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KidCast This term was coined by me on May 19, 1995. I have written another article and supply references. How can this work be validated and not deleted?

Peter H. Rosen, founder V.A.R.I.O.U.S. 14:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I have a dear friend who I am requesting write a little piece entitled "transpersonal gestalt" since it doesn't appear in Wikipedia. Ed "Jor-El" Elkin founded this offshoot of traditional psychology. I am inviting him to make the proper entry in the Wikipedia.

-- PeterRosen - 09 July 2006

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[edit] Pronoia Tour

[edit] AfD Nomination: Pronoia Tour

I've nominated the article Pronoia Tour for deletion under the Articles for deletion process. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Pronoia Tour satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion. I have explained why in the nomination space (see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pronoia Tour. Don't forget to add four tildes (~~~~) at the end of each of your comments to sign them. You are free to edit the content of Pronoia Tour during the discussion, but please do not remove the "Articles for Deletion" template (the box at the top). Doing so will not end the discussion. Natalie 21:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your test

The article is notable because "KidCast for Peace; Solutions for a Better World, "was the first Interactive Broadcast of children in educational institutions making contact with each other via Video on the Internet! Further, KidCast for Peace has been honored by significant educational bodies, published and written about in various publications:

Magazines:

Published by ITSE and its magazine in print; distributed to teachers internationally: http://www.iste.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Membership/SIGs/SIGTel_Telelearning_/SIGTel_Online_Learning_Award/1998/SIGTel_Online_Learning_Award_Recipients_1998.htm

Australia Magazine: http://www.tlpeace.org.au/peace-building_for_children.htm

featured in television programs: NYC publication Visual Voices: http://www.wetheworld.org/wtw2/visualvoices/index.php4 and many web pages:

Times Foundation: http://timesfoundation.indiatimes.com/articleshow/856926.cms

sanctioned by UNESCO: http://www3.unesco.org/iycp/fr/fr_visu_action.asp?CodeAction=708

Promoted by CNN: http://www.cnn.com/NATURE/9904/22/earth.day.web/

Official Program Guide: 60th Anniversary of the [United Nations program guide] PDF (bottom of page 8)

Carried and distributed by ISP-TV: http://baby.indstate.edu/CU-SeeMe/devl_archives/apr_96/0305.html

Educational Institutions participating in our program:

SIGGRAPH (Special Interest Group on Computer Graphics): http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=280953.281386

The project facilitated the very first use of broadcasting video on the internet with K12 children. Specifically, telepresent Problem Solving which allows students for various locations and time zones to participate virtually in a computer-mediated meeting, to use remotely located robotic tools, or to engage simultaneously in similar activities at different project sites:

http://www.cameron.k12.wi.us/hs/lmc/distance/harris.htm

University of Texas: http://www.edb.utexas.edu/servicelearning/resource.html

Turkish Online Journal of Educational Technology: http://www.tojet.net/articles/332.htm

  • Furthermore, this Google Search demonstrates the participation by many peace and educational organization adding momentum to and validating that Creativity Cafe's KidCast for Peace was first used and coined by Peter H. Rosen of V.A.R.I.O.U.S. Media, Maui Hawaii.*

please reconsider in light of the above, inclusion of KidCast for Peace; Solutions for a Better World as an example of peace activism for children harnessing technology at the beginning of the 21St Century. Peter H. Rosen, founder V.A.R.I.O.U.S. 06:45, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for experimenting with the page Zippies on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Khatru2 07:29, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


A tag has been placed on KidCast, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable, that is, why an article about that subject should be included in Wikipedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert notability may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is notable, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Steve (Slf67) talk 08:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on KidCast, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article is a repost of either already posted material, or of material that was previously deleted in a deletion debate, such as articles for deletion. If you can indicate how KidCast is different from all other articles, or if you can indicate why this article should not be deleted, I advise you to place the template {{hangon}}, and also put a note on Talk:KidCast saying why this article should stay. An admin should check for such edits before deleting the article. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Please read our criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 4 under General criteria. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. We welcome your help in trying to improve Wikipedia, and we ask you to follow these instructions.

Please see the deletion debate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KidCast and if you wish the deletion to be reviewed, please follow the procedure at Wikipedia:Deletion review. Please do not repost the article in its current form. Tonywalton  | Talk 14:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] KidCast

I have deleted the above article for the third time, because it did not assert notability in any reasonable way and is a re-creation of information previously deleted through the aboveArticles for Deletion debate. Please do not re-create it. Links to directory listings and passing mentions in unrelated stories are not valid measures of notability. It would also be a good idea for you to review our conflict of interest guideline to avoid further problems.

As this is the third time this article has been created and deleted, consider this your final warning: if you continue to create unacceptable articles, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Kafziel Talk 14:51, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


I see what you are saying. KidCast and KidCast for Peace is notible because the broadcast from the Children's World Peace Festival on June 25, 1995 was the first public, multi-node video conference on the Internet that connected children at 3 different public and private San Francisco nodes, with Children in Hawaii, in a live, multipoint video conference using CU-SeeMe technology.

