Talk:Philipp Mainländer

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[edit] Philip Batz talk

The following copied from the Philip Batz talk pages.

Article listed on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion Apr 23 to Apr 29 2004, consensus was to keep. Discussion:

Nonsense, probably could have been speedily deleted. The name gets 30 Google hits, none in English. RickK 04:38, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete if not verified -- Cyrius|&#9998 05:06, Apr 23, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. I've found him on enough serious German language philosophy sites. Almost exclusively under the name Mainländer though... The article itself is terrible, place in Cleanup. Pteron 06:27, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Move to Cleanup and lose the first-person POV. Maybe this can be expanded on. - Lucky 6.9 16:19, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep and cleanup. Postdlf 22:58 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep and revise. Cribcage 01:29, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep (especially since I just revised it). DS 01:27, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

End discussion

I have made this page a redirect and put the contents on Philipp Mainländer as, like Pteron, I only found him under this name. I've also cleaned it up a bit. Bookgirl 15:00, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

End Philipp Batz stuff

[edit] This and that

Sorry, Non-vandal, I didn’t know that you don’t put non-breakable spaces before superscript numbers here—that’s how it’s done in German typography, and I simply adopted that practice. However, that punctuation marks (including braces and quotes) which are directly attached to an italicised part are italicised as well, should be the case in English typography as well. At least that’s how I know it from English literature, and WP:MOS doesn’t suggest otherwise.

Another thing: That Mainländer’s mental collaps wasn’t “dissimilar to the collapse Nietzsche would suffer only years later” may not be essential knowledge, but—in my opinion—at least notable trivia, particularly with regard to the philosophical closeness of the two men. In any case, that hasn’t anything to do with my point of view, nor with original research, but is actually a widely known fact, which is referred to quite often by Mainländer researchers.

Sorry for being so fussy, I just can’t help it. ↗ Holger Thølking 16:45, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

No matter how "widely known" a "fact" it is, it still needs referencing. You simply cannot draw such parallels and connections unless some source (ie., a scholar's) says as much, because that makes it original research; not only that, the sentence after talks about Mainländer's "megalomania" - you do see a problem with this, no? it makes a connection between Nietzsche's "illness" and Mainländer's, which isn't accurate. The bottom line, though I don't know how things are done on the German wiki, which is smaller than the English wiki, here it has everything to do with your opinion and original research. You might want to further familiarize yourself with WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, WP:VER and WP:RS to see what exactly I mean. If Mainländer researchers (I mean "scholars") mention it so often, then it shouldn't be too difficult for you to reinsert it. For now, I've removed the statement.Non-vandal 23:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
If I write that, let’s say, Schopenhauer was the originator of pessimism, I surely wouldn’t have to quote a scholar to substantiate such a truism. Independent of which Wikipedia we talk about (and peronally I believe the main reason for the German Wikipedia being smaller than the English one is, it doesn’t have articles about each individual The Simspons episode and character). ↗ Holger Thølking 14:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I'll ignore your quip-like remarks and be frank: you would surely be wrong about "truisms", which are not on that account ever "true", even if the words sound so similar. I must ask you again to consider seriously where I'm coming from as regards this very specific obligation of Wikipedians. As for the quip about Simpsons: size per se wasn't my point, but the demand that is placed upon a large institutional framework - which has also been running much longer than any other language wiki out there; in other words, take it seriously when there are long-enduring guidelines to follow. I would also like to point out one more thing. We are all here attempting to do the same thing: make an excellent encyclopedia - we must recognize such a burden as it is. Anyway, thank you for providing the sources as they are required. I don't think I'll bother you any time soon if that proves to you a problem. Have a good day.Non-vandal 18:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I always used the word “truism” equivalent to the German “Binsenweisheit”, which simply refers to a commonly known information—thanks for correcting me. And I am perfectly aware about this project’s guidelines, including “no original research”—I simply regarded a source unnecessary for this special information. Anyway, there’s nothing more to be said. ↗ Holger Thølking 19:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Translations

Have any of Mainlander's works been translated into English (or any other language, for that matter?) Alcmaeonid 15:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)