works carrying merely trivial coverage; such as (for examples) newspaper articles that simply report meeting times or extended shopping hours, or the publications of telephone numbers, addresses, and directions in business directories.

So, at this point, I just need to know if you'd like me to undelete the previous article to your userspace so that you can work on it or not. I wish you the best, and again thank you for your commitment to social justice. - Philippe | Talk 22:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah, great insight. Thank you. And thanks for the encouraging words.

Yes, I believe we can pass that criteria. A few examples:
~ Green Options interview: [7]
~ UtneCast podcast - The Future of Fair Trade: [8]
~ LA Daily News article - An Inhuman Price: [http://www.fairtradesports.com/wp-content/images/pdfs/TomHoffarthArticle.pdf ]
~ Plenty Magazine - Bend It Like Oxfam [9]
~ Outside Magazine - Walk the Walk: More Green Living Tips [10]
~ Sierra Club [11]
~ Coop America interview [12]
~ Grist - Have a (Sustainable) Ball: [13]

Please undelete the content at your convenience and place where you think is most appropriate. I can then add these media references with your approval. --ScottJames 00:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I've moved it to User:ScottJames/Fair Trade Sports for you. Good luck and let me know when you're ready to move it back out! - Philippe | Talk 00:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've updated it with the secondary source references. Is it fit to go live? --ScottJames 04:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, we're off to a good start - it reads like an advertisement though. What you'll need to do is to use those secondary sources to write something about the company - what ARE the sources saying? Tell us about the company in a way that's encyclopedic, not advertising. If it goes live like it is now, I guarantee it'll get killed as an advertisement. It needs to be written from a neutral point of view, and as a critical, balanced article. You might check out what has been written about other companies and use that as a starting point. - Philippe | Talk 04:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the guidance on this, Philippe. Using Newman's Own as my guide (since we use it as our business model guide, too), I've made another draft. I know you are quite busy. When you have a chance this week, your constructive criticism would be appreciated.

--ScottJames 05:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy Deletion?

Phillipe, I am inquiring as to why my second entry for JJBuckley.com was deemed unacceptable? Can you please specify what the submission lacked/contained? Their latest move to become the first carbon-neutral distributor/retailer is indeed remarkable, enough so that the effort has been covered by Food & Wine, The Seattle Times, Wine Spectator, and a number of eco-focused publications. Any help you can provide so that I may re-shape it to fit the guidelines would be more than appreciated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bellman123 (talk • contribs).

You know, I'm embarrassed to say that I'm not sure WHAT I was thinking when I deleted that one. It's a little weak on references (we normally encourage multiple references, see above) but that in and of itself isn't enough to get it speedy deleted. I've restored it, with my apologies. It's probably not safe from AFD yet - get some more cites in it - but it really shouldn't have been speedied. Again, my apologies. - Philippe | Talk 00:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for page protection

Thanks, Alison! I appreciate the kind words. - Philippe | Talk 01:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User talk:Biggspowd

I had never heard of that guy until tonight, when he modified an article I was watching. I soon saw a pattern of him trying to downplay or diminish anything that had to do with death or illness from smoking. I don't know if that's been a recurring theme, or just something he latched onto for vandalism or rabble-rousing purposes... but thank you for doing it. :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

No probl... I did reduce the length of his block, but it's still a substantial one, and he's appealing it. I stand by it though, he's got a block history that's pretty long. He called tonight a minor error or some such... <grin> - Philippe | Talk 02:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

The devil made him do it. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 03:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, he's pretty upset right now. <grin> - Philippe | Talk 03:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

The user, or the devil? Or both? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 03:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Could go either way, but I meant the user. - Philippe | Talk 03:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

When someone engages in a continuous loop of vandalizing and getting blocked, it makes you wonder. I've been blocked twice in my 2 1/2 years here. Both times it was deserved, and I sat it out quietly. One thing I know for sure: no one vandalizes like that "by mistake". Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 03:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe he'll see the error of his ways and recant... I doubt it though. The next one will be indef. Some vandals grow up, others lose interest, and others get indef'd. I'm taking bets on this one. - Philippe | Talk 03:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I haven't bothered to look back at his history, but I'm guessing this smoking issue is just something he latched onto for the purpose of causing trouble. That's typical troll behavior. It doesn't matter what the issue is, it's the "game" that matters to those users. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 03:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

