Talk:Pett dynasty
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69.69.185.46 (talk) 10:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)Patealpate1 (talk) 08:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 
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When I can figure out which Pett is correct, I will add the following text from the Robert Holborn article:
"Peter Pett, the son of John, who was summoned from his place of residence, then at Harwich, to work on the king’s ships at Portsmouth in 1543. Pett was granted a wage and fee for life (vadium et feodum)."
Jekoko 23:23, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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completed major edit but still need to drop in the above text Jekoko 03:23, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Material for this note came out of study of Pate boatbuilding in the context of the Pett Shipbuilding Dynasty heritage in America, that was active in Yorktown, Virginia, and Bertie County, North Carolina, involving Pates. The Pate Boatyard at Hobucken, North Carolina, was founded by Herman L. Pate, son of William Samuel Pate.
The father of W. Samuel Pate was William T.(Thomas?) Pate. Did he name all his sons William? Besides W. Samuel Pate, he had sons W.J. Pate and William M. Pate. William T. Pate’s wife was Sara L. (Leatha Goodwin?) Pate. W. Samuel Pate married Mamie L. Barnett 11 August 1903, when he was 21 years old.
The given names Willieroy and Leroy and Roy in the American Pate family is an interesting reminder of Pate descent from kings. According to Arthur Zuckerman, noted authority on such matters, the Jewish prince Makhir (descended from Jewish royalty of Baghdad) took the Greek Christian name Theodoric (Thierry in French) and was the king of the Jewish kingdom of Septimania in southern France, the capitol of which was Narbonne. Theodoric was known in French popular poetry and romances as Aymery.
Amery (Amerson) is a Patetown surname, from which descend my cousins from Richard Pate, eldest brother of my grandfather Daniel Floyd Pate. Aymery was the father of Guillaume (William) of Gellone (first of the historically great Williams in European history). The device of the shield of William of Gellone was the Lion of Judah, which is in the arms of Peter Pett of Skipton (Skipwith town), father of the Phineas Pett, builder of the great English frigate Sovereign Of The Seas, who used the arms of his father.
The arms of Peter Pett are on page 218 of The Diary of Phineas Pett. The arms of Peter Pett are those claimed by descendants of Thoroughgood Pate of the North Carolina Sandhills, whose genealogy by Julia Claire Pate is in Wilson Library, UNC, Chapel Hill. This is the Pate line from which descends Gen. Randolph “Chesty” McCall Pate, Marine Corps commandant who brought this branch back to its naval roots. 69.69.187.103 (talk) 10:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Below is the epitaph of Peter Pett, engraved on his tombstone. With the epitaph is the arms of Pett, on which is a scuttled frigate denoting the Pett/Pate shipbuilders shame of the battle of Medway, which impelled Petts, Pates, Pitts, Penns and Pettuses into America.
Epitaphium. "Quantum antiqua viris tribuerunt tempora magnis, Utile qui patriæ attulerint vel nobile quicquam, Tantum hanc ætatem tibi, Pette, rependere oportet Ergo inter veteres tu collaudabere semper; Namque tibi hoc proprium est retrò ut tua sama recurrat Laudibus atque novis priscorum jungat honores." Arms—O. on a fesse G. between three pellets a lion pass. of the field. Underneath is the hulk of a frigate.
From: 'Deptford, St Nicholas', The Environs of London: volume 4: Counties of Herts, Essex & Kent (1796), pp. 359-385. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=45482. Date accessed: 12 May 2008.
The Latin Pette spelling of Pett is an obvious explanation of the etymology of the surname of the shipbuilding Petty branch of the greatest boatbuilding family in the world, that has John Pate connections to the Boatwright family in America. A John Pate changed his name to Rose, explaining the origin of shipbuilding Roses in association with Pate shipbuilders in North Carolina.
W. Samuel Pate died before Herman L. Pate was 10 years old. By his teens Herman L. Pate was a journeyman carpenter. For some period of time early in his life Herman L. Pate worked at Barbour Boat Works, a legendary name in pleasure and commercial boat building, in New Bern, North Carolina. Mr. Bert Robinson, whose family was for years neighbor to Mamie L. (nee’ Barnett) Pate, widow of W. Samuel Pate, attributes the boatbuilding success of Herman L. Pate to the Barbour Boat Works experience.
I have no information on the circumstances that led to Herman Pate’s opportunity at Barbours, but he must have been a promising young boat builder. Herman L. Pate built his first boat in 1927, but I have no description of this boat. Most of the boats built by Herman Pate were fishing trawlers and boats used by the Buoy Service that was next door to his yard and boat railway on the Intracoastal Waterway. The Buoy Service preceded Coast Guard Station Hobucken. Its job was to maintain the Pamlico County area waterways channel lights and markers. The original Pate Boatyard no longer exists.
