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[edit] PD?
This historic map may be {{PD-old}}. --evrik (talk) 16:28, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- "May be" is just not good enough. We need the original creation or publication date. And if this map does turn out to be non-free, then there are surely other, historic maps that are in the public domain. —Remember the dot (talk) 19:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- If it isn't {{PD-old}}, then as a creation of the City of Philadelphia for public use, it certainly qualifies under fair use.--evrik
- No, I'm afraid it doesn't, because they may reserve the rights to use it commercially or to modify it. Without a statement of release, it is non-free and not suitable for us to use. —Remember the dot (talk) 02:09, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- You're wrong on that point. If its fair use, they can still "use it commercially or to modify it," though somehow I doubt that they will use this exact image commercially. Please, pray tell, where do YOU believe "a free replacement image can be reasonably found or created?" I have emailed the city to get some clarification on the image, though because of the "tag" placed on this image its days may now be numbered. Tagging this image was not only unnecessary, but counterproductive to what wikipedia is supposed to be.--evrik (talk) 02:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Fair use means that even though a work is copyrighted, it may be reproduced to accompany critical commentary. It does not imply that the work may be modified, and fair use is restricted in commercial settings. One of Wikipedia's goals is to use free content so that others may freely reproduce Wikipedia content, in modified form if desired. Since we could use free content here, so we shouldn't be using non-free content instead.
- Go back to the maps created before 1854 and use one of them. Perhaps copies of them can be found in a library in Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. Those maps would surely be in the public domain. When uploading a suitable map, make sure to say where you got it from and its original publication date. —Remember the dot (talk) 03:20, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- You're wrong on that point. If its fair use, they can still "use it commercially or to modify it," though somehow I doubt that they will use this exact image commercially. Please, pray tell, where do YOU believe "a free replacement image can be reasonably found or created?" I have emailed the city to get some clarification on the image, though because of the "tag" placed on this image its days may now be numbered. Tagging this image was not only unnecessary, but counterproductive to what wikipedia is supposed to be.--evrik (talk) 02:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- No, I'm afraid it doesn't, because they may reserve the rights to use it commercially or to modify it. Without a statement of release, it is non-free and not suitable for us to use. —Remember the dot (talk) 02:09, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- If it isn't {{PD-old}}, then as a creation of the City of Philadelphia for public use, it certainly qualifies under fair use.--evrik
- The use of this map is apprpropriate because the map itself is a proper subject for commentary in the article and is discussed in the article. --evrik (talk) 16:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Despite the last date of 8-19-59, the image lies in a private university library database. Therefore it may qualify for fair use, or may be public domain. I am emailing Penn now to glean their inpterpretation of the use of this image. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 11:55, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- This could be {{PD-Pre1978}}. I think more time will be needed to make a determination. --evrik (talk) 14:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