You might want to reconsider that block shortening. He's just attempted to vandalize his own talk page (seems like blocked users can't create working redirects?) and left an uncivil edit summary with a personal attack [14]. The Parsnip! 03:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that. I'm gonna leave it as is, though. He's allowed to be mad at me, I blocked him. His SPELLING (of "yourselfs" [sic]) is what's really offensive though! I'm just gonna keep an eye on him once the block expires and if he crosses the line I'll make it indef. - Philippe | Talk 03:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

If they blocked all the bad spellers, it would lighten traffic considerably. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 03:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Spirit

Philippe, I understand that I violated the 3RR. However, why did you not block Eric? I'm sure you don't have the time to wander through the history of these things, but will have seen that I added accurate and pertinent information and he unilaterally reverted. I'm sure it's the same old story but if the 3RR is applicable to my addition, it must certainly be applicable to Eric's reversions. Eric's edits did not fall under the Exceptions in Wikipedia:Three-revert rule. It appears to me that Eric has taken an Wikipedia:Ownership of articles posture that isn't helpful. Particularly, in view of the fact that my addition of Executive Producers is exactly what the example in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines provides for. If this persists, I will ask for mediation since Eric's position seems a little arbitrary and capricious.

Dawgknot 13:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 71.172.225.72 (Take Two)

I was looking at my watchlist, and I saw this: Kingda Ka‎; 16:51 . . (-778) . . User:Coaster1983 (Talk | contribs) (Removed Kingda Ka's shoulder restraints vs. Top Thrill Dragster's lap-bar restraints section as it does not have a non-Wikipedia source).

Looking through the article, I saw that once again, 71.172.225.72 is making un-called for edits to these articles, and I feel it needs to be stopped. --Mooshykris 22:40, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brock Lesnar

The Lesnar article was screwed up. Looks like you copied directly from the talk page as opposed to copying the source code. Mshake3 03:13, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Bah, you're correct, of course. I've fixed it now, I think. - Philippe | Talk 03:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Troublesome user

Hi, you recently semiprotected Lorna Fitzgerald per my request. However an account user has began to reinclude the information not only to this article, but also to the actor's character, Abi Branning. I had originally thought that it was only an anonymous ip, but user Ln of x seems to have acquired an account merely to reinclude this POV statement. He/she has ignored requests to stop. I dont want to get into an edit war, can you suggest what I can do from here? Regards Gungadin♦ 19:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing it to my attention: I blocked the user for violating the 3 Revert Rule on Abi Branning. If there continue to be problems, let me know, or report it to WP:AIV. - Philippe | Talk 19:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with this :) Gungadin♦ 20:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eh em...

You deleted my Tejas Club page, saying it was blatant copyright infringement. I'm the web master for the official site - tell me what I need to fix to get it back up and running.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Amb975 (talk • contribs) 20:13, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Thomas McPherson Brown

I rewrote all sections that violated copyright. Now they are in my own wordsSuperperro 04:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

• Great, thanks for the rewrite! - Philippe | Talk 04:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:The amazing Magic idiot

I edit conflicted you with on blocking this guy but you got there first it seems. Don't you think he's had enough chances? I was going for an indefblock - seemed like a pretty obvious case for one. Can't see what will change in a week given that his last block seems to have had little impact. WjBscribe 04:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

You know, I guess because I'm still fairly new I tend to be a little conservative with the blocks. He's had one before, and I hate to go straight from 31 hours to indef, but I won't object if you want to adjust the block. I appreciate you talking to me about it first though.  :-) - Philippe | Talk 04:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

It may be worth noting that this user likely also edits as 69.159.194.244, who has an almost identical history. This user is basically twice as bad as you think ;). Mark Chovain 05:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Good enough for me. I made the previous block indef and 6 month blocked the IP. (I don't want to indef block an IP. Makes me nervous. Wouldn't be prudent. - Philippe | Talk 05:40, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Yep - Best not to block the anons for more than a short time. Even in this case (where it's obviously a static IP), you never know if/when the user changes ISP, and the next user to get the IP will clearly be put off if they're indef blocked. Mark Chovain 06:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PeopleSupport

Thanks for the quick action in semi-protecting the article! Soulrefrain 06:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

My pleasure. Happy wiki! - Philippe | Talk 22:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-protection for List of Konoha Ninja

