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Brynn Hartman Talk Page

The case is in the books as an "unsolved case" because the killer was never brought to justice as she killed herself, therefore eliminating all hope of completely investigating the case. Therefore questions surrounding the case remain unsolved. So even though we know who did it, the circumstances behind Hartman's murder will never be known. The category of "Unsolved Murders" is hereby reinstated.

You and OJ can join forces to find 'the real killer'!

What are you saying? That all murders in which the murderer is killed are unsolved - and unsolvable? I don't want to put words in your mouth, but if that's what you believe, then you're crazy. Mirror Vax 22:54, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The idea that this case is "Unsolved" is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Brynn Hartman KILLED Phil Hartman. CASE SOLVED. 17:45, 30 June 2005

I believe the whole point of the original message was to point out that there isn't just the Killer and the Victim in any case of murder: you must also take in consideration a) the circumstances and b) the ultimate cause (the second partially resulting from the first, obviously enough). The truth is that, ultimately, it is impossible to determine a perfectly explicit, and rationably acceptable reason for the occurence, for the fact that there were no witnesses, and both of those involved have been eliminated. So personally, I see a reasonable (though not ideal) reasoning behind the classification of the case as an "Unsolved Murder", though ultimately, it doesn't make much of a difference classification-wise, what with it not being a particularly explicit example. Still, to sum um what was said as "the stupidest thing [one has] ever seen" seems somewhat counterproductive to the construction of a proper article. Anyway, moving on. Zeppocity 17:55, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

I just got an email from Butch Hartman stating:

"I am NOT PHil Hartman's brother. That's a rumor that is incorrect.

Thanks -

Butch Hartman"

All I did was go to his website and ask.

goto Butch Hartman's imdb page for resolution--Muchosucko 1 July 2005 21:11 (UTC)

I have seen A LOT of false information on imdb.com. It's not that hard to add incorrect data. --Methelfilms 1 July 2005 21:48 (UTC)

If this is true, then the Butch Hartman article needs a major overhaul. As it stands right now, IMDb is conflicting itself and the diff between the two articles imply that both Phil and Butch Harman were born from the same parents: Rupert Hartmann and Doris Hartmann. Would you mind including this email you received, complete with headers, here on the talk page? Hall Monitor 1 July 2005 21:17 (UTC)

This is the entire email I got from Mr. Hartman. I am blanking out the email addresses, because I don't think they should be public. Methelfilms 1 July 2005 21:38 (UTC)

Subj: Re: Question

Date: 6/30/2005 11:30:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: XXX@XXX.XXX

To: XXX@XXX.XXX

Sent from the Internet (Details)

I am NOT PHil Hartman's brother. That's a rumor that is incorrect.

Thanks -

Butch Hartman

XXX@XXX wrote: There is a rumor going around that you are the late Phil Hartman's brother. I'm correcting an encyclopedic entry for him, and if you could confirm or deny this, that would be wonderful,

Thanks!

Contents 1 Murder suicide 2 Frank Sinatra 3 Education 4 photo in infobox 5 artwork photos 6 Other works in progress when he died... 7 too much personal info? 8 Futurama voices 9 Plagiarism 10 Brynn Last Name 11 BLP concerns 12 review 13 Privacy concerns 14 Blasto

[edit] Murder suicide

Near the bottom, it refers to Hartman's death as a "murder/suicide", while there is an article on the correct term, murder suicide. Should this be changed? ShadowMan1od 19:38, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

• Yes, it should be. Thanks for pointing that out methelfilms 05:20, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Frank Sinatra

Should it be added in the Trivia section that Hartman died exactly two weeks after Frank Sinatra (whom he impersonated) died?

Definitely not. --Evildevil 18:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't see the coincidence. Even if they died on the same day, it would hardly be a coincidence. Phil Hartman played alot of characters. Taco325i 03:46, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Education

It lists him as an alumni in the Wikipedia's Cal State Northridge entry, but when I added it into his biography it was rejected on the grounds that it was original research.

Being listed in another Wikipedia entry is generally not acceptable under Wikipedia:Verifiability, nor should it be. If you would, please WP:CITE a verifiable external source for this information, as we've had problems with facts related to this article in the past. Best regards, Hall Monitor 23:39, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Can someone also list some resources as to Phil's education at Redondo Union High School that prove that the school is where he went?

Phil Hartman went to Westchester High School (go comets!). There is documentation linked in the WHS article. -nj 8 August, 2008

[edit] photo in infobox

There was a headshot in the infobox before that looked much better there, does anybody know what happened to it? Registered User 92

[edit] artwork photos

the photos of his album cover artwork are all hosted on different sites. shouldn't these images be transfered to the wikipedia servers, incase those sites move/rename the files?

surely it can't be because of copyrights. low-resolution images are legal for album covers, I believe. I'm not positive however, so I'll leave it for someone more informed.

