Talk:Philosophy of education
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[edit] Help
Help with the absences in this article would be much appreciated, particularly with Aristotle and Locke, on both of whom I am weak.--kaleideion
- I think the History section is probably long enough already. Do we need a separate article for it?
- -- TimNelson (talk) 03:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Hannah Arendt
Hannah Arendt largely avoided education as a subject, but she did so for reasons which are very interesting to educational philosophy. Her thoughts on the subject are recorded in one of the essays collected in Between Past and Future, entitled, "The Crisis in Education." In this essay, Arendt proceeds to argue that any attempt to create democracy through educational methods was a form of tyranny... (Continuation pending)
I have read Arendt essay in german, but that any attempt to create democracy through educational methods was a form of tyranny is nit from her! Look at my german article about that: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Krise_in_der_Erziehung --Ot 12:08, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Horribly sorry, but I don't know any German. Could you summarize the pertinent points in English? -- कुक्कुरोवाच|Talk‽ 18:35, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Sorry, my english is not good enough to translate it. However, I think that Arendt only make some notes about education - and this notes are about the education system of the USA. For example, she said, that it is not possible to educate (erziehen in german [its hard to get a good english word for that] adults, but it is possible to teach (lehren) adults.--Ot 10:04, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Democracy
This is a good start to an article; it obviously needs some filling out. I think I know what you are aiming at, but I have serious concerns about claiming the mainstream of educational philosophy to be a democratic tradition. Plato advocated a republic, which is very different from a democracy. Rousseau said about democracy, "Were there a people of gods, their government would be democratic. So perfect a government is not for men," and gave equal voice to democracy, aristocracy and monarchy in his political philosophy. And so on. Democracy is not the word for what they are all seeking. Free individualities? I'm not sure...
I'm also not sure that an article that must preserve a neutral point of view can realistically take one stream as the preferred one. On the other hand, a purely chronological list is probably not ideal, either. I would like to see a differentiation based upon something more viable in the Wikipedia setting.
I deleted a whole paragraph of the introduction (sorry); perhaps some of this is still salvageable. Here it is if someone wishes to revise it and reincorporate it.
There are certain key voices in philosophy of education, who have contributed in large part to our basic understandings of what education is and can be, and who have also provided powerful critical perspectives revealing the problems in education as it has been practiced in various historical circumstances. There is one particular strand in educational philosophy that stands out as of extreme importance in the present time, which may be identified as the "Democratic Tradition", because it is a product of philosophers who, seeking to establish or preserve democracy, turn to education as a method of choice.
[edit] how is philosophy related to education?
Philosophy treats of all subjects. There is a philosophy of history, a philosophy of science and a philosophy of education! Hgilbert 00:51, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Source
What is the source on this ??Improvcaptain
- Do you mean on anything in particular, or on the whole article itself? Cormaggio @ 01:03, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Who came up with the philosophy itself Improvcaptain
my question is how is it the philosophy related to education.....thats what i want to hear fromt he reader......please answer us....philosophist.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.87.182.142 (talk) 01:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Plato
This section is horribly anachronistic and misleading. Plato probably did NOT advocate the educational reforms mouthed by Socrates in the Republic, the City-State formulated therein is likely more thought-experiment than prescription for a actual society. I won't fix the article, because it is exactly this sort of thing that makes me think Wikipedia is hopeless.
[edit] John Holt, unschooling
Shouldn't there be some mention of John Holt and the 'unschooling' philosophy? I think he's probably roughly as relevant to the article as others mentioned, like John Taylor Gatto. I'm going to add a small section. Amillion 04:21, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Philosophy or theory (Merge)
Does someone want to expound on the difference between education philosophy and education theory - besides the fact that the two articles are completely imbalanced in content? – Freechild (BoomCha) 03:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- No difference, basically. I've put in a merge request, and we'll see the response. -- TimNelson (talk) 02:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Should Seymour Papert be added?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructionist_learning —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.232.221.61 (talk) 12:35, August 22, 2007 (UTC)
- After a quick glance over the article, isn't he a part of Educational progressivism? I've added a link to Constructionist learning from that article. It could also be a branch of Constructivism, and I note that article already has an appropriate link.
- Maybe the question we should really be asking is, "Who belongs here, and how do we categorise them?
[edit] Removed from article
I found the following pasted in to the article, under "Content of Education":
* meaning of philosophy and philosophy of education based on analytical school of philosophy functions of philosophy ( speculatative, analytical and prescriptive, and conceptual)
It seems to me like it was more like a "list of things that need to be added to this article", so I moved it here.
I don't know where it belongs, but it's not here.
-- TimNelson (talk) 01:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Removed from todo list
I found this in the todo list, but it's really a discussion point:
- The term "counter-philosophy" is used in this article without explanation of what a "counter-philosophy" is. Is this a ligitimate and meaningful term?
-- TimNelson (talk) 02:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Education reform merger
I completely disagree with this proposal, and will soon removed the tag if there is no due rationale presented here for the merger. "Education reform" is the topic of millions of citations from across the educational cannon. This is a completely unacceptable proposal. • Freechild'sup? 01:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