So after the 26th, the month-long notice goes away and the padlock appears in the upper right of the page? BrokenSphere^{Msg me} 20:05, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the protection notice is driven by a template in the page, {{pp-semi-vandalism|small=yes}} - I've changed it to that template, which just gives the padlock. If you want the protection notice to appear instead, change that template to {{sprotect}}. - Philippe | Talk 22:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm used to seeing the padlock as an indication that a page's protected status is at least indefinite. Thanks for responding to my posting on the RFPP so quickly, you've improved the quality of Wikilife for the regular patrollers of the page that much better. BrokenSphere^{Msg me} 22:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words. :-) - Philippe | Talk 23:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plastic pipe fittings & valves

Philippe please can you help me protect the above page from msjapan? There is lots to discuss about sockpuppets and other stuff but msjapan keeps deleting an article which does have merit and the references are genuine not as msjapan says.--Huwjarce 14:20, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ancient Egypt and race

Did you look to the talk page? I am trying to invite people to respect the old version of the article. Then to discuss changes. I have been involved in the editing war to try to arrive to a compromise. Sorry for all this trouble. Egypt and race is a sensitive matter. I hope that things will come back to normal. Thanks for the remarks.--Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka 22:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I did look at the talk page. I have also protected the page. The edit war on that page is out of control. - Philippe | Talk 22:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

Thanks for your message about sprotecting Body nullification and offering to sprotect my user page as well. At this point, I think I will leave it be, the IP only edited it once and hopefully will disappear now. Perhaps I have now reached some sort of Wikipedia milestone by having my user page vandalized ;) Risker 04:16, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why have I been blocked

My account, User:Ln of x, has been blocked for 72 hrs for some bizarre reason. All the edits I made were perfectly valid yet my user account was (and still is) blocked. WTF ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.69.124.97 (talk) 14:52, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

That account was blocked because you persisted in putting in unencyclopedia and unreferenced edits such as "Abi, much like the very talented actress Lorna Fitzgerald that plays her, is often described as adorable. She is incredibly cute and cuddly. You just want to put your arms around her and cuddle her. She is sparkly and innocent, kind and caring, confident and adorable."

You were warned several times that that was inappropriate tone for the encyclopedia. I stand by the block. - Philippe | Talk 15:56, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't really understand why this sockpuppet thing is taken so seriously. I'm only signing in with this username now (I don't use this account for 'sockpuppetting') because it's the only way I can contact you. I actually made the edit to Lewis carol this morning and I assumed it would be ok to edit it as User 84.69.124.97 since it allowed me to edit the article. I didn't realise you can't edit as an anon user whilst your account is blocked.

You seemed to take it well seriously, you've blocked my IP address for 6 months !! Don't you think that's a bit harsh ? I'm sorry if I offended you that much but 6 months is ridiculous. Please could you reduce it. (I'm thinkin' to 1 or 2 days). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blink182rulesrock (talk • contribs) 17:19, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

What would make you think that it's okay to edit while you're blocked? You know you're blocked... you can't log in... so you go and put the same edits to another page as the ones that got you blocked? Evading a block is a big deal. On the block message that I left on your talk page is instructions for how to appeal a block. That's your only option. And by the way, if I find that you've made edits with this account, I'll block it too. - Philippe | Talk 17:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

What a surprise it was for me to see that when you logged in with this account you left the same type of messages that got you blocked on the last two. I'm surprised! Shocked! Horrified! OK, now I'm a little over the top. I've blocked this sock of yours as well. - Philippe | Talk 17:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help

Hello. As i understood there was an article on Alexander Kostarev that you deleted. I belive thats importent to have an article about him on Wikipedia because in the Russian Prog scene his considered to be one of the most importent figures. I didnt see the article when it was here, and if you could, please leave a copy of the article on my talk page and i would see if it could be improved. M.V.E.i. 17:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll try to find more links and expand the article. I case it workd out i will upload it here first. In case it won't, i will let you know anyway. M.V.E.i. 18:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Done

User:M.V.E.i./prog

You can see the new article here. As you can see, i wrote a real biography and added links. I also puted the article in the categories that fit here. If you have no problems with it, i will uload it after i hear your opinion. M.V.E.i. 20:19, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd ideally like to see a statement that supports notability: awards, top selling records, something like that... as it is, I can't guarantee that it'll get past an AfD, but it's a lot better than it was! I certainly wouldn't speedy it now. - Philippe | Talk 20:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Modern progressive rock isn't selling much, it's not mainstream, it's almost"underground" (try to tell me a name of a known Progressive rock band that started inthe 2000s and not in the 70s or 90s?). But he appeared in the InProg festival three times, which is the main progressive rock festival in Russia. Once you become a cult figure in the Russian prog scene, only then you'r invited there. If you would know Russian you could read here his name as one of the most importent figures of Russian progressive & art rock. M.V.E.i. 21:02, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

