User talk:Pgr94

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Have you thought about registering for an account on Wikipedia? Your contributions seem generally positive and considered, and I think you'd make a good addition to the community. Ryan McDaniel 03:20, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Ditto, good stuff on the Plantar! --Snori 17:18, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minster-in-Thanet

Thanks for spotting that. Somebody had got the grid reference wrong; I've fixed it now. — Wereon 14:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked

<<unblock|Have done nothing wrong to my knowledge, can you please justify the need to block me. Note: my IP is 217.117.47.110 but when I edit it incorrectly says "Your IP address is 62.197.126.10.">>

You appear to be loading a page intended for someone else. Are you using Google's web accelerator, or any similar service? If so, you may be loading pages cached by other editors, so it's probably best to disable the service on some or all Wikipedia pages. Likewise, you should try to clear your browser's cache (shift or control plus reload, in most browsers). Barring that, I'd suggest you try and edit the sandbox, and see what happens. Hope that helps! Luna Santin 08:15, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

No web accelerator or other similar tools. No proxy - unless my ISP is doing something funny. My IP address hasn't changed in over a month. Cache cleared. Sandbox comes up as blocked. Pgr94 08:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Your ISP is doing transparent proxying for you. I've now unblocked 62.197.126.10. --  Netsnipe  ►  08:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that Netsnipe. Pgr94 08:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia!!!

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[edit] Invite to WikiProject Spam

Hey there! I saw you reverting or removing linkspam. Thanks! If you're interested, come visit us in Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam so we can work together in our efforts to clean spam from Wikipedia. Hu12 15:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "interested party"

You know something, I am sick to the back teeth with people accusing me of shit like this.

Please take a second to read Wikipedia:No personal attacks. If you can't be bothered, in short: "Comment on content, not on the contributor."

I've been contributing to Wikipedia for over two and a half years and it is shit like that that makes me think I've been wasting my time. AlistairMcMillan 01:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry you see it that way. There's nothing wrong with having an interest as you have shown (although it is better to be open about it). There is no reason to interpret it as an attack. We all have biases about one thing or another. I simply brought attention to yours and my claims are verifiable. Pgr94 09:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

What? I AM NOT REPRESENTING ANYONE. AlistairMcMillan 18:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canvassing

I'm guessing that you aren't aware that we have rules against canvassing for votes. Please read Wikipedia:Canvassing. AlistairMcMillan 03:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

You might also like to read Wikipedia:Consensus#Consensus_vs._supermajority. Look for the part that starts "Formal decision making based on vote counting is not how wikipedia works..." AlistairMcMillan 03:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

This category deletion discussion is not getting much input - you and I are the only ones debating it. A healthy debate is in WP's interest. So I thought it would be good to get some additional opinion on it. I was very careful not to attract any point of view (neutral). The places I solicited opinion were the discussion pages of the affected articles (limited posting, bipartisan). Please feel free to explain how that contravenes the guidelines you are citing? Pgr94 08:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please don't censor yourself

"Would you care to reveal your employer and your (paid) interests? I am very suspicious you work for Sony or Apple and are being paid to do contribute here."

I am currently working at the Western Infirmary in Glasgow Scotland. http://amcmillan.livejournal.com/109603.html

Is that enough, or would you like to continue making personal attacks? AlistairMcMillan 22:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I am just asking you to be whether you'd be prepared to declare that you have no commercial interests. No attacks there. Lighten up. Pgr94 23:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I, Alistair McMillan, have no commercial interests. Satisfied.

"Comment on content, not on the contributor." I'd expect someone who claims to have a PhD, who claims to be an academic, who claims to be a scientist, to be able to understand those seven simple words. AlistairMcMillan 23:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanet District Council

In response to your question, the reason is that many people post articles like that and leave them like that. I can't tell that you are one of the minority of users that realizes that such articles are insufficient, and I can't know what your intentions are with regard to improving any given article. It's hard work patrolling new pages, but it's even more difficult to patrol day old or week old pages. In any event, since you already know that such articles need improvement, you should not take offence at the cleanup tag. I am however sorry to have triggered an edit conflict or have otherwise put you off editing. I hope you understand. --Butseriouslyfolks 09:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

• Hi, cleanup tags can be removed by the article's creator, so I leave it to your judgment. As for waiting a week, it is much harder to do that. There are many utilities that assist in reviewing new pages, but none (to my knowledge) that will take you through articles of a certain age, so it would have to be done manually. Please consider developing articles in notepad or /sandbox so as not to divert attention of new page patrollers from article that really need tagging. Thank you. --Butseriouslyfolks 17:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Collaboration 18th - 25th March 2007

- Olive Oil -_ŢάĽɮ - 14:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Results

Hello again Pgr94, following our collaboration to tag Kent-related articles, we have ear marked 931 articles as being Kent related, however, as of the 26th March, 137 articles are still to be assessed.