My talk with Capt. Bobby A. Lewis (USMM Ret.) and fishing boat captain Jack Sadler, of Lowlands and Hobucken, respectively, revealed that Herman Pate built gunboats for the American military during WWII at Barbour Boat Works. During the 1950's he was the shop foreman at Hatteras Trawler Co. in Morehead City, North Carolina, before that company was bought and the name changed. Herman Pate continued his boatbuilding at Hobucken, throughout this, but the only Herman Pate boat I have found is the beautiful trawler Carolina Lady, which still operates out of Hobucken.
Subsequent discussion with cited sources, and others at Mayo Fish Co. in Hobucken, conclude that the Carolina Lady was not, in fact, a Herman Pate trawler, but a contemporary, built by James Gillikin on Radio Island. This discussion concluded that the last Herman Pate trawler to operate out of Hobucken was the Sandra. The Sandra struck a reef near Key West, Florida, where it was repaired. Latest word is that the Sandra was sold there, and is “gone to Texas”, where many Pates have gone before her. Patealpate1 (talk) 20:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Before he died Herman L. Pate built a second and smaller boatyard in downtown Hobucken, with channels dredged to the sound. Herman L. Pate had sons Billy, Kenneth and Aubrey, who are now all dead. The present Pate Boatyard in Hobucken is not connected to the Herman L. Pate family. Pictures of the original Pate’s boatyard are in the history of Hobucken, The Goose Creek Islander 1874-1974.
Pates lived on the Neuse River at Spring Garden (near New Bern, Craven County) and at the mouth of Stoney Creek in Wayne County in the 1800’s. Most conspicuous of these Wayne County Neuse River Pates are a Calvin and a Samuel. Could Pates Calvin and Samuel have connections to predestinarian Jacobean Petts?
A Pett ship owner was in America as early as 1609, with the ship Unity, which was under command of a Captain Martin. This is noted in History Of The Virginia Company, p. 30, edited by Edward D. Neil, published by Joel Munsell, Albany, N.Y., 1869:
The given name of the Pett ship master is not given, and it is unlikey that his ship Unity was the royal naval frigate involved in the Dutch attack on the Medway River, which resulted in the imprisonment of Peter Pett in the Tower Of London in 1667. I wonder if the early Virginia Company ship Unity master could have been Arthur Pett, who was commissioned by Gerard Mercator to surreptitiously explore the northern Asian seas for the Muscovy Company in a "fast ship" in the 1580’s. Arthur Pett’s role as a maritime spy assured his anonymity in English history. Arthur Pett’s surname was spelled Pet, Pett and Pitt by Mercator:
http://www.loc.gov/rr/rarebook/catalog/drake/drake-4-famousvoy.html
Petts, Peytos, Pates and such bearers of the P-300 surname synonymy don’t make much of it, but there is a not much talked about Pate Charlemagne connection:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/2298/royalty.html
Is this John Pate the John Pate whose male descendants changed their surname to Rose? This may be the connection that explains the now extinct Roses who were in association with Pate boatbuilders at Hobucken, North Carolina, as indicated by Pamlico County records.
Pates of Sisonby and Chatham seem to have been what Nicholas de Vere now refers to as "Tinker Aristocracy", who he claims married into the Merovingian Drakula line, of Blackwood House of Lanark, Scotland. Among the lessees of Sir John Hawkins Hospital at Chatham was:
“Edward Sison of same, gentleman, Master Shipwright of HM [Dock] Yard and Navy as above“:
http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?NewPath=Accessions&SearchWords=%BD
Sisonby is the contraction of Sison (Sissoon, Sassoon, a family powerful in the East India Company) Bury, graveyard of the Sisons and Pates in Leicestershire. This is a tie to Sir Edward Pate, Master of the Mint, and the Pate family of Sisonby. Patealpate1 (talk) 15:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Another Pett/Pate synonym, Pytts, is introduced in a good discussion of the relationship of Petts and their Johnson, Green and related kin to the East India Company, and the development of the Blackwall Yard at Deptford, in the article “The East India Company and the Construction of Blackwall Yard”:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=46533#s3
The names Johnson and Green are prominent in North Carolina, but not much associated with Pates there. Members of the Rolt family, descendants of Pett shipbuilders, continued shipbuilding into the modern age of the great iron steamships, built by the Thames Ironworks:
http://www.portcities.org.uk/london/server/show/ConNarrative.59/chapterId/1029/Thames-Ironworks.html
Peter Pett bore the blame placed by the English Parliament for the naval defeat at Medway River. After Peter Pett’s imprisonment in the tower of London, Petts fell out of favor, and Peter Pett disappeared:
http://www.petts.info/famous.html
Peter Pett’s imprisonment marked the beginning of the Johnson dynasty at Blackwall Yard in Deptford, and the beginning of Pate history in America. The Stepney Folk was a group of people living near Deptford from whom came many great English seafaring families. Index of Pates of Stepney is at:
Stepney/namespq.htm" TARGET="_new">http://website.lineone.net/~fight/Stepney/namespq.htm
Note spelling here of Christopher Pate, of the Pett dynasty of shipbuilders. A North Carolina Christopher Pate, descended from Battens, is my own physician.