This link will help you to understand his some about him. I didn't copy the compliments from hear so the objectivety wouldn't get hurt: http://www.raig.ru/kostarev.asp M.V.E.i. 21:11, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

The problem here is WP:MUSIC - we need to establish his notability in a method that would be accepted by that guideline, so... you need to somehow prove that he meets one of the criteria on that page. - Philippe | Talk 21:39, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok lets see. I judge by the Criteria for composers and lyricists on the Others. By the first it fits "Has been listed as a major influence or teacher of a composer, songwriter or lyricist that meets the above criteria", because he was the ine who practically started the Zappa thing in the USSR. The whole Prog scene in Russia is influenced by him. He appears in the big festival as i said he is noted as one of the most importent prog & art scene in the second link i gave you. He also fits "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a musician or ensemble that qualifies above, a notable theatre, or has been taken up by a musician or ensemble that qualifies above". again, in the Russian link i gave you it's written: позже сотрудничал с С. Курехиным, С. Летовым, оркестром театра «Ромэн». Which meanse he worked with a theatre Romen, a known one, and with Yegor Letov. In the "Others" he fits "Is cited in reliable sources as being influential in style, technique, repertory or teaching in a particular music genre". The Russian link i gave you and other links i gave their state about him being one of the most importent in Russian prog scene and that he was of those who started it back in the 70s. And he fits "Is frequently covered in publications devoted to a notable sub-culture". I gave their links fro, different Prog sites, including Russian, who praise him. M.V.E.i. 21:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, if you're satisfied that the article meets those requirements (and clearly spells that out in the article) then move it out to mainspace and good luck! :-) - Philippe | Talk 21:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, i moved it. Nice working with you. M.V.E.i. 22:07, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Thats it, i think the work is done. I also did some Redirect things with words like Kostarev, Kostarev Group and CosMoBob. M.V.E.i. 22:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Great, I did a few minor spelling corrections. :-) - Philippe | Talk 00:57, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] recent block

good move buddy ;) Ryan4314 04:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad I could help. Keep up the good reports to AIV. - Philippe | Talk 04:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Deleting warnings

However, as an IP I'm pretty sure he doesn't know how to set up an archive and from his past warnings, I thought he was a disruptive one. --Hasek is the best 04:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I never knew that. --Hasek is the best 04:27, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Water Lilies page move

I noticed that, after correcting some vandalism, you moved the Water Lilies article to Water Lillie. Isn't Water Lilies the correct English title, or am I wrong? Zagalejo 04:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, it's been resolved. Thanks for catching the vandals. Zagalejo 06:21, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Yikes, I'm glad someone caught that. Bad enough to not be plural, but spelled wrong! I have got to get more sleep before fixing redirects. - Philippe | Talk 19:28, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry to bother you again

Hello. I created a new article about another band, Disen Gage. I would like to hear your opinion about it, if theres anything i could improve here. Thank you (you can answer here on your talk page i will re-visit it). M.V.E.i. 15:12, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll be thrilled to look at it, but can't right this very moment (this was a quick on and off trip) but be patient with me, and I'll look at it - probably later tonight. - Philippe | Talk 19:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem, not in a hurry. I will go to sleep now so take your time, i'll be here again tomorrow in the evening and i will see here what you write. Thanks. M.V.E.i. 19:34, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for deletion

Would you mind deleting this redirect per WP:CSD#R2? I made a mistake when I was creating a draft for the article. Thanks, — Zerida 19:23, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Done.  :-) - Philippe | Talk 19:27, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hencer rocks

A block-conflict again. I've extended this account's block to indefinite. It's a sole purpose attack/trolling account and I see no basis for the accusations being made. Given the pages it edited it obviously isn't a newbie so I don't think biting is a concern. Given that I see no chance of there editing behaviour improving in the future, I think an indefblock is appropriate. Hope you don't mind too much... WjBscribe 03:56, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I have absolutely no objection and totally trust your judgment. No worries from me. - Philippe | Talk 03:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ummm...about that offer to sprotect my user page...