• Could you please look at any, some or even one of the 137 unassessed articles and change the {{WP:Kent|class=}} template, on the talk page, to a "class=Stub/Start or B category".
• Please try to grade according to the guidelines to enable us to prioritise future work.

Kent articles		Importance
		Top	High	Mid	Low	None	Total
Quality
	FA			1			1
	A			1			1
	GA			1			1
	B		3	4	6		13
	Start	1	12	49	137	2	201
	Stub		5	17	552	3	577
	Assessed	1	20	73	695	5	794
	Unassessed	0	2	5	130	0	137
	Total	1	22	78	825	5	931

- Olive Oil -_ŢάĽɮ - 01:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Onychomycosis

Thnaks for your query and yes problems with those other articles (more later)

re Onychomycosis, I thought the section inappropriate in several respects. The link was used twice and my suspeicion was that this was spamming for a commercial product (even if unintentionally so). Lots of products and research is undertaken on this topic, but unless one can cite from 3rd parties, then information should not be included. WP:Notable states "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" and no sources were given other than from the company itself - and I rather doubt that this product has had other "significant coverage in reliable sources". This may also apply to some of the other articles you mentioned, although having looked just at CHIPP to see what it was about, large oncology trials do tend to get reported on in the medical press, so there might be "significant coverage" to WP:Cite and WP:Verify from - but the article clearly needs work, and as a starter I have tagged it as lacking sources. Lastly the section was of undue length, and for a currently unavailable product, its use for the condition is surely trivial as under WP:Undue weight.

If you already have a list of more "under research" drug articles, can you post the list to the wikiproject WP:PHARM for consideration over the WP:Notable issue :-) David Ruben ^Talk 10:21, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I would agree with you it probably was commercially motivated to start with, but that doesn't justify deleting it. A quick glance at the US register of clinical trials shows that it is not pure invention [1]. If a drug is used on humans, even in clinical trials, then I would argue it is notable. I don't know how you envisage Wikipedia, but I think it is blatantly wrong to use notability guidelines to delete information about drugs in final stages of testing while keeping trivia like plot summaries of Dr. Who episodes and personalities in Coronation Street. Incidentally I have nothing to do with the companies or products involved and I didn't add the information in the first place. I just don't like to see valuable information being deleted. You should also be aware that the number of links to a website does not affect its ranking. See Wikipedia:Nofollow. Pgr94 12:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I brought the subject up here to get more input [2]. Pgr94 14:41, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Hi Pgr94, I had added some links to the Dermatology photo library Dermnet.com (a website with thousands of free images of skin disease which serves no commercial purpose) and they were deleted. I contacted the person who deleted them (hu12) a few days ago, but I haven't received a response. People who have written articles here in the past have contacted me and asked to use images and information from my books "Clinical Dermatology," and "Skin Disease" which I have always approved. I would also like to become a contributor to Wikipedia. Could I please ask for your help/advice?

I will also list some information for your review:

http://books.google.com/books?id=uigMAAAACAAJ&dq

http://books.google.com/books?id=CCA2AAAACAAJ

Hello Thomas - yes I reverted the deletion of your contribution on Plantar wart. I wouldn't take the deletion personally, there is unfortunately a lot of linkspam on Wikipedia and as a result, some things get shot down inadvertently. There are a number of rules/guidelines that guide contributions. You don't need to know them to contribute but it's good to become more familiar with them over time. If you follow Wikipedia's spirit of openness and impartiality you won't go too far wrong. Best. Pgr94 21:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links

Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that exist to attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam policies for further explanations of links that are considered appropriate. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. See the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment on my talk page regarding the external link I added to Thanet, Ramsgate, etc. Could you please explain how the link violates WP:EL. I do not believe it classifies as spam, it is a directory of the social fabric of the town that was compiled largely by Thanet District Council. There are no commercial links on the page. Please explain. Thanks. Pgr94 09:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Secondly, may I recommend you add a new subheading and the relevant article when you use spam templates. Pgr94 09:44, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. To answer your question, there are commercial links at the bottom of each page on that site (Google AdSense), but my main objection is that this site is just a nested directory of more external links, which violates both WP:NOT a directory and our Wikipedia:External links guideline which states that Wikipedia articles should not be used as a directory of links. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 17:55, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed the adsense links, I presume that's the free-wiki service provider - it's certainly nothing to do with me. My understanding is that the WP:EL policy is for content on wikipedia not for other sites. I'd be interested to see which part of WP:EL applies to link targets. Pgr94 18:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way, this information was in List of clubs and societies in Thanet until about a week ago. It was removed because of WP:Not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory. It is not available elsewhere. To avoid it being lost I placed it on editthis_dot_info. Pgr94 18:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

It should not be linked to for the same reason the article was deleted. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 00:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

If you can't cite the relevant policy, I will revert. This isn't about your POV. Regards, Pgr94 09:15, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Reverted. Pgr94 16:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Please do not re-insert this spam link or you may find the domain added to the Wikimedia blacklist. Thank you, Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for indeed clearing up my most sloppy removal of the spam on Onychomycosis. Reviewing now makes even less sense to me, and I can only presume I had reset the wrong edit comparison (there have been quite a few edits recently that I was looking at) - still no excuse, so thanks for your better "eye on the ball" :-) David Ruben ^Talk 20:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem, it happens to us all. With enough eyeballs on the article, I'm sure it'll go from strength to strength. All the best. Pgr94 20:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Strong inference

Because, at least at the time, it appeared to be based on Strong inference plus, which, near as I could tell reading the article then, was based solely on one person's essay, which would clearly qualify as WP:OR. The ref you added helps, but note that it does NOT claim to be 'peer reviewed' research, or anything like that--it was published as an opinion piece[3], which I would still maintain is WP:OR, or worse. I've had 'letters to the editor' published in my local paper, but I would certainly hope no one would use my text as a reference for an encyclopedia article. Ravenna1961 03:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lead of the history of AI

I'm not sure I agree that artificial intelligence begins in antiquity. The term wasn't coined until 1956. Certainly there were precursors in myth and fiction, but these were usually either robots or artificial humans, not quite the same thing. I think an appropriate analogy here would be "space travel". Although the idea of "space travel" existed for centuries (and was worked out to high level of detail by the mid fifties), space travel begins in 1957, with sputnik, or at least by 1961, with Yuri Gagarin. Similarly, artificial intelligence research has a very definite "birthday". (Read the paragraph on the Dartmouth conference, especially the last line.) Before that date, the closest thing is cybernetics or automata theory (the subject of Claude Shannon and John McCarthy's collaboration before 1956). These are related to AI, but aren't AI: the goal of these fields aren't really the same. My point is this: before 1956, anything you can cite is either (1) merely closely related, or (2) merely speculation.

Also, the new opening line doesn't read well to me; it feels like a digression at the very top of the article. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 08:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment, I have replied on the article's talk page. Pgr94 (talk) 11:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] history of artificial intelligence

Sorry if I was cranky. You were right, I was wrong. ---- CharlesGillingham 09:24, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem at all. It's good to see the AI articles coming along nicely largely due to your efforts. Pgr94 11:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AI stupid, and lazy

I support your interpretation of WP:VER. With regards to user Sai Emrys edit.--Sparkygravity (talk) 14:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Sai Emrys' claim is funny, but doesn't belong in an encyclopedia.Pgr94 (talk) 22:08, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reference list in articles

Hi, thank you for creating the Competitions and prizes in artificial intelligence article. I noticed it contained references, but you forgot to add the {{reflist}} tag to it - without it, the article will not produce any reference listings. I have done this for you. Just something to keep in mind when you create new articles in the future. --Shootthedevgru (talk) 11:20, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. Will keep a lookout for that in future. Pgr94 (talk) 11:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Guardian's anonymous sourcing

See the talk page.--Miyokan (talk) 02:16, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Restored image Deep Blue vs Kasparov. Permission obtained from IBM

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Artificial_intelligence&diff=194922079&oldid=194638325 - You so rock, thank you for putting in the effort and getting IBM's permission to use the image^YAY!--Sparkygravity (talk) 12:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

I'd also like to get hold of an image like this which for me captures the essence of AI. What do you think? Pgr94 (talk) 13:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

You know I actually wouldn't. I think it implies that AI existence is something similar to human ability and perspective, which is just not true. If we create strong AI it will have a strong possibility not to be very human at all, regarding the way that it "thinks". So I believe such a image would suggest to the reader something understandable, but fundamentally flawed.--Sparkygravity (talk) 23:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] do you want to be in ai interested list?

Hi
I am making a list of ai interested people so if somebody want to go deeper into the subject to have a start.
Do you agree to be part of this list ? Raffethefirst (talk) 13:51, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I'm very flattered. However, I think you've overstated my contributions on wikipedia; CharlesGillingham very much deserves the description. Pgr94 (talk) 14:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

ok then. I will try to state that. but I am not very good at words... but finally I will find them :). Raffethefirst (talk) 15:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Intelligence

I can understand why someone might view a website with the address http://intelligencetesting.blogspot.com as spam, but Kevin McGrew is a leader in the field of cognitive testing. He has published hundreds of peer-reviewed journal articles and several books, and is the co-creator of one of the leading tests in the field (Woodcock-Johnson Psychoeducational Battery). The website contains links to scholarly publications, up-to-date lists of publications organized by topic, and input from many writers in addition to McGrew. He is not trying to sell anything, not even his own material. Many psychologists, myself included, find the website invaluable. I have restored that external link. If you wish to discuss further, feel free to message me. Thanks. Ward3001 (talk) 23:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Possibly, but I find it odd that there isn't a single peer-reviewed article referenced in the article. If he is an expert on intelligence cite his work, not his blog. Regards. Pgr94 (talk) 23:08, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Go to the website. Every week or two he posts a link to "Recent literature of interest." Follow the link and you'll get a list of dozens, sometimes hundreds of peer-reviewed journal publications. Also browse the archives. Very often there is a link to pdf files of journal articles. I'm as much an advocate of peer-reviewed journals as anyone. I have a Ph.D. in clinical psychology. This website very frequently links to scholarly publications that it discusses. If you want a list of McGrew's publications I can probably compile one for you.

And once again, Wikipedia does not limit external links to peer reviewed publications. If that were the case there wouldn't be very much in the external links lists. This one is immensely more scholarly than most external links in Wikipedia. Thank you. Ward3001 (talk) 23:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I found at least one commercial link on this blog and he wants to sell advertising. If he is as influential as you allege, cite his work, not his blog. Pgr94 (talk) 23:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I think you and I will continue to disagree on this. I can cite his works easily. But I also object to removing an invaluable website for scholars in the field of intelligence and cognitive testing. It does a superb job of gatherering, integrating, and organizing scholarly publications, more so than any other website I have ever seen. As far as ads go, some external links have a minmal number of ads if their other material is of good quality. I don't want to edit war on this, but I am an expert in the field, and I don't think you will find a Wikipedia policy that forbids listing external links that are not peer-reviewed. If you do, please give me a link to it.

So I respectfully disagree. I am happy to raise the issue on Talk:Intelligence for other opinions if you wish, and if necessary post a WP:RFC. But this link is more scholarly than 90% of the links I see in Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia, not an academic journal. Thanks. Ward3001 (talk) 23:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

<undent>RFC placed at Talk:Intelligence. [4] WLU (talk) 13:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

User:TimVickers has provided a comment on intelligence, but I'd say we should wait a bit longer before attempting to find a resolution. Would you agree? WLU (talk) 19:34, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanet; isle of the dead

LS, In case the isle of Thanet should no longer be on your watchlist; I struck upon this: [5]. Furthermore, there might even be a connection with... Homer! As Iman Wilkens in his book Where Troy Once Stood also mentions the isle of Thanet as the fourth of the holy places of the domain of 'Apollo of the Silver Bow', judging by the prayer of the high-priest Chryses, in which he mentions four sites in a downstream order: 'Hear me, thou of the Silver Bow, who dost stand over Chryse and holy Cilla, and dost rule mightily over Tenedos'. (Iliad (I,451)). Silver Bow, according to Wilkens, is located at the bow in Thames River in London's East End, on which silvertown is situated (where in roman times a temple stood (templum candidi Apollinis). Chryse was located around Grays, Crayford and river Cray. Cilla now would be the region of Chilham near Canterbury and finally Tenedos, where many Achaeans made sacrifices to the Gods on their way home after the Trojan war, would be the isle of Thanet. Best wishes, --Antiphus (talk) 21:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Margate windmills

I see you've moved the info the the History of Margate page, and added Draper's mill to the attractions section. Fair enough, but would you do me a favour. There's 20 Kent articles needing assessment. I can't do them as I've either created or been heavily involved in them. Hopeully they should all be at least start class as I don't like creating stubs if I can avoid it. Mjroots (talk) 18:09, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:A nous les petites Anglaises.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:A nous les petites Anglaises.jpg. You've indicated that the image meets Wikipedia's criteria for non-free content, but there is no explanation of why it meets those criteria. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. If you have any questions, please post them at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions.

Thank you for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 12:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

No idea how to do it and don't have time to learn. If it doesn't qualify just go ahead and delete. Pgr94 (talk) 13:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)