Talk:Phillips, Craig and Dean

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[edit] Oneness?

I remember hearing some criticism of the group because at least one of the members (I believe it was Randy Phillips) had been accused of teaching a "Oneness" doctrine.

Should this be mentioned? WAVY 10 16:04, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about the theology of phillips or dean but, Shawn Craig definitely was (and maybe still is) oneness when I knew him personally in the mid-1980's. Shawn Craig was the music minister of a United Pentecostal Church located in St. Louis Missouri which at the time was in transition from a "traditional - holiness" pentecostal church to a church similar to charismatic yet to my knowledge retained the oneness doctrine. This church is now know as "South County Christian Center" The transition was influence by Steve Munsy the son in law of the former pastor "Roy Gerald" whom Craig suceeded as pastor. I don't know what more to say about this beloved brother other than he was mighty in faith and love for Christ. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.132.95.79 (talk) 21:32, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

I think that http://aomin.org/PCD.html should be included in the links with a mention about Oneness. Any entry on Phillips, Craig and Dean as Christian artists should make their beliefs (or lack of) about the Trinity clear. See John MacArther's book, The Truth War, for a more eloquent discussion on this issue. Finally, consider that groups such as the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses have a love for Christ but do not believe that Christ is their sole means of salvation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.170.184.157 (talk) 16:23, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Ahhh, but oneness christians do believe in Christ as their sole means of salvation. I have a question for you who are dogmatic about the "trinity" Have you ever seen the GodHead...? Personally, I dont know what the configuration of the GodHead looks like I never seen it. Furthermore, every bit of my personal doctrine is as a result of exhaustive study on any particular subject. I have yet to study the scriptures concerning the GodHead and I most certainly will not be dogmatic about the configuration thereof just because "my church" teaches it. That is called brain washing. Here is another one to chew on. Do you really believe, I mean really believe that those 3,000 jews that were added to the church on the day of pentecost immediately realized that Jesus was God and that the GodHead was a trinity...????? Or, was it sufficient for their salvation to accept that the man, Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah..??? The didache and the apostles creed is not scripture it is garbage. Do the work necessary to develope your own creed or be brain washed. Those are your alternatives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.132.95.79 (talk) 02:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes they knew. Your assumption is just that... an assumption that decides what they did or did not know at the time. It also ignores Acts 2:36 where Peter specifically tells them that God had made Jesus "both Lord AND Christ". Also, you ignore Acts 2:40 where the account tells us that "with many other words he warned them". It is a huge leap of logic to declare that the doctrine of the trinity was certainly not among those "many other words" that Peter shared... especially after Thomas had called Christ, "My Lord and my God!" [John 20:28] and Peter himself had told Jesus, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." [Matt 16:16] Also present was the Apostle John, who in his gospel declared that, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning." [John 1:1-2] These passages of Scripture point to the "garbage" that was explained more clearly in the later works of the Church. Anti-trinitarianism is contrary to Scripture. It denies the words of Christ when he says, "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit," [Matt 28:19] where Christ clearly presents three persons, but mentions only one name. In the NAME [Singular, not names] of... Father... Son... Holy Spirit. One God. One name. Three persons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.155.211.192 (talk) 19:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Oneness also goes back to the heresy propagated by Arius, which is now called Arianism, that is embraced by the Jehova Witnesses, Mormons and the old World Wide Church of God to name a few. Read about Athanasius vs. Arius and the Council of Nicea. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Daddysapp 19:54, 15 November 2007 (UTC)]] comment added by 129.9.26.41 (daddysapp) 19:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)