Well, now that both of our user pages have been vandalized by the same really bad prose (I've reverted yours too), it seems my anonymous IP "friend" has extended his desire to share his lack of literary talent with both of us now. I think I would like to take you up on your offer to sprotect my user page, when you have a chance. Thanks. Risker 02:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Greater Grace World Outreach

Philippe! You did a semi-protection request for the above article today, and the IP user has re-activated an old account and circumvented the edits. Any chance of a block? Cheers :D Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 09:28, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, can you convince me that the user is not making good faith edits? Any good faith edit is by definition NOT vandalism. - Philippe | Talk 21:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ==Username: Nokian70==

It seems i was blocked under the above user name beacuse it was a product name. I choose it because i use it for other forum. If possible would like to change it to westendboy. I would be grateful if you would help me. unblock temporary so i can apply for the changes.. thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.130.130 (talk) 12:50, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

• The block of Nokian70 for being like a product name is just silly. You'd better block me for being the name of a character in the LOTR series. If you want more accounts to block on such grounds, let me know...I'll give you hundreds. Unblock Nokian70. --Durin 13:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

It looks like ^demon already handled an unblock. I'll tell you, I don't think I was off base on this block, but evidently there are a few people who do. My feeling is that just as I'd block someone whose name was Lexus300E as a promotional username, I should do the same with Nokian70. In both cases, they promote not just a product but the company making the product. In any case, it's over, and ^demon has unblocked and told the user they don't need to change their username, and I'm certainly not going to get into a wheelwar over it and potentially alienate a good user. - Philippe | Talk 21:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unflair block of User : ln of x

It's unbelievable how user : ln of x has been blocked from editing, just for making true and useful contributions. It just goes to show how sad you are, philippe, if that is how you get your kicks. By the way, learn to spell your name. For a boy, note ; PHILIP, not the gay effeminate version philippe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Return of the ln (talk • contribs)

It's a pity that you feel it's necessary to run other people down to feel good about yourself. By the way, that sock is blocked too, now. - Philippe | Talk 21:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Blocked by me. This isn't the first time we've had sockpuppets vandalising articles related to EastEnders. Take a look at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Danh90 and especially the talk page to see what we've had to put up with! Thanks for dealing with these vandals and sockpuppets. — AnemoneProjectors (会話) 22:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

And thank you for your timely block! - Philippe | Talk 22:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Our earlier discussion

So, any chance that it's worth bothering? Feel free to email me. THF 22:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Yep, I'm composing an email now. Things look good. - Philippe | Talk 05:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User talk:Globlefashion

I hadn't seen this exact situation before, so I tagged it to see how another admin would handle it. You took care of it quickly and efficiently - well done!--Kubigula (talk) 04:32, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, glad to help out! - Philippe | Talk 04:34, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AN/I section

Thanks for closing that, I hope it's not out of process to do what i did, reporting back and such. I doubt it is, but I'd like to be sure. ThuranX 05:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem at all. Thanks so much! - Philippe | Talk 05:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Info box prompting discussion

Hi Philippe,

Thanks for your notice regarding the protection on the 0845 number and 0870 number. Unfortunately, anonymous users still keep reverting my changes, but I realise that it needs significantly more vandalism before it can be protected.

The people making the changes never cite the reason for reverting my changes, but it seems to be because they don't like the idea of people being able to find the geographic "free" alternatives to their costly numbers. Is there any kind of info box I could put on those pages to prompt a debate or discussion by these people so we can decide whether or not the link can stay "officially"? Unfortunately, them being anonymous probably means they won't want to debate it, but it is worth a try.

James —Preceding unsigned comment added by JGXenite (talk • contribs) 09:10, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I think I missed something

You're an admin? Jeez, I missed that entirely while I was out of town... Congratulations, admittedly pretty belated. -FisherQueen (Talk) 11:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

• <grin> Thanks! Yeah, I've been an admin for a month and a half or so. Plenty of time to make half the wiki mad at me. (The other half WOULD be mad, they just haven't come across any of my work yet!) I'm enjoying the pretty new buttons though. - Philippe | Talk 19:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unfair Blocks

Why is it that any account that makes any edits to Abi Branning or Lorna Fitzgerald is automatically blocked ? It seems very strange. Why can't people edit these articles constructively just like any other article ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avarules (talk • contribs) 12:53, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to test this theory; I've just made an edit to Lorna Fitzgerald, and if I'm immediately blocked, then I'll know that the above editor's theory is correct. -FisherQueen (Talk) 13:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't see your edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avarules (talk • contribs) 13:12, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

I can. I congratulate FQ on being brave enough to risk certain blocking to make an edit. Unfortunately, she proved your premise incorrect. - Philippe | Talk 19:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks