Talk:Phaistos Disc decipherment claims
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[edit] Arbitrary deleting
Dbachmann has deleted the sentence I added about some apparent incoherences in the rendering of -S in the case of the Proto-Ionic Solution (an incoherence pointed by Y.Duhoux). This sentence is the following :
But it is to be noticed that such apparent incoherences do exist also in the 4th century BC inscription written with the Cypriot syllabary.
Dbachmann deleted it with the motive that "to the best of (his) knowledge, the Cypriot Syllabary has no consonant signs".
Well, Mr Bachmann, the Cypriot Syllabary has an usual way to render the consonant S : to use the sign SE. So, on the well-known the Idalion Bronze Inscription, <kas> is generally written ka-se. But in the same inscription, one may notice incoherences very similar to the ones of the Disk, i.e. that the sign SE is missing ! For instance, on line 1, one may read : ka-se-(ke-ti-e-we-se), but on line 5 <kas anti> is written : ka-a-ti. Once again, Mr Bachmann, your aversion for the Proto-Ionic Solution has made you blind and it has lead you to an unjust deletion. (User 80.90.57.154, 15:06, March 25, 2006) Post -Scriptum : BTW, Mr Bachmann, be kind enough to also notice that the scribe's habits, in the Idalion Inscription, are the same as the Disk's scribe on two other points : <kas> is linked to the following word -- the "word-concept" by the scribe is not always the same as ours. For instance, at Idalion, <anti tô mistôn> is written as if it was a single word : a-ti-to-mi-si-to-ne.
- This is quite usual among syllabaries (observe that in both cases the unsounded vowel is the same as an adjacent one). The incoherence of Faucounau's decipherment is that he postulates a sign which is simple s, in addition to sa-, se- and so forth.Septentrionalis 16:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I am by all means interested in seeing the Cypriot syllabary extended, it is in dire need of expansion (but of course not by grapheus, who is surely permabanned after his despicable Gator stunt) dab (ᛏ) 19:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Blocked IP-hopper
I have reverted the obviously IP-hopping user behind this charming edit summary and blocked the IP for one week. If anybody thinks that's more likely to affect innocent users (I don't understand these mysteries very well), please to unblock and let's just keep reverting. Bishonen | talk 10:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Linear A Implications
What is the allowed content for this page? The reason I ask is because I have thought about the implications for assuming that the disk's symbols correspond with Linear A -- in particular, there are a number of symbols not present which can be inferred to exist. Possibilities include the double axe 'A', the dog's head 'RA', the ox head 'MU', the bisected line 'DA', and the harp 'PU'. I'm sure professional Minoan scholars can suggest more. Washi 04:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- This page contains what policy allows; neutral accounts of published decipherment attempts. So if you want to discuss this, find someone who's already noticed it. Septentrionalis 05:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Is this Rosemary?
- Linguists, but not mathematicians, are doubtful if the inscription is sufficiently long in order to unambiguously recognize the correct solution even if it was among the proposals.
Which mathematician are we citing here? Fauconau, again? (If not, please explain the argument) Septentrionalis 05:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- looks like it. There can be no doubt, for example, that the correct solution would not be recognized if it was in some otherwise completely unknown language. That any number of 'correct' solutions can be constructed in any given language was amply proven by Faucounau and friends. Mathematicians in general do not have an opinion on the disk. dab (ᛏ) 07:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, it was Rosemary: [1]. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] As Game Board
I have added this section as a hypothesis, and provided useful links. If anyone has other references feel free to add them. -- SunSw0rd 15:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
There is a suggestion regarding splitting this into another article about ancient board games. However I notice there is no such article today. I recommend that until such an article exists, there is no reason to split this off, furthermore, if it was split off, it is unlikely that anyone searching on the Phaistos Disc would ever run across this possible purpose for the disc. SunSw0rd 17:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- A one-sentence mention with a link to the board game article would be sufficient; it could even be added to the main article and more people would be likely to see it. As it stands I can't see taking up over half this article with very doubtful (and unprovable) speculations about the disc being a board game, I'd much rather see more information about proposed decipherments. It's just as likely to be a laundry list, horoscope, astronomical calendar, hypnosis-inducing gadget, musical score, church donation record, early phonograph record, greeting card, Frisbee, genetic code replica, alien communication decoder disc, bowling score card, Wilma Flinstone's diary, or directions for building a bomb shelter... but I wouldn't want to clutter this article with them either.
- OTOH, an article specifically about ancient board games could be interesting and informative. 12.103.251.203 02:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
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- "...It's just as likely to be a laundry list, horoscope, astronomical calendar, hypnosis-inducing gadget, musical score, church donation record, early phonograph record, greeting card, Frisbee, genetic code replica, alien communication decoder disc, bowling score card, Wilma Flinstone's diary, or directions for building a bomb shelter... but I wouldn't want to clutter this article with them either..." -- Sorry, I think based on the evidence that your (presumably) tongue in cheek list of items is rather silly. However, the evidence that it may in fact be an ancient game board falls into the area of reasonableness. SunSw0rd 14:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
