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[edit] Sacramento River drainage map ...

I've been enjoying the quite excellent map you made of the drainage area of the Sacramento River about a year ago Image:Sacramento watershed.png, and have been considering trying to do something similar for adjacent and tributary rivers, such as the Trinity River (California). So the question I've been puzzling over is - how did you make such a wonderful map?

You cite "USGS data" as the basic information - could you steer me to where within the USGS database/website you found the details of the drainage area information? I hope that you didn't have to laboriously pick out the drainage area by hand!

Second, once you had the information defining the boundary of the drainage area, how did you trace that information onto the map of California? Again, I hope that you didn't have to freehand the drainage area boundary onto the map!

So, if you would be kind enough to share a bit of your secrets, I'd like to try creating drainage area maps for other rivers in Northern California. Thanks! NorCalHistory (talk) 08:01, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for lifting the curtain and letting us see a bit backstage! I'll take a close look at the rough maps you've pulled together. What I actually have been toying with is an article on the "Trinity Divide" separating the watersheds of the Sacramento from the Trinity/Klamath Rivers. There are quite a few interesting things along that divide. Did the rough maps you threw together come with Photoshop-type layers or are they all merged down? Thanks again!

PS: this one is one of mine ... took all day! NorCalHistory (talk) 07:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lakewood, Washington

You've contributed a lot to Puget Sound area articles. Would you be willing to take a look at the debate I'm having at Talk:Lakewood, Washington and do whatever you think is best? Travisl (talk) 16:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the nofollow information. I'd quoted where it's mentioned in WP:EL earlier in the discussion, but it's good to have the info reinforced. Travisl (talk) 00:01, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Columbia River

Pfly, thanks for your recent attention to the Columbia River article, which finally made it to GA. I've been chipping away at it for a long time, and your recent editing and attention to detail made a big difference in getting it up to snuff. Very gratifying to have such a talented group assemble around the article. Hope you'll continue to work on it as we move toward FA! -Pete (talk) 03:40, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review request

Hi Pfly, congrats on the Columbia River article. I loved your comment on using the creek articles I work on as a model for such a big river. I think it would be like using a mouse as a model for an elephant.

Speaking of mice ;-), if you have a chance could you look at Wikipedia:Peer review/List of tributaries of Larrys Creek/archive1 and see if you have any suggestions for how the article could be improved? I am going to try and go for WP:FLC with it and would appreciate feedback from soemone who has river knowledge. Thanks in advance for any help, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 14:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spokane River

Hi, when you did all those Columbia tributary river maps did you skip the Spokane river? I didn't see one over at commons. Kmusser (talk) 16:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Columbia District

I'd say go for it and if you want the Photoshop file for my map to use as a base I can send it to you. I think the only things it was really missing were the HBC district boundary and adding a couple of the major HBC trails. Kmusser (talk) 12:16, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Had a look at the text you made, Pfly, needs a tweak here and there but reads well; "joint occupancy" is a thorny term; try and find the Anglo-American Treaty and read, I think, Article III. "Joint occupancy" is how we're taught it up here; it's more like the Nootka Convention, where both sides agreed not to agree, and also in a way not to prejudice other Powers' claims to the area (e.g. Russia); diplomatic language in treaties is an entirely different thing once it hits the post-negotiatory cocktail party and press conference though; I had a real go-to about the joint occupancy thing on either Talk:Oregon boundary dispute or Talk:Oregon Country, I think with user:Aboutmovies who I first locked horns with over Hollywood North, as I recall; the term itself is not actually in the agreement but grew up over time as an interpretation of its meaning; related wording about this I also noted on another article yesterday, what was it? - oh yeah, hmm, can't remember exactly, had to do with the California-0regon boundary resulting from the Franco-Spanish partition of territories they'd never set foot in ;-). Anyway, that's not why I dropped by...see next section.Skookum1 (talk) 19:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Anyway, I have a copy up at http://www.fantasymaps.com/images/oregon2.psd if you want to download it.Kmusser (talk) 13:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Er, that's a PSD file, I'm using a fully-loaded (as in loaded with data, not fully loaded like a set of wheels) G4 with not much squeeze room left for a 65mb file, and I don't think iPhoto likes PSD files that much; mind posting it in JPG, GIF or PNG?Skookum1 (talk) 13:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
It's meant for Pfly, who I think has Photoshop, and if so can take advantage of Photoshop's layers. The PNG version is what's already in the article. Kmusser (talk) 14:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
(Skookum, it's the photoshop version of the map already on Columbia District). Thanks Karl -- I had been thinking I'd extend it farther north and south, but in looking at your lovely map now I'm thinking I'll just stick with it and make some edits. Thanks again! Pfly (talk) 14:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dalles des Morts

Finally started it, wound up only blockquoting two of the archival sources, didn't get to the main disaster which is here and in the geneaological-page link; I read another account a while ago in a book, can't think which as it was last summer sometime, must have been something in the Wells, British Columbia library, where I lived during June....anyway re Dalles des Morts if you can think of any further cats....?Skookum1 (talk) 19:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Yikes, I just tried a topozone.com search for Dalles as in "contains" and it's a wide array of places; including Little Dalles Canyon, which is the site of the Revelstoke Canyon Dam (I guess Little Dalles Canyon => Revelstoke Canyon maybe?). Off to the gym but it looks like I've got myself some stubbing to do.....Skookum1 (talk) 21:57, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] BC Flathead

Nice one. A late one-time friend of mine had been the 3rd generation guide-outfitter for the BC part of the Flathead; Bob died a couple of years ago in South Africa facing down a cape buffalo...he'd go on about the Flathead, it was his real home; there's a negative image of guide outfitters among nature/eco types, but Bob was an ardent conservationist like many packers, and fought and fought against the coal-mining and logging plans for that area....Flathead-Kishinena is it? Still a point of controversy, I don't know who's leading the battle now Bob's gone; I think American environmental heat is most likely to stop BC's plans, as Glacier Nat'l Park is what's downstream...it's also one of the last bits of the southern Cdn Rockies that's not ripped up (like the Elk Valley is...), since so much of the rest is in national parks, granted (unlike BC's other ranges). But yeah, it's often overlooked that BC has a small chunk of the Columbia basin that's not part of the Okanagan, Kettle, Columbia-main or Kootenay basins, and orients towards Montana....btw if the US had accepted one British proposal, the boundary would have run up the Columbia to Boat Encampment, the Kootenays would have been part of the US....they'd originally suggested the Snake, then the Columbia to Waneta and then along the 49th; can't remember why the Boat Encampment offer even came up; the Americans certainly never offered it, not that I can see why they would, that is....but none of the diplomats in charge of these decisions had any idea of the reality on the ground. "Do they ever?", I suppose...Skookum1 (talk) 06:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hood Canal

That's a good source on whether Hood Canal is part of Puget Sound. I've visited my grandparents' place on the canal since the mid 1970s, and while we never considered it part of Puget Sound, I don't think I can count them as a reliable source :-) I've added the categorization back.

I did hear somewhere, many years ago, that the "true" Puget Sound only included the part of the sound south of the Narrows Bridge (meaning that Elliot Bay, for example, was not part of Puget Sound). I was doubtful of the source then, and I'm even more doubtful now, but I sure wish I could find it again to see if I could figure out what they were really intending.

Thanks, BTW, for the maps. I've only done one (Tacoma Narrows) and would really like to figure out how to do nicer ones (like all of the new WA state highway maps that have been updated recently).Travisl (talk) 20:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Spanish history in the Pacific Northwest

Just created this, seems to be more than called for, haven't added ship names yet, just captains and Nootka Sound and Fort San Miguel. Came out of researching Alberni Canal/Inlet which I'll take up on that talkpage.Skookum1 (talk) 16:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discovery Passage map

Thanks for doing the maps you have added to several BC pages. They are excellent. I wonder though if the abbreviation of Discovery Passage to Discovery Pass is correct. Pass with a dot to indicate is is an abbreviation would be one way to do it, but it looks to me like there is room for the whole word. I think Pass and Passage have two different meanings. Pass, to me at least, means a mountain pass. The marine charts I have, don't use Pass as equivalent to Passage. I could be wrong about this whole thing, but thought I would ask. --KenWalker | Talk 15:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

"Pass" is fvairly common as avernacular contraction of the marine context of "Passage" - think Active Pass, although that name is at least gazetted that way. I spent time last night looking for Canoe Pass as it's the name of ht part of Fort George Canyon the Nechacco (sternwheeleer) picture was taken in; found two "Canoe Passages", one in the Broughton Archipelago, the other in Barkley Sound. It's also used by bivouac. for the pass between the Fraser and Canoe Rivers at Valemount, but officially it's a high alpine pass in that same area. As far as marine usages of "pass" go there's also Deception Pass and others.Skookum1 (talk) 15:55, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Can't find the right link; see Steamboats of the Upper Fraser River in British Columbia, not taht it matters.Skookum1 (talk) 15:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

It was my mistake. I was working off a little atlas of BC I have, which called it Discovery Pass. It was only as I added the map to wikipedia that I saw Passage. Checked BCGNIS which confirmed Passage. I'll fix it in a while when I get the chance.

What I'd like is a better atlas of BC. Something like the Benchmark Maps of US states. The little atlas I have is this one. Pfly (talk) 16:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

This is BC Basemap which is useful for all kinds of things, including checking official names and multiple names; it reflects the provicnial gazette. Anothher is the Land and Data Resources Warehouse Catalogue, much the same thing but more complex; it's supposed to supersede basemap but they haven't taken the latter down yet; there are more simplified forms of them, also, on http://maps.gov.bc.ca but basemap for now (that Columbia Basin development map from Talk:Columbia River is built on one of the simpler forms) is the most versatile and easiest to use..Skookum1 (talk) 16:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why Local history is so important

Important? Well, fascinating anyway. I was looking up Rock Creek Gold Rush in google to try and find out the gold revenue from the rush as pre a talkpage request and came across this. Found similar while prepping to write he steamboat articles I still haven't gogto on the Thompson and Uppermost Columbia et al....but this one's a goodie; Camp McKinney and Anarchist Mountain both need writeups, maybe also China Road; and Rock Creek, British Columbia needs better one....by the way did you see that Wiki scholarship thing for Alexandria Egypt? I'm tossing around a Local history outreach progfram to gert a lot of this tiny-history stuff into Wiki; it's the only way to preserve pioneer history, in teh detail and lexiligyt needed. Whatever I'm exhuasted, going t oberd...

[edit] Marine Maps

The map you have added to Haro Strait is yet another valuable contribution. Thanks for doing it. Sometime if you are inclined it might be interesting to plot the alternative boundaries around San Juan Island for use in Pig War although there is already a nice map there showing the current boundary and/or for use in the Oregon boundary dispute article. I see that there is a useful map in Alaska boundary dispute. Dixon Entrance uses a copies of hyrdrographic charts to show the different boundary claims. Something that shows the area claimed by both countries might be useful. A pet bug of mine that would be clarified with a map is something that shows the part of Skookumchuck Narrows in the Sechelt Inlet that is correctly described as Sechelt Rapids and incorrectly called Skookumchuk Rapids by many. If you need specifics, I could mail you something from a marine chart showing the specifics. Anyway, these are just ideas of mine and I am sure you have many of your own that have higher priority. There is certainly no shortage of pages that need maps even just in BC. Cheers and thanks again! --KenWalker | Talk 22:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Just to note that "Skookumchuck Rapids" is redundant - "rapids rapids".Skookum1 (talk) 01:54, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Estevan Group

Your stuff on Jacinto Caamano got me going; I looked other Spanish names up in the area, saw Dewdney and Barnard in the listing, and Trutch, and realized it was worth an article. Do you mind doing the BCGNIS stubs? I'm tired now (3:20am); if these islands aren't mentioned on their LG pages under "legacy" they should be; they probably are, though, at least on Dewdney's and Trutch's as IIRC there's been a lot of work on those.....Skookum1 (talk) 06:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Marine fur trade

...And subcat Category:Vessels of the marine fur trade or Category:Marine fur trade vessels...I'd say it's about time to start these as subcats of Category:Fur trade, no? Meares, Barkley, Colnett, the Tonquin et al. We have enough articles to make these worth the bother, yes? It seems necessary to distinguish the Marine fur trade as an article, too, as it's quite different from the land-based Fur trade article, and also a missing component in the USPOV Old China trade article....on a related but very obscure tangent, in Pethick he talks about Khiatka which was a fur market on the Russo-Chinese border where a lot of Canadians furs got sold into China; via St. Petersburg and Murmansk, no less....; no Khiatka article, not sure if that's an alt spelling of something there's an article for....most Pacific Northwest furs, if not all, were sold in Canton btw....and were the thin edge of the wedge for opening trade with China which led to the Opium Wars....16:47, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SS's

Those were all guesswork, sometimes stated that way in a source; and assumed for US-based ships; never knew quite when to use MV and found out RMV pre-empts all else, and so on, all since....fix anything you see there....I do have the Komagata Maru on therere, don't I?Skookum1 (talk) 03:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gray at Nootka

This is what I couldn't remember at the sandbox/talk - re your comment about Gray being ignored because he was American - a "Continental" and also, no, the archetypal Boston man? it would make an interesting little playlet, a meeting between Gray and Vancouver; the latter an aristocrat and royal patriot with good manners but probably disaste for the rebel captain; the US was so new-born now it would have een like having someone from a fringe party show up at at national convention; i.e. Vancouver and Quadra manifested empires, Gray only a set of colonies that were less than twenty years from the "British yoke". I'd say he was a blip on Vancouver's horizon, socially anyway, and anathema to associate much with. Often thought a dinner party scene with Maquinna, Vancouver and Quadra would make great high theatre....Skookum1 (talk) 03:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kuykendall FYI

See Ralph Simpson Kuykendall You probably already know about him; the great divide of the border has kept him off my radar, I just happened to find him while wiki searching "James Colnett" to see what was out there; he has a paper on Colnett way down in the very impressive publications list....wish we had somebody as thorough about the PacNW as he appeaers to have been about Hawaii.Skookum1 (talk) 14:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Princess Royal DYK

Updated DYK query On 8 May 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Princess Royal (sloop), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Daniel Case (talk) 13:01, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] King Island (British Columbia)

Congrats on the DYK thingamawhatzit. Referring King Island (British Columbia), which I just added the Nuxalk name for, to your good island-article-making offices; also we should consider a ranking list of islands on the BC coast by size and population, no?Skookum1 (talk) 14:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] resource link

Just clearing out my open tabs by storing/sending various links so I don't lose track, or they go where they're most useful; I thought maybe this article might have some content useful for various island/coast articles. Note Dzawadli, which I've put notice on OMR that he shoudl write ;-): Nature Conservancies established recentlySkookum1 (talk) 15:01, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] the things you find on BCGNIS (minor Spanish placenames)

I was looking up Labouchere for you; I think it's a ship or a British officer....and in the process found Labouchere Passage, down by Nanaimo, and a link to Dibuxante Point which looked suspiciously Spanish and indeed it was; Josef Cordero I think also is the source of the name Cardero, most well-known to Vancouverites as a street in the West End. Dibuxante Point is not notable enough to warrant an article, but Cordero/Cardero is at some point....minor tidbits like this is why List of Spanish placenames in the Pacific Northwest (Coast) is maybe a good idea.Skookum1 (talk) 12:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Found a Leche Point, too.....obviously Spanish ("milk"), I'd think.Skookum1 (talk) 13:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
About Labouchere, which I know I've seen something on somewhere recently (but not on a direct lookup in BCGNIS, which has "no origin notes at this time" - must have been a side-reference in another BCGNIS listing...), not only are there Labouchere Passage and Labouchere Channel, in Alaska there's a community/bay Labouchere Bay; all the same name-origin I'd think; looks from a basic Wiki search on that name to be that of a British lord-cum-cabinet official at the time, just not sure which one.Skookum1 (talk) 13:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jose Ferrer de Maldonado

Hi; see this and follow the link and look for the chapter; Admiral Bartholomew de Fonte, maybe Bartolomeo de Fonte, is also discussed as are details about de Fuca.....there's a tidbit about Malaspina being sent north to look for the Straits of Maldonado, also....Skookum1 (talk) 14:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pig War Map

Terrific job. Not only does it make the whole situation clear, but if someone looks at it, they can see that the natural route, where the border was supposed to be, was not chosen. Oh well. Thanks for doing it. --KenWalker | Talk 02:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Ditto; on a similar tack would both of you please visit the talkpage at Alaska Boundary Dispute and see the last section re the Dixon Entrance/A-B Line....(ps nice map on 'Namgis First Nation tooSkookum1 (talk) 02:20, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
The maps at Dixon Entrance could be improved. --KenWalker | Talk 02:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] HMS Sutlej