This was an extension of the work started by Cornell University to provide a video conferencing solution (CU-SeeME) for educators and students. KidCast for Peace was notable in that the General Public was invited into this normally closed to the public video networking environment (the first of its kind publicly)orchestrated by the membership of V.A.R.I.O.U.S., in Creativity Cafe's KidCast for Peace; Solutions for a Better World, interactive art event and installation. There have been 18 KidCasts for Peace to day since 1995.

Visitors to the Children's Discovery Museum who came upon the Creativity Cafe Installation, were invited to make drawings for peace and share them on the International Network

Peter H. Rosen, founder V.A.R.I.O.U.S. 08:29, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


Dear Mr. Kafziel,

Thanks for the feedback. My work has been published and referenced in many sources not online. May I scan and post them here or on my servers in order to supply the needed "secondary sources"?

Also Video was shot, recording our first production of KidCast for Peace and other work leading up to it (that are also "firsts"). Can this video be used in some way to sanctify my attempted submission?

What is the next step in validating the article on KidCast (KidCasting, KidCaster, etc).

What procedure is needed in order to vilify and have a KidCast page reinstated; since the first multi-node video conference by children to and with other children on the Internet is (IMHO) noteworthy.

Peter H. Rosen, founder V.A.R.I.O.U.S. (talk) 19:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] KidCast deletion

Mr. Rosen,

It looks like you've tried several times to create the KidCast page, and it has been deleted each time. I'll try to explain why this keeps happening, since it appears that the rationale behind the Wikipedia community's actions aren't clear to you.

The most important question here is: How notable is KidCast? As that page says: A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. The word "significant" in that sentence is open to question, of course, and this guideline is often debated among the editors of Wikipedia. It's clear that you feel strongly that KidCast deserves its own article, but when the page has been deleted three times, you need to recognize it as a sign that Wikipedia as a whole feels otherwise.

Without examining the specifics of this situation (which I really don't have time for just now), I would suggest to you that it's very unlikely that KidCast can exist as a Wikipedia article at this time, and that you should stop trying to make it a reality. From what I can tell, you're personally involved in this project (which looks to be a worthwhile endeavor), and my attitude might seem frustrating. However, I know how you feel.

One of my first Wikipedia experiments was to create a page on how chaos theory has been applied to the study of literature. However, since it's not considered a real, viable theory of literary criticism, the page was deleted. This was very aggravating to me, since I had spent many many months writing a senior undergraduate thesis on the topic. However, I've come to realize that this notability requirement is essential for how Wikipedia functions.

Furthermore, I've learned to recognize that small projects with which we're involved (in your case, KidCast; in my case, the Madison-Ainaro Sister-city Alliance) are not pages we should seek to create. For one thing, there is a conflict of interest; for another, we're not able to evaluate these topics' notability from a distance. In other words: If the world thinks it's really important, someone else will create a Wikipedia page for it (and the Wikipedia community will evaluate its notability at that time).

It's worth noting that this very same question about notability is a frequent topic of heated argument with regard to other topics, especially webcomics. Many times a webcomic has a small but devoted following which insists that the comic deserves a Wikipedia page; they clash with WP editors who insist it's not notable enough. Again, this notability requirement is often subjectively determined, and it must be a general sense of the community which makes the decision.

Part of me wonders if your attempts to make a Wikipedia page are part of your efforts to promote the site. If so, you need to remember that Wikipedia is not an advertising service, and that articles must be notable as defined on this page.

Good luck with your work for peace and creativity; I certainly share your dedication to these ideals. I also hope you'll contribute to Wikipedia in other ways; we always need intelligent, committed editors! Please let me know if you have other questions or thoughts. – Scartol • Tok 13:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

PS. You're not any relation to a Lisa Rosen in LA, are you? I've worked with her on East Timor-related issues in the past. – Scartol • Tok 13:52, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


Dear Mr. Piotrowski,

Thank you for your clarifying answer and heartfelt response. No relation to Lisa.

I appreciate your consideration and time taken to explore my motives and my work. And especially to compose your perfect response. You have pointed me in the right directions and at some point, I hope to read all the links you've included.

Let me assure you I merely want to be recognized as the person who coined the term, KidCast (KidCasting, KidCaster, etc.) meaning kids broadcast. I will go look at notable soon but first let me ask you something...

I have extensive press clippings with mention of this work that is not available on the internet. Could I scan and webify this "secondary source" by putting up a web page with the "in print" publications and references to KidCast?

Again, thanks so much for your time. I'd like to share a bit more of the motivation in my dedication to producing KidCast for Peace, if you'd like to know more (since you are an educator)?

FYI, There have been several other significant innovations in my "career" as an artist of heart in a world of war, that have been firsts. I am merely seeking to bring my work to a wider audience (indeed) and to go on record for my accomplishments -- hopefully to inspire others.

Peter H. Rosen, founder V.A.R.I.O.U.S. (talk) 19:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)