User talk:Peterkeyani

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Hello Peterkeyani, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome!  Pamri • Talk 08:46, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey Pete how are ya, well I have been going through your ends and have also showed them to my father and he would also like to wish you all the well and good reserching besides the new edition of Urdu version of Kai Gohar Nama translated by my father has just come in the market. Best of work and regard.


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[edit] Re: Kayani

Hi peter, Your edits are definitely good and are welcomed. I am an editor just like you. The links above are a good start for now about how wikipedia works and you should be able to figure out the rest by experience. Some pointers, based on your edits:

  • You need not title your pages in capitals like KEYANI, unless they are abbreviations, acronyms or for some other reason written in that way, since it makes them harder to find. To correct it, go to the article & click on the move tab at the top. I have moved KAYANI to Kayani. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions and [[Help:Renaming (moving) a page.
  • The two tags at the top of Kayani indicate that you need to properly format your text (follow the links on the tags to see what they are). I see you are already working towards it and you can remove those tags once you think you have sufficiently addressed those issues. I will try to help you with this.

And please remember to sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the current date and time. --Pamri • Talk 11:03, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Oops..forgot to answer the barnstar bit. I believe you meant what a barnstar means on wikipedia. Barnstars on Wikipedia are awarded (by wikipedians)to other wikipedians (wikipedia contributors) in appreciation of their efforts. Its just a way of thanking contributors. --Pamri • Talk 11:11, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Peter, please don't sign your name on the articles, since it is against policy. The history tab at the top and the contributions page show you have contributed to the article. Pamri • Talk 12:49, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Kayani

Hi, it's been a while ago I deleted that article, I had to look it up. The article was listed on Wikipedia:Copyright problems. There are huge sections in the article which are supposedly from a public domain source. However, it was a translation. Translations are copyrighted and there was no indication/proof that they are released in the public domain. A translation of an ancient text can still be copyrighted. Also this site [1] a large portion of text was copied & pasted but there is no indication that the text is released in the public domain. There also is no copyright notice on the site but that does not mean that the material is not copyrighted. When I looked again at the article I did noticed some sections of your own writing, if you want to I can restore this to the article you recreated. Garion96 (talk) 18:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I restored big parts. Also, don't forget you can sign your posts on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~). Garion96 (talk) 22:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey Pete

Long time, no hear? I kind of wondered if you settled somewhere during your research lol. Hope all is well and your research project into Gakhars went well.

I have been extremely busy with work, and also trying to balance that with my own tribe research. I've also found quite a few extras that I mentioned once to you re our tribes relationship with each other, considering they were both co inhabitants. There's been some mentions of intermarriage at some point (short lived) and also of the Lashkari, Hathi, Darwesh episode too. I will discuss in greater detail upon your response.

I would love to work with you on the topic of Janjuas and Gakhars relations. I managed to locate a couple of sources at the British Museum library that I need to get and check etc. Have you managed to dig any other info out too?

The Gakhar page kinda got hi jacked by some ardent tribalists so I left policing it after a while. Am glad that you've returned! Any help you ever need, Im at your service.--Raja 15:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


Hello, nice to hear your research is going well. Finding time for these interesting projects is always a challange is it not?

I have been lucky enough to track down a copy of the "Kai-Gor Nama", updated and translated into English by the current Sultan of the Gakhars no less, which should clarify a few things hopefully. Any info on Janjua/Gakhar interaction would be most helpful.

Best Wishes Peter

Tell me about it lol. Time is an elusive madame I guess.

The Kai Gohar Nama is precisely the text I am looking for! I have read excerpts from the Duni Chand Bali saheb's version of the late 60's, but it's gold dust at the British Museum. I just cant get the time to venture up there at the moment with my work projects taking my life over...

I remember watching a program on a Pakistani channel a couple of weeks ago where the current Sultan Zahur Akhter Saheb was introducing his tribal history, relics, pictures many centuries old and also family portraits. It was absolutely amazing to see. He is also in possession of the ancestral swords, armour, coinage, Khirqa's or honour. Truly marvellous stuff!

Could you possibly let me know if his new updated version of the Kai Gohar Nama is available to purchase from anywhere?

Regarding the Gakhar Hindus question, I have honestly never come across info from all the colonial books, nor the tribes own history books that my family have read. I would be very interested in reading about them. I see you asked for the writer to provide citations, I have further elaborated the same. Let's hope we have some light shed on this topic....

Good luck Pete.

Hi Raja

I bet that tv program was interesting... dont happen to have a DVD of it by any chance ;) My understanding is that the current version of "kai-gohar nama" was published by Sarfraz Ali Kiani whose email is ceo@hovaair.ch. I did hear that it was available in urdu but that the first print run was limited to 500 volumes.

Hindu Gakhars if they exist would be jolly interesting! I assumed the person behing the entry was a Hindu Gakhar living in India and more than happy to "put his money were his mouth was" but It may be hes just another deluded individual.