Merely placing these images in this article does not fall under fair use. They would be better suited for articles about the individual albums. While we're on the subject, Phil Hartman is not named anywhere in the credits for Aja. The art direction is credited to "Oz Studios." If Oz and Phil hartman are one and the same, then perhaps someone can cite a reference to that effect. But in the meantime, in absence of this I'm removing Aja from the list. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 18:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other works in progress when he died...

Along with the other mentions of projects that Phil was planned to be involved in before his death, should "3rd Rock From the Sun" be listed? He appeared in the season cliffhanger that year, and when Phil died, I believe they had to completely rewrite the next episode, now that his character could not appear.

66.218.28.46 05:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] too much personal info?

should this article really contain info such as the amount and timing of insurance/wrongful-death settlements to Hartman's children? and what they were found wearing? 128.12.165.8 20:35, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, yes, I think so. The wrongful death suit is particularly notable, detailing as it does what ultimately happened to his family. I think it's entirely within the scope of the article. 81.110.14.145 19:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Futurama voices

I thought he was only supposed to do Zapp Brannigan's voice. Does anyone have some sources on the voices he was intended to play? 199.126.137.209 20:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plagiarism

At a glance, it looks like just about the entire account of Hartman's death has been copied verbatim from Hartman's Rotten Library entry. Just a thought. G-my 08:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for editing this talk point here but I can't seem to find my way to creating a new bullet point. Anyway, re: my recent edit. It's a bit vague saying that "the drug did not do this", especially given the relative paucity of primae faciae (spelling, possibly. Sorry...) evidence on this, and the available documented (alleged) links between SSRI compounds (aka selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors) and suicidal tendencies/mental instability....So I just added the odd "was found". I think it's more accurate like this

Cheers

Martin Munnery (cnutheadAThotmail.com

[edit] Brynn Last Name

Minor point, just wanted to clarify - I added Brynn's last name to the death section because, when looking at that section alone, it is not clear that she is his wife. I added a link to that section from the Lionel Hutz article and thought the section should have that small addition to make it clear immediately. Cheers...

Wileycount 08:50, 23 June 2007 (UTC)wileycount

[edit] BLP concerns

I've removed a claim sourced to a gossip column. Such sources are not acceptable for making or repeating potentially defamatory claims against a living person. Please make sure that any claims that may be contentious are referenced to the highest quality sources. Vassyana 13:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not like it's a blog or something. It's an interview with an actor who says its true and I think it's worth noting that a friend of Phil Hartman blames Andy Dick. Either way, I've removed any names from the sentence. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 13:08, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is "blog or something". It's a gossip column. It's not an interview that was published with full editorial oversight. It's a gossip column. This change is not really any better, because the article still cites an unreliable source.[1] Vassyana 13:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

How do you know that? I mean yeah, it probably isn't the most reliable thing in the world, but Lovitz told them what happened, its not like there saying "Jon Lovitz reportedly said blah blah blah," he told them. There's a difference. Gran² 14:31, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Use some sense. It's a gossip column. If the claim is credible, it should be repeated in a reliable source. Vassyana 14:53, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Fine, as you seem determined to not find one yourself... [2] [3] [4] (recording of Lovitz talking about the whole thing on Larry King) Of course with the last one you'd have to cite the show itself, not the Youtube video, but there you go. Gran² 15:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] review

I came to this page via the biography portal "biographies needing attention" site. The article reads pretty cleanly now. I agree with Vassyana above that gossip magazine sources are just that, gossip. I'm unsure of where Larry King Live falls? One option is to say something like, "Friends believed that Brynn's reintroduction to cocaine contributed to her downward spiral," but this sentence assumes a lot of things as fact (i.e., she was on cocaine previously, she got back on it). Again, I don't know if Larry King Live counts as a news source or as a celebrity tv show. Feedback welcome, Renee --Renee 15:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Privacy concerns

I threw out the bit about the children and where they live and who raises them. There is no real reason why people would like to or should know that IMO, apart from sensationalism. I just left the info that relatives from Minnesota are raising them. Everything beyond that is like spying, and since the children or the relatives are of no public interest whatsoever, leaving it in the former state would just be plain wrong. All the stuff about the murder could also be shortened down quite a bit, it reads as if it were out of some yellow press rag or something. Freely accessible information is all well, but there are such things as tact and taste. - Andi, 30.11.2007

Of course, now that you said this, it's easy to go to History and find that information. CapnZapp (talk) 16:19, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blasto

There should probably be a mention in here that Blasto (video game) was one of the last things Hartman did voice acting on the game in fact was released less than a week after his murder. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 15:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC)