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Forest ecology types

In the scientific literature, a forest ecology type such as oak-hickory forest is not capitalized. There is no such place as "The Oak-Hickory Forest" in the sense that there is, say, Sherwood Forest. These are typologies, and as such are not capitalized. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Keep up the good work!

The Original Barnstar
Came across your Holyoke Range article while on New Page patrol. Nice work, good to see someone contributing heavily in an area we're lacking coverage in :) Exxolon 18:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Mount Sugarloaf

Hi Pgagnon999, I suggest Sugarloaf Mountain is a better location for this page than Mount Sugarloaf. I say this because the has 'Sugarloaf' as the first word in the name giving it more prominence than the alternative types of formations included i.e. mount, mountain, hill, rock, etc. -- PatLeahy (talk) 05:10, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion, Pat :) As it stands, both Mount Sugarloaf and Sugarloaf Mountain default directly to the same index. Doesn't matter to me which one is the redirect and which one is the actual page; if you think that one is better than the other, please go ahead and switch them, but please do make sure that the other redirects appropriately, that way folks don't get lost. Or are you referring to Sugarloaf Mountain (Franklin County, Massachusetts)? I decided against Mount Sugarloaf because the authority on place names, the USGS, calls it Sugarloaf Mountain.

Hello, Pgagnon999. It appears that you copied and pasted Mount Sugarloaf State Reservation to Sugarloaf Mountain (Franklin County, Massachusetts). Please do not move articles by copying and pasting them because it splits the article's history, which is needed for attribution and is helpful in many other ways. If there is an article that you cannot move yourself using the move link at the top of the page, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Also, if there are any other articles that you copied and pasted, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thank you, Ravenna1961 07:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that. . .much of this is still new to me. I fixed the snafu by:

--Pgagnon999 15:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Please read the comments at (e.g.) Talk:Mount Sugarloaf, and respond. How do you see this whole sugarloaf network developing? I think it would be useful to have a discussion and agree on an overall shape, rather than pulling in different directions. I have just set up Sugarloaf (mountain), which I think is a much better title than Sugarloaf Mountain or Sugarloaf (summit). Please discuss! I suggest Talk: Sugarloaf as a suitable place. Snalwibma (talk) 17:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello again Pgagnon999 - No hard feelings, and apologies if I may seem to have been wrecking your well-orchestrated plan. But this is a collaborative venture, so let's collaborate. What is that plan of yours? I suggest agreeing on an outline for a scheme before doing any nore to these articles. Snalwibma (talk) 17:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

So many multiple meanings... and how best to organize them. One problem with Sugarloaf (mountain) is that some mountains that are named sugarloaf don't have "mountain" in their name (they are just called "sugarloaf"). With regard to the designation sugarloaf (summit), if you visit the USBGN website [1] and do a search on sugarloaf mountain (without checking the exact match box), you come up with a list of "summits." that's the classification for what it's worth. I agree it's not an ideal name. . .that said, I'd be fine with sugarloaf (mountain), providing someone is willing to do the work of writing separate stubs for sugarloaf hill sugarloaf (rock), and whatever other forms there are (butte, Mount Sugarloaf, etc). How's that? How are you all with the tiered sugarloaf to sugarloaf (disambiguation) to sugarloaf (mountain or summit or whatnot)?--Pgagnon999 (talk) 17:44, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I really like what you've done with the Sugarloaf Mountain and Reservation pages. I started the original page a while back in the hopes that other people would take interest in it and make it better. I didn't have the time or knowledge to do the job properly myself. Mt. Sugarloaf is an incredibly special place to me. Keep an eye on these pages for me! Colte94 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:00, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Mount Holyoke

Thanks for adding the pictures! It enriches my reading of Henry James's Roderick Hudson somehow.Zigzig20s 19:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Glad to help!--Pgagnon999 20:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


M&M Trail

Even greater thanks to you for such a thorough and readable job on the Metacomet-Monadnock Trail. I see you've been putting together a whole set of articles on the mountains in western Massachusetts. Any interest/knowledge in continuing with the Monadnock-Sunapee Greenway in New Hampshire? See you, --Ken Gallager (talk) 14:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Friends of the Mt. Holyoke Range‎

Just a heads-up. This article has been proposed for speedy deletion. Rmhermen (talk) 18:54, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I've removed it but make sure to add more references next time. :) Thanks. — Rudget speak.work 18:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
What does that mean? :) — Rudget speak.work 19:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I added the speedy deletion tag. But upon looking at your contributions, I realised it would be expanded and a greater notability would be asserted. — Rudget speak.work 19:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Great work

Hello Paul. I just wanted to commend you for all of work you've been putting into articles about mountains and trails in New England.

Thanks also for releasing so many photographs under free licenses. In the future, instead of uploading your images here on English Wikipedia, would you consider uploading them to Wikimedia Commons? Images uploaded to Commons can be used here on English Wikipedia exactly as if they had been uploaded locally, but can also be used simultaneously by our sister projects. For example, Commons:Image:TjWikiKatahdin.jpg is an image on Commons that it is currently used in our article, Mount Katahdin, as well as on the Japanese and and Czech Wikipedias. Let me know if you have any questions about Commons, or if you ever need help with anything else. Thanks again ×Meegs 03:23, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

What a coincidence, I was just going to do the same: Congratulations to your articles, they're really impressive (incl. the pictures)!! And just as I'm already writing on your page, I was going to ask for uploads to Commons as well and offer my help in case of any questions. Well, Meegs, you beat me! :o) Anyways, I immensely enjoy your articles, Paul, and am looking forward to seeing more of your work. --Ibn Battuta (talk) 21:35, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for getting in touch with me. I haven't yet had the chance to explore what it would mean for my work and effort to post it on the Commons; I'll try to do that when I get the chance. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 17:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
example for an image from the Commons: no difference in usability
example for an image from the Commons: no difference in usability
As a summary: Commons only means you'd have to sign up there to be able to upload (which takes virtually no time, it's the same system/structure as for Wikipedia). Uploading should be the same in terms of effort. Commons uses some short pages to walk you through the licensing if you click on their upload button. Else, if you're experienced and know which licenses you want, it may even be quicker to simply enter the URL/click on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload . Oh right, and there's the CommonsHelper if you want to move images, which you've already uploaded to the English Wikipedia, to Commons. For this and further information, you'll also receive some information on your discussion page once you sign up. As for using the image, that's exactly the same as for Wikipedia images, and you don't see any difference in the article.
The only thing that is really different are the categories: You can (and should :o)) categorize images on Commons, just like you categorize articles on Wikipedia (example: commons:Category:Mount Holyoke Range). The advantage is that you and other users can later find images much more easily for further articles; or, if you've uploaded an image which at some point won't be used in any article, it won't get "lost" in the depths of Wikipedia, but can be easily found again later by whoever looks for such an image.
Anyways, sure take your time. And let me know if you have any questions, I'll be happy to help. --Ibn Battuta (talk) 01:20, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Pocumtuck Range

Paul - are you looking to make separate articles about Sachem Head, Pocumtuck Rock, Rocky Mountain (Poet's Seat), etc., or are you going to leave them in one article? I don't have great photos of the mountains handy, but I do have some additional stuff beyond what's on my hiking site. If you see any on the site that you want me to add to Wikipedia (and in a higher res than the standard 400X300 I have there), I post those. I have pages for all of those listed above, with 1-2 trip reports each. I can also provide some information on the ski operations on the Pocumtuck Rock region of the range, as there are 3 open or closed ski areas within 1/2 mile of each other. Jrclark (talk) 23:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I can put up a reference to the NELSAP articles for the ski areas, but otherwise there aren't many details online beyond what I've obtained through exploration and discussions. Jrclark (talk) 13:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

List of mountains in New Hampshire

Hi, I appreciate your making me aware of your proposal to delete the List of mountains in New Hampshire, and you make a lot of good arguments. I also see that by the time I logged in and found your comment, someone else had already removed the proposal tag. Overall, your reasoning makes a lot of sense, but I find the one element of the list that makes it usable and worth keeping is the fact that it's a sortable table, either by elevation or by name. Not the most earth-shattering feature, but probably enough to keep it for now. Still, you make a good point that there should probably be more to the list than just names and elevations. See you, --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. Basically, I'm on the fence about this. I know exactly what you mean about the difficulty (and non-necessity) of keeping lists like this up to date, when categories do that automatically. I'd like to see the sortable table feature kept somewhere, though. I see that the person who deleted the "prod" tag is someone who makes a practice of deleting such tags, so I'm not sure how productive any discussion with him/her would be. I also know that few people check the discussion pages of New Hampshire articles, or so it seems, anyway. You might want to get the opinion of Wwoods, who has contributed a lot of material to the NH mountains articles. --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Metacomet Ridge

Thanks for uploading your photo of Metacomet Ridge! It really livens up the article. It's great to have free images on Wikipedia. All the best, – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:56, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks back

I appreciate the Minor Barnstar! And I wholeheartedly support the Barnstar that you've received for the thoroughly-researched and interesting articles you've been creating on the mountains of western Massachusetts and southwestern New Hampshire. They are definitely highlights of the Wikipedia content for New England. --Ken Gallager (talk) 15:51, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Kibby Mountain

Hi. You said, "the importance of this mountain has added value because of political controversy surrounding the peak." Maybe you could add something about this controversy? What is it, something about the proposed wind farm?
—WWoods (talk) 15:57, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Sleeping Giant

Got your message about Sleeping Giant (Connecticut) editing. Go ahead and convert that long title from being a red-link into being just regular text, or edit it down/out entirely. I was hoping that when I hit SAVE it would turn out to be an existing article, as are some other multiple property submissions to the National Park Service, but such was not the case. I am not about to write on the topic. Keep up your good work with editing Sleeping Giant and so on. Cheers, doncram (talk) 21:27, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your question about the photo for Sleeping Giant, were you asking me to crop the photo to a smaller shape, or did you want a lower-resolution copy?--Ken Gallager (talk) 19:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello again. I've uploaded a lower-res version of the photo,
but the dimensions of the photo do not change in the infobox. It just produces a grainier picture. I'm not very familiar with the workings of the Infobox Mountain template, so I don't know if there's a way to physically resize photos within it, but feel free to take a stab at it. I've left the higher-res photo in the article for now, since it looks better at the current dimensions. --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:38, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I had a feeling that the infobox was the problem. Maybe you could let me know if someone provides a fix? As for the typos, I just use Firefox, which comes with its own spell-check. Highly recommended! See you, --Ken Gallager (talk) 12:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

dyk

Updated DYK query On 30 December 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article West Rock Ridge, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 13:29, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Peter's Rock is listed on NRHP?

Hi, got your message. However, I don't find Peter's Rock listed in the National Register of Historic Places. I searched on alternative names: Hermitage, Rabbit Rock, and just on "rock" in CT. For my searching, I use a tool called the Elkman infobox generator, which is based off a download of NRIS info system data.

I do see that the Joan Mazurek source in your article states that it was placed on the National Register. But, she seems confused: the state of Connecticut cannot by itself place it on the register, that would be done by the Secretary of the Interior. An office of the state of Connecticut could have deemed it to be NRHP-eligible, and/or it could have been deemed a Connecticut state landmark or Connecticut state historic site. I am not familiar with Connecticut state or local designations however. So, for the moment it would be best to remove the NRHP statement in the article, and perhaps to rely less on any other assertions in the Joan Mazurek source.

Hope this is helpful. By the way, I noticed the wikipedia mainpage "Did you know" feature about the Judges Cave and the Regicides Trail / West Rock Ridge the other day, and I enjoyed reading the West Rock Ridge article. I also followed links to East Rock and so on. You are doing really nice work! A long time ago i climbed one or both of East and West Rocks.... doncram (talk) 16:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll do a bit more searching: I'll look for that Multiple Property Submission document on Connecticut park structures built by the WPA, that covered the lookout tower at Sleeping Giant. Perhaps there could be something there, or there would be some other items in it for your other articles. doncram (talk) 16:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not finding my way in the NPS systems to any on-line version of that MPS document. Only some NRHP registration documents are on-line. Many NRHPs that area also National Historic Landmarks are on-line, but this may not be so prominent. To add to the Sleeping Giant article, at least, you could/should request a copy of the MPS document. Just send an email to nr_reference@nps.gov. Address it to the National Register of Historic Places Reference Team, and ask specifically for the documents and photos of the "Connecticut State Park and Forest Depression-Era Federal Work Relief Programs Structures TR", and give your postal address. You will probably get an email reply in 1 or 2 working days. You'll either get a pointer to an on-line resource or you would receive a hard copy by postal mail in about a week.

Also, here's [www.ct.gov/cct/lib/cct/CT_National_Register_of_Historic__Places.doc a listing of all the NRHPs in CT in a Word document], organized nicely by county and town. Search on "work relief" to see those structures. Browse the New Haven County section on New Haven and North Haven. Nothing useful leaps out to me. But, if any site listed does sound useful, you can get a lot of info on it by requesting to the National Register. Good luck! doncram (talk) 16:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the note

I haven't had a chance to read Metacomet Ridge, but I noticed the beautiful pictures, and from a brief look, I'm really impressed -- that could actually get me to start the hiking I've wanted to do (and I was surprised to see we have a native -- native! -- cactus in the state). The article has great layout, pics, footnotes -- have you thought about nominating it for featured-article status? I'll use that list that mentions individual towns to see if there might be some more category links worth adding. Thanks! Noroton (talk) 01:14, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

That's incredible about the Cacti. Just to reveal my ignorance, I remember visiting Boulder, Colorado and being amazed that I found cacti that far north, so this just shocked me. Maybe I'll suggest that for a DYI feature. I barely know anything at all about the natural world, but I was going through a bunch of newspapers recently and found a bunch of articles on Connecticut mammals (about moose and deer and whatnot), and then I ran across Connecticut Wildlife and bought it on a whim, so I compiled this long article, List of mammals of Connecticut. I only mention it because you might find it interesting, feel free to do nothing or everything with it. It took a lot longer to create than I thought it would, and I'm tired of it. There are similar lists with nice pictures and better layout, and I feel an obligation to make a few improvements at some point. When I get ambitious again I might go through the book and add other Connecticut lists on trees or birds or whatnot. Noroton (talk) 01:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the barnstar and thanks also for the pics at the mammals list article. I started actually reading the Metacomet Ridge article in detail tonight (not done yet between other stuff and watching TV at the same time). Once I'm done and look a little more into featured article noms, I expect to nominate it (if you don't in the meantime). It looks really good. I'm not very familiar with featured article noms. I assume various editors will go over the article with a fine-toothed comb and probably annoy more than they gratify. It's a very well-written article. Are you familiar with that lone rest stop on the northbound side of I-91 around Meriden? I was just there last week. It's right up against a high, steep hill -- do you know if that's part of the Metacomet Ridge? Noroton (talk) 04:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

knock, knock?

May I knock again at your door and, in a very low and humble voice, draw your attention again to Wikimedia Commons? I certainly don't want to annoy you, it's just that every further picture you upload only to the English Wikipedia requires double work. Just as a friendly reminder: Your pictures are currently available solely to English Wikipedia users, and it's not possible to categorize them (so if ever they are substituted in the articles with other images, it becomes very difficult and sometimes even impossible to localize them for further articles or projects (both in the English Wikipedia and beyond).

As I said, uploading to the Commons requires no more work than to Wikipedia (except for maybe the categorizations, but they, too, are super-quickly done, especially if you upload several pictures to similar areas). I continue to be happy to give you all the help you may want. It's just so much more productive than re-uploading all your Wikipedia images to Commons. Thanks for your help, Ibn Battuta (talk) 12:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

copied from my talk page for context: HI, thanks for your note. I plan on looking into moving the photos I've already ploaded into Engligh wiki to the Commons when I have the chance. As for why I haven't engaged in that directly, I've been editing hard and have felt pressed for time. . .I often have a number of browser windows open at the same time; adding yet another, distinct interface felt a little overwhelming. Sorry; I know that sounds selfish and lazy, and it is, but, for the moment, until I get a chance to investigate and play with the Wikicommons a bit, that's where I'm at. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 15:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply--I don't look so often into Wikipedia these days, and I tend to forget that people reply on one's talk page (rather than where the discussion was started) on the English Wikipedia... sorry. Anyways, I fully understand time and browser reasons, I just thought I'd remind you, no less and no more. As for the practical side, I tend to open Commons only when I want to upload something (i.e. when I'd also open yet another Wikipedia page for uploading there). Again, I can quite see what you mean though.
I've seen that the Metacomet Ridge is a candidate for featured article. Unfortunately I don't have the time to read it now, though I'm sure your overall great work deserves that little "thank you note" of being featured! So I just wish you the best of luck with the voting!! --Ibn Battuta (talk) 11:35, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Nomination for featured article

I nominated Metacomet Ridge here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Metacomet Ridge, and the discussion also appears here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. Thanks for writing it. Noroton (talk) 22:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Revert

I reverted the edit by mistake and have since undone this, sorry for the mistake. Harland1 (t/c) 15:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for writing it

I'm just happy I ran across such a great article. Want more help? There is a peer review process that one commentor referred to. That might get a good response, at least in terms of constructive criticism, at least I suppose it will. (I'm not really knowledgeable about any of this.) If you need help with anything, just post me a message. I'll look over the article again. Noroton (talk) 03:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Categories

Hello. Thanks for your contributions! As for the categories, pipes are necessary, because they help to correctly sort the articles in subsequent categories. Convention for mountains or lakes for example is to exclude Mount or Lake, so the Mount ABC is sorted under A or Lake Washington under W. Regards. - Darwinek (talk) 18:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Mountain

i am sorry i wasnt sure how the whole editing process is done. Hope i am leaving my message at the right place. Here is one of the books i referred to http://www.whfreeman.com/presssiever/ You can have a look here on page 435 where Dr Frank press believes the mountains are wedge-shaped.and what we see are just a small part of it and most of it and unseen. He also suggest on how they assist in stabalising the earth. I could somewhat relate this to the verse in quran. I believed it was interesting and worth sharing. It may be vague but it more or less says the same thing mentioned in the book' Understanding earth' by Press and Seiver. Hope this post is at the right place. Thanks for the early response from you. Will post if i get hold of something interesting. Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aatefbaig (talk • contribs) 00:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

RE:Speedy deletion of Anal Cabaret: A Tribute to Soft Cell

The article contains content other than just the infobox. Look again. ChunkyStyle (talk contribs) 04:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for adding context; please feel free to delete the tag.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 04:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 : Ok. I will. ChunkyStyle (talk contribs) 04:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

RE:Speedy deletion of Jamespot

Hello, When i found the article on social bookmarking site, Jamespot was not in the list. So, before to add it, i read that before, it should have a entry, what i did. I just add this new service on the Web without "ads" on it. No words to say its wonderfull or watever. Many links outside of Jamespot (wich is French actualiy) says that Jamespot is a genuine RSS search engine and social bookmarking service. Hope it helps to verify this. Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garniera (talk • contribs) 17:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. The problem with the article is that it sounds like an ad; it lacks context; and it doesn't go far enough to establish notability. I think your intentions are good, but you'll have to address these issues or you'll likely find that someone else will put the article up for deletion. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 17:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your -speed- reply, i have read again the article, supress one "simple" that was still in the text; now the style is 'i hope', without any ad's connotation. But one question. is that you that will get out the "deletion" or not? Apologize for the time... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garniera (talk • contribs) 17:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Again, you'll have to significantly address WP:Notability and context.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 17:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


I am petitioning for Dr. Manning J. Dauer not to be deleted

  • Dr. Manning J. Dauer was very important to the political landscape for the state of Florida. He was ordered by the U.S. Supreme Court to re-apportion the state so that it was fair to all of our citizens. He was also a Professor & Department Chair at the University of Florida. Lastly, he was added as by the Official UF Wikipedia Project. --(Jccort 19:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I upgraded by removing the sd and replacing with a notability tag; please put more context into the article.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 04:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

DO NOT REMOVE JON'S MUSIC COMPANY

This is an actual Music Company and as the President of the Company I am ordering you to please leave this page alone. Your cooperation is extremely appreciated. My staff notified me that the page was created by some one and they did a very good job. As president of Jon's Music Company I am asking you to stand down. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Concertchorale (talk • contribs) 06:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I wish you well with your music business, Mr. President. However, your fledgling business, as well intentioned as it may be, doesn't meet WP:Notability.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 15:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

FBOP Corporation

FBOP Corporation is now a Top 50 US Bank as proven by this link at [2] which proves why this article should not be speedy deleted. See Template: US Banks. Steelbeard1 (talk) 03:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The Top 50 US Banks template inserted in the article gives the link. Steelbeard1 (talk) 03:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Awesome.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 03:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

RE: Club tropica

Yeah, I checked out the pages and quite agree with you on the deleted page. Thanks for your help. Capt. Mozart (talk) 05:54, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem; thanks for understanding. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 05:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Metacomet Ridge

Thanks for the question. The counties in Connecticut are anachronisms, and are not used for anything, including to mark locations. Town, region, urban area, geographic feature are all used and useful markers. (partial exception for Fairfield because it is referred to as a county in media emanating from New York).

It may be hard to communicate how meaningless "New Haven County" is to someone used to counties in other states. Perhaps it would be better to name the towns (New Haven, and there's a branch off to Branford?) Jd2718 (talk) 03:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the State still recognizes it, but it is used for census purposes and not much else. "Where do you live?" elicits Branford, Branford Connecticut, Southern Connecticut, in the New Haven area, but never "New Haven County" Jd2718 (talk) 03:39, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Btw, very nice article. I have a couple of questions that I will place on the talk page. Jd2718 (talk) 03:52, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations!

I'm just proud that I spotted a great article and suggested it for featured status so that other people wouldn't miss it. You did a fantastic job with it to start with, and you've improved it since the nomination. I assume it will be on the Wikipedia front page one of these days -- then watch out for the vandals and cranks. The better you do something, the more bothersome it becomes, but it can still be worthwhile. Again, congrats! Noroton (talk) 19:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I second the congratulations. You've put a lot of wide-ranging effort into the article as well as its relatives, and it makes a fine section of Wikipedia, especially for those of us who like geography. And thanks for the barnstar! See you around the wikiworld! --Ken Gallager (talk) 22:49, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


The Plymouths

Hello, I'm trying to get a page on Wikipedia for a very popular band in England called The Plymouths, but wikipedia says it's not significant. How can I prove that it is? Thanks Devs1980 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Devs1980 (talk • contribs) 01:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

It looks like you've come up with at least two good refs. Sd removed. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 01:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Airmen's Cave

Thanks for your comment on my annoying yet valid article deletion. I've rewritten the article and would love some critique before I try to repost it. It can be found in the talk page here Talk:Airmen's Cave —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lacitpo (talk • contribs) 01:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad to look it over for you. The main issue with it is that you still don't have a solid reference for it. The document that you've provided appears to be someone's personal self-published account of the cave--which makes it suspect. You'll want to provide a more substantial reference (for instance, a newspaper article) if you want it to survive another round without SD. I don't doubt that the cave exists; unfortunately, you must prove that it does. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 01:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
About.com isn't much better, as, like Wikipedia, anyone can edit it. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 01:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
So I've searched and searched and the best I've come up with is this [3]. It contains little information about the cave but confirms it's existence. I do not believe there is a citeable source regarding the history of the cave since most of the history has been passed by word of mouth through Austin area cavers, so I wonder what sort of method if any there would be for information about this cave to make it onto wikipedia. I am planning an extensive trip to the cave in a week or two.... is there a way I could document our trip in a fashion that would allow that information to be usable on wikipedia? It just seems a shame that I can get this thing on here because it really seems like it should be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lacitpo (talk • contribs) 02:04, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
sorry to bug you so much. I found reference to the cave's existence on the official austin city web site inside of a PDF presentation on austin area caving preservation www.ci.austin.tx.us/watershed/downloads/ec_cave_presentation.pdf Could this be enough to at least warrant the creation of the article with some very basic information about the cave? Lacitpo (talk) 02:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
also this [4] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lacitpo (talk • contribs) 02:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
It looks like the newspaper article about people getting lost in Airman's Cave and the related pdf article are solid references that support the existence of the cave. So, your next steps are:
  • leave messages on the pages of those admins that deleted the article. Present your proof that the cave exists and is WP:notable and make a commitment that, if the article is re-instated, you will not make copywrite violations as you did in the first two instances (i.e,, put the article in your own words while citing the appropriate sources).
  • If that doesn't get the page re-instated, see Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Deletion review for information on how to get a deletion review set up.
  • I'd be glad to back up the legitimacy of your claim; you may point to this discussion. However, I am not an admin, so I can't reverse the deletion myself.
--Pgagnon999 (talk) 03:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
P.S., these are the admins that deleted the article: User:Malinaccier, User:Jayron32, User:Jauerback.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 03:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Jacques Lanxade

Hi! I turned down the speedy delete request for this article because the article, while very brief, does make a notability claim and hence WP:CSD A7 does not apply. Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 05:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

How is the former head of the French defense staff, an admiral, and former head of the French navy not notable?

I really can't see why you would speedy delete tag Jacques Lanxade other than you did not read the stub or do not comprehend that the man had significant control of nukes and is currently proposing that NATO significantly be reformed to make nuclear war more easily engaged in. He's also a former ambassador but I only found that out *after* you speedy delete tagged it. I'm removing the tag as there's no reason for it. TMLutas (talk) 05:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

If you included this information in the article, I would have never sd'd it.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 05:38, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
The title quote is a restatement of the stub and should have been sufficient for notability. Every time I start an article some joker comes along and tries to speedy delete it without doing the minimum research necessary to have an informed opinion. After the 3rd time, it gets tiresome. TMLutas (talk) 05:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Again, I did not see notability. However, the Sd admin did. Try to keep it civil and assume good faith. If people keep deleting your stubs, that may be telling you something. . .perhaps you need to include more binding information in them. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 05:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I do not see any incivility in my post to you. In fact, I was quite proud of how much I'd dialed my actual feelings down. I write articles on two wikipedias, english and romanian. It is only in the english language one that I get these speedy deletes yet my romanian is not as good as my english. It is a clear cultural difference. The difference in behavior is telling me something, but I would guess that it's something different than what you had in mind. If I thought you were not doing this in good faith, I'd cite you for it. I have not so can we dispense with the brushback? TMLutas (talk) 05:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't want to get into an argument with you. You may be right; there may indeed be a cultural snafu happening here; however, I looked at your stub and re-read several times before sd tagging it. I tend to assume that when someone puts me in the same category of "jokers" that they are not being entirely civil.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 05:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

My Name Is Khan

Turned down this speedy delete request. A movie is not a person, organization, or web content, so WP:CSD A7 does not apply. Suggest WP:AFD --Shirahadasha (talk) 05:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Sd'd because of WP:Crystal--Pgagnon999 (talk) 05:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Article nominated for AfD. Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 06:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

FYI there seem to be some keep votes and some arguments for keep, so the Afd isn't looking certain. Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 14:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

That's fine, Shira. I don't feel a rabid desire for the death of this article. When the article appeared on new page patrol it lacked references, context, and was about an suggested unreleased movie (see WP:Crystal). If other editors can establish some credibility for it and context, that's great. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 15:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Use of WP:CSD

You might want to consider using the WP:AFD or WP:PROD process a bit more and WP:CSD a bit less. At a gut level CSD is really intended for really obvious stuff -- articles that say "Mikey is a weanie" or articles on someone's pet hamster, a band that say's it's going to put together a demo some day, pure advertising, etc. If the article might possibly be on a serious subject, even if it's a really badly-written article, CSD isn't really appropriate. Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 14:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Shira, thanks for your feedback. With regard to my processes on new page patrol, I don't tag via "gut" instinct; I think if you look back on my contributions to sd, you'll see that about 95% of the articles I've tagged have been approved for deletion. I also go back and review my own work, and sometimes reverse my own sd. . .and I'm long on communicating with editors about problems with their articles. That said, I'm certainly not perfect, and opinions about baseline WP:notability vary between editor to editor and admin to admin depending on where they lean on the keeper vs. deletionist scale. I'd rate myself somewhere in the middle, as many articles that I've simply put "references needed" tags on have been subsequently tagged for deletion by others.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 15:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Good Job!

Nice work on the Monadnock-Sunapee Greenway article! Thanks! Cooljeanius (talk) (contribs) 01:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 03:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

geo-stubs

Hi Pgagnon999 - good to see a few more noew stub articles on places in New Hampshire 9good work!). A suggestion, though... since there are a huge number of geo-stubs (over 100,000 on WP!), different countries and states now each have their own geo-stub templates, almost all in the form StateName-geo-stub. It'd save a bit of work down the track (and make the stubs easier for editors to find) if you cound add {{NewHampshire-geo-stub}} rather than just {{geo-stub}} when you make new articles about NH. Thanks - and keep up the good work! :) Grutness...wha? 03:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem; I'll be glad to. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 03:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Need Some Pointers

I've never used the archive feature before. Could you please give me some pointers? --Candy156sweet (talk) 05:27, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure. Please have a look at Help:Archiving a talk page; if you still need help let me know. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 05:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your help. Have a great rest of your week. --Candy156sweet (talk) 05:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Glad to help. You too. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 05:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
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