BTW is there anyone we can complain to about vandalisam? I dont mind different views but i expect citations!

BW Pete

Hey Pete,

That program was extremely interesting! There were certain claims which were kind of ioncredible, but I can sort of see how they were derived. I only wish I had a video to record it, it had some really awesome artefacts, swords, ancient portraits of Gakhar Sultans, even of Sultan Muqarrab Khan from his conquest era! I think it was on sky 934 Apna channel. I will contact them for a replay if possible. It was only half hour long, but highly interesting.

There is actually an english version of the Kai Gohar Nama at the British Museum in London, just got to fix a day to go up and check it out. They wont do personal library loans for it, due to it's age.

Completely agree, Gakhar Hindus would be interesting! I know there are Indians who have Gakhar surnames, but it's impossible to see wether they are Hindu, or indeed Zoroastrians, Jain, Sikh, Christian, Bhuddist etc, simply from an indiansed name. Thats the problem I once have in requesting this info, as the user who is created the Gakhar Hindu page, is not bringing fourth any info at all. He's diverting the issue to the Kayanid origin etc. I'm sorry, but the Kayanid issue being negated, will never prove another unrelated point as there simply isn't solid proof confirming or negating this.

I think the difficulty is, people, especially as you stated the "deluded individuals" dont understand this is an encyclopedia, it's just a info description, not a court case for a justification or conviction!

I'm glad you reworded the "Ghakhars and Ghazni" section. Certain indian nationalists hate Ferishta for his open critical views of Indian tribes. Looks like the British divide and rule policy is still alive and well my friend, despite the fact that the empire ended over half a century ago.

I will get back to you regarding the vandalism, the beauty of wiki is that everytime tey do it, it's recorded on the database. Also, I've "advised" certain vandals not to misquote passages. I think what may be needed it another section detailing what Gakhar titles are in use etc. Regarding the Hindu point, if no proof is provided by this weekend, then it's fine to remove the reference as per wiki founders policy of "no proof? no quote!".

Good luck Pete

--Raja 16:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Raja,

The 1965 Muḥammad Bāqir. version in the BL is indeed very useful.

I know wikipedia is not the Encyclopedia Britannica and so the entries are open to revision but at least they should have to provide referances of some kind for assertions. Personally, I have a lot of time for Ferishta; I find his History is largely free of the spin and egomania of most of the other indian histories. He seems pretty fair and objective. Thats not to say he didnt make honest mistakes out of ignorance of course. I dont personally take offence at the description of 'Pagan' practices of the Gakhars for the obvious reason that every Muslim was originally a convert and therefore every Muslium must have 'Pagan' roots apart from the Jewish and Christian converts. Seems obvious to me!

Best Wishes Pete

[edit] Welcome back!

Welcome back again Pete! Did you recieve my email?--Raja (talk) 13:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Raja, thanks been busy. No I dont think so - which email? Just been trying to clean up the mess various 'scholars' made of my entry. Wikipedia had "Clean Up!" notices all over it and I'm not at all suprised as 'they' made it both virtually unreadable and full of unsupported assertions. Oh well, thats the price you pay for an online encylcopedia I guess. I was even 'flamed' on YouTube, probably by the same people' with some of the comments bordering on racist would you belive. Quite mad...

No way? Im so sorry to hear that. Bro, the tribe itself is a very proud one, with many illiterate on the subjects intricate nature too, so it can happen. I have been avidly researching too, in betwene work etc. Will email you something I wanted you to consider? Have you updated wikipedia account with your current email address? Do so, then I will email you something....I think you'll find it veeerrrry interesting bro.....--Raja (talk) 11:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Email me Pete

Email me asap Pete... --Raja (talk) 19:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Done! --Peter (talk) 07:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New email

I havent recieved it Pete, you may have to check your email address on wiki. Click on preferences and check if you have the same email address? --Raja (talk) 12:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Edits to Knight

Hello,

I appreciate your efforts to improve the knight article. I disagree with a handful of your changes but that happens.

However, making thirty three edits in a row is a problem. Next time you wish to make a number of edits to an article please do so in the fewest number of edits. Doing fewer edits makes it easier for other editors to review the changes made.

Additionally virtually none of the edits you made were minor. Minor edits are meant to be, "typo corrections, formatting and presentational changes, rearranging of text without modifying content, et cetera. A minor edit is a version that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute." (emphasis mine). If an edit, "affects the meaning of an article [it] is not minor, even if the edit is a single word, for example, the addition or removal of "not", which can vastly change the meaning of a sentence, paragraph, section or article."

You also did not describe a single edit that you made. Again, this is a part of wiki policy because it assists the editorial review process.

Thanks again for your contributions. Mercutio.Wilder (talk) 01:32, 12 March 2008 (UTC)