There's an HMS Sutlej (1899) article but nothing for earlie4r vessels. I became interesetd in this this morning because the Bella Coola ferry terminal is at Sutlej Point, opposite Tallheo, British Columbia, which I just wrote. Theres' no name/history in BCGNIS but I found this which is surprisingly thorough despite some very-unPC wording about natives being "pirates" and the use of "Amerindians" in the text. See the menu at left on that page for other tidbits, as well as the previous pages associated with the linked one, which has further on the Sutlej. I would have started the article but haven't found anything on when the vessel was built so HMS Sutlej (18xx) remains unstarted.Skookum1 (talk) 17:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Wanted to add, as occurred to me while I was out on chores, that it's surprising the number of native-Royal Navy and native-marine fur trader conflicts, as you'll discover looking through that military history site. List of conflicts in Canada I've added a few BC "wars" too (Rock Creek, Rossland, Wild Horse Creek being non-conflicts that almost were...) and wondered about how to address the many incidents of violent conflict on the coast; you'll note on that page I linked to the Destruction of Opitsaht by Gray; the Sutlej's destruction of Marktosis was in the same league, and I'd forgotten about the other RN engagements in the 1850s...as it is I've been putting off writing Lamalcha War (1863) as it's very complicated and needs the full roster of local First Nations written up; the military history website's description of "pirates" is kinda apt for the Lamalcha, whom Terry Glavin has described to me as "the bikers of the Gulf"; but in other cases thte military history record seems to avoid decribing Edenshaw and others as "enemy leaders" and talks about their cooptation into cooperation by show of force; it's Canada's way of staying in denial that there were never any real Indian Wars up here; in reality the Coast of BC was subdued by force; the Interior somewhat more by diplomacy, other than the Fraser Canyon War (which was settled by diplomacy, though freelance instead of official). Anyway, just thoughts; I know you're busy, but if you happen to turn up a date for the Sutlej let me know and I'll start a stub and post it to the WPShips and Royal Navy work areas; I think it may have been the 1st of that name, so HMS Sutlej might be able to be the title-article.Skookum1 (talk) 19:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
The military history site also reminded me that rather just the Royal Navy in the NW list page an actual article summarizing the Pacific Squadron's deployment and actions along hte Coast is needed; there's so many ships, so many incidents....Skookum1 (talk) 19:12, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
There is a disambiguation page at HMS Sutlej, and the ship you are thinking of is at HMS Sutlej (1855). Even if a ship is the first to bear that name, it would still need to be disambiguated by a launch date or a pennant number, as the ship list page for that name would be at the undisambiguated ship name. Benea (talk) 21:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FYI HMS America

Thought you might find it interesting; I'll be linking the same chapter, all of it, to the Oregon boundary dispute talkpage and article, and have a look at my recent edits there and associated talkpage comments ;-|. Later, it's a semi-nice day and I should maybe clean my room ;-).Skookum1 (talk) 16:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Masset conferred by Spaniards

And here I always thought it was a purely Haida hereditary/potlatched name, but note this from Masset, British Columbia:

The name Masset was a gift from the Captain of a Spanish vessel that was repaired with the assistance of the Haida citizens of Atewaas, Kayung and Jaaguhl. These three villages accepted the gift and adopted the name Masset to commemorate what might be the first ever contact

Any idea which ship/captain? I'll get back to you about the Oregon boundary/Bob Gray stuff later, just getting up now.Skookum1 (talk) 14:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Labouchere (paddle steamer) FYI

Not sure what else you might ahve to add; bio articles on namesake family/company seem called form but mostly English history (see google for this name).Skookum1 (talk) 22:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks, and DYK

Thanks for the message on my talk page. Also, did you knotice you just created a redundant DYK nom on the Nootka Crisis -- I'm going to move mine into the section with yours, not sure which is the better hook, but they should at least be near each other! -Pete (talk) 01:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kwakwaka'wakw subgroups map

Hi; found a great breakdown of kwakwaka'wakw "political geography" at the U'Mista Cultural Centre website; go to this page and you'll see the map, which is a javascript popup so I can't link it here (or don't know how to do that). Still can't figure out Nahwitti/newitty, awaiting reply from OMR about that; the Nakwaxdax are listed as being frmo Blunden Harbour, not on the north tip of Vancouver Island, so I'm wanting to know what the difference is, or if it's simply a relocation. But otherwise a great map, and i wish the Nuu-chah-nulth could bnring themselves to do this (without going to war with each other....).Skookum1 (talk) 21:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that is a nice map. I was able to get the direct URL, http://www.umista.org/masks_story/en/ht/images/intro/mapLg.jpg -- by control-clicking the popped-up window and choosing "Copy image location" from the pop-up menu (Mac and Firefox, like you). Just fyi. Pfly (talk) 21:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Good to know.....that's the first native-written site I've seen which mentions extinct subgroups/tribes, by the way; the Kwakwaka'wakw seem to be a bit more open than other groups, or U'Mista is anyway. User:KenWalker gave me the heads-up on some vanished Clayoquot Sound group, for example, which I've never seen the websites of the surviving group own up to the existence of (possibly because they helped exterminate them....)....I'll send you a pdf I found on the Kwakwaka'wakw which is pretty blunt about their expansion - in hte "early historical period" (early 19th Cnetury, not much ealier as I had thought) to Quatsino Sound and down into Quadra/Campbell River; btw look on OMR's talk page on the "You're gonna love these" section I added and check out Comox's old graveyard figures....Skookum1 (talk) 21:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nootka Crisis

Updated DYK query On 25 May 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nootka Crisis, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 17:00, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Dixon-Meares Controversy

Found this and thought you might be interested.....Skookum1 (talk) 14:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SS Ships etc.

When I created that page I used "SS" as a way of designating ship-redlinks; many edits since have changed the entries when the relevant article got made; so ignore 'em, and no reason to comment on 'em in the comments field; just change the entry. Almost all entries of the first verrsiojn(s) of this page were c rated by cribbing anything in italics in the indiices of the Akrigg's British Columbia Chronicle, both vols. As for the Golden Hind(e) I saw your inline comment - the thing is it's near-and-dear to imperial sentiment that Drake may have visited BC, and that Nova Albion was a bigger place than just wherever in Cali or OR might be "proven". yes, it's apocryphal - but so in not quite so apocryphal a was was de Fuca's visit....Anyway in the comments field "alleged to have visited the BC Coast" or jsut ref New Albion....see my comments at Talk:New Albion also. Hmmm there was something else about the ships list, it'll come back to me I guess, taht i saw when reviewing your recent changes. Oh, in the new F.W.Howay link at Talk:Edward Stamp there's mention of the HBC barque Princess Royal......now I remember - re the North West America (sloop) should the Santa Gertrudis or whatever just be a rediect to it, or should it have a separate article for its time under the Spanish flag?Skookum1 (talk) 19:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The listpage entry for the Santa Gertrudis re the North West America is the Santa Gertrudis La Magna - is that the same ship? The link is hidden/piped.....Skookum1 (talk) 19:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
postscript from the other night re your reply on my talkpage: yes, small-case "l" on la Magna. Who was St. Gertrude the Great anyway? An oddly Dutch form of the name to see on a Spanish ship....Skookum1 (talk) 03:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Masset Inlet

I haven't created Masset Sound or Masset Harbour yet (unless the harbour already has an article, which it may) but thought to give you a heads-up on the Masset Inlet article, which I created as a spinoff making Yakoun River, Slatechuck Mountain, Slatechuck Creek; can't remember where the tidbit on the Spanish-source name was, maybe BCGNIS but I hate how long that site takes to load (database sites can be like that....). You may have found some mention also in your readings of when the first outsider penetrated into it; Old Masset, "the Haida metropolis", guards its entrance frrom the sea so I'd imagine whoever made the first sally into its inner reaches would haev had to be on good terms with the Haida (or fully gunned....).Skookum1 (talk) 03:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shout Out

Thanks for all your great images! Northwesterner1 (talk) 18:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cumshewa Inlet

That shouldn't be redlinked ina few mninutes; I've been writing Cumshewa-related articles since looking up some mines and logging camps that had been located there....it's amazing how many mines/company towns there were on the Charlottes btw, something I didn't know....anyway please see Talk:Cumshewa, British Columbia as there's mentioned of the massacre of the crew of the American ship Resolution (ship), which may or may not have an article depending on the disambig possibilities....also re the blockquote thing for BCGNIS info; I think we can just copy-paste that stuff, when appropriate or appropriate parts of it anyway; if I find something from the Jesup expedition I'll just quote it as a quote from there, but I'm starting to think that quoting BCGNIS straight over is fair game; and oh so much easier than cribbing and tweaking to avoid copyvio.....I guess you're close to the hatching experience, which explains your relative inactivity....looking for the happy tidings any day now right?Skookum1 (talk) 03:01, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Yep, today, June 1, 12:24 AM. All's well but for tired and busy! Pfly (talk) 19:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Blue booties or pink booties?Skookum1 (talk) 20:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Another F.W. Howay book

Hi; just found this which looks like it will have lots of maritime and fur trade history; trying to find pop stats for various tribes, Howay mentions some in the other books of his I've looked at, prob. in this one also.Skookum1 (talk) 15:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Koyah and Kendrick 4 U

I was researching Ninstints and foudn this which if you haven't seen it has some juicy stuff on Kendrick; surprising for the DictCanBiogOnline to have a native gio for BC; they'r rarek Klatassine may have one maybe, also maybe [[someone else but not Maquinna, I looked (surprising). I "was" planning a series of articles on Haida chiefs, but just sotrting out the villages is proving tough enough; I'm thinking a List of Haida villages would help because of all the different names for them. But in reality I'm facing a wikibreak again, as it's only one topic area I have tons of articles I could spend all my time doing and not get at getting the what's got to be gotten etc. Making a living doing what I gotta do etc. Wiki is bottomless as you know; I meant to get at teh steamboats befgore I split, maybe I'll at least get the Thompson-Shuswap article done up plus the necessary enrichments to Big Bend Gold Rush and other articles (again, bottomless given the number of bios and places interconnected...). Also the goldfields towns of my area, the Bridge River Country, and of the Cariboo. Too damn much history and geograaphy -a famous old line about Canada is that it has "too much geography and not enough history". But it's got lots of history, huh? I'm still bound to the place, thousands of miles away at the other end of the country; but realistically unless I find a way to fund all this activity I'm gonna have to tear off again; I'l be back some time, when the time comes (I'm not gone yet) but just a heads-up that it's coming soon. My music's not quite like your new kid, but the time/energy commitment's got to be on the sam orde for it, and me, to work....anyway g'nite.Skookum1 (talk) 04:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] west of the Rockies

It's always amused me the gaffes that Oregon Imperialists make; on the one hand asserting ownership up to 54-40, and then knowing nothing about the area they claim; Fort McLeod is the oldest, 1805, and is south of 54-40. And no less a NWC establishment than Fort Astoria. The term "English-speaking is a bit awkward; the forts operated in a mix of CJ, French and Scots English (plus Kanaka and who knows what else...). Ft St. John by the way is east of the Rockies, though in BC (that northeastern sector is part of the Prairies). TW anythying you come across about other specific Kanaks or Kanaka ctivity/settlement, please put links on teh [Kanakas]] talkpage; I'm intending on finally splitting that before I wikibreak again; Kanaka (Oceania) and Kanaka (North America); the Australasian editors on that page behave much as certin Oregon editors do; it's "their topic" and I can only be wrong beucase they know it's derisive and can't see it any other way....sigh; Koppel's book on the Kanakas is interesting though a bit soppy by thew ay.Skookum1 (talk) 12:46, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Donald McLean (fur trader)

I finally wrote this, but not as more than a cribbing from DictCanBio and there's heaps more to put in; it's just his name comes up so much it was time to at least start an article. You'll come across stories about him in refs to the coastal forts, esp. McLoughlin I think; please addd anything you find; his son Allan McLean (outlaw) I haven't gotten to yet; might be better to do one for the whole pack of 'em "The Wild McLean Boys" (see John Tannatt Ussher); another fur trader article needed is Donald Manson and sooner or later we're gonna have to pen Chief Trader etc articles....anyway enjoy "Samadlin", he's one of the more interesting characters in pre-Confederation BC history.Skookum1 (talk) 19:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Well done, a needed article. --KenWalker | Talk 19:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)