I have a copy of the Halifax County, North Carolina, Court House record of the will of a Samuel Peete who died 8 February 1794. No details of his death are given. This will deals only with the disposition of “lately purchased” slaves, left to his father Thomas Peete of Southhampton County, Virginia.
The handwriting of the will was verified by Samuel’s brother Benjamin, John B. Ashe, Josiah Crump and Blake Baker. Crumps (Crumplers) are much associated with Pates of Patetown, and were inheritors of the Coree treasure, a pot of old money that came down through the Silas Daniel Pate line, from Coree Indian Brice's Ranger, Jesse Ammons, grandfather of Scythian Jernigan, wife of Silas Daniel Pate. My impression, from family stories, is that the Coree treasure was used to build the Patetown Free Chapel.Patealpate1 (talk) 09:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Those who have followed my apparent irrelevances to Pate Genealogy know that the English shipbuilding dynasty of Petts was for generations associated with the shipbuilding Baker family, sometimes in hostile relationships. Another irrelevancy is that the household of John Penn (Welsh for Pate), of Halifax County, was apparently dozens of slaves, as indicated by census records. Slavery was all that made the large new colonial plantations on the Roanoke River work. Much labor was necessary for ambitious but arduous projects in the area, like logging, land clearing, stump pulling, stone quarrying, building construction, canal building, channel dredging, river clearing and boatbuilding.
Boatyard building required all these labors and associated skills, from mule skinning and oxen teaming to finished stone masonry. Boatbuilding was integral to economic success on the Roanoke River (which the Siouan Indians knew as Moratuc (Killer River)), in post-Revolutionary War America. Peetes were neighbors of Powells on the Roanoke River in Warren County, North Carolina. Dr. T.E. Powell, Jr., for whom I set up Granite Diagnostics division of Carolina Biological Supply Co., knew of the Pate/Peete synonymy.
[edit] Family tree
All this article needs now is an aesthetic and clickable/linkable family tree; otherwise, I think it's okay to take off the cleanup tag. I'll put it as a requested image. Tamarkot 20:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Trees and Genealogy Problems
Tree of The Four Peter Petts
- Trees and Genealogy Problems
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- Does Wiki have a clickable tree model?
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- Perhaps I do not understand the genealogy structure, but there appear to be some serious problems about the Pett genealogy among the several articles.(Articles Phineas Pett, Peter Pett and this article). For example, in the section "The four Peter Petts", Peter (3nd) of Depford has the same birth and death dates as his uncle, Joseph, although they are in different generations. Only 3 out of the 8 people named in The four Peter Pett section are included in the "Details in Pett Families."
- Also, under Peter, Shipwright, 2nd Commissioner at Chatham (1647-1668), born 1610, the birth dates of his children range between 1612 and 1620. Their father can't have been born in 1610!
- Yes I think a tree would be quite a help, but if I understand what is now presented in "Details in Pett Families," it is not an outline of a single tree, it is divided by the horizontal lines into four families and only the second and fourth families can be linked. So, at least three trees would be needed, four if a tree of The four Peter Pett is included.
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- Since I haven't found a good tree model in WIKI, an alternative would be to clarify the section "Details in Pett Families," by adding headings for each of the 4 families. I have downloaded an example of a family tree that I could add if requested, and if consistent with Wiki policy. It is not clickable however. Any comments or suggestions?Tvbanfield (talk) 03:36, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
The Pett (Soundex P-300) synonymy is massive. I think it is no happenstance that the home country of the famous race car driver Richard Petty is in the Peedee River valley, where a colonial Pett descendant, Charles Pate, was the Primitive Baptist bishop. Bishop Charles Pate is discussed in papers in Furman University Archives.
This is one of the most pertinent of my notes that tie together the East India Company and the development of The United States of America. Lately I have notes relating to Pate and Pett boat building. One of the most interesting comments on this matter is the entry in Samuel Pepys Diary of 27 January 1664, discussed on The Web at:
http://www.pepysdiary.com/archive/1664/01/27/
From this entry we learn of a serious shipbuilding conflict between Sir William Petty and Sir Phineas Pett. Pett ships were first and foremost warships, with great shipping capacity. The Petty ships were conceived and built with speed as the first consideration, which Phineas Pett ostensibly disparaged as a waste and danger to English dominance on the seas. Again the Petts made a bad judgment--or did they? Hempson apparently knew that Phineas might "palm an ace", as they say, in matters relating to shipbuilding.
We easily see the etymology of the name Petty in the detailed study of the Pettus family of the original stockholders of the Virginia Company of Kent, Essex and New Kent County, Virginia, which included also Petts and Peetes. The derivation of the Petty name is from the ancient Roman Paetus, root of the Venetian and Paduan Casa Paetus (Ca’Pet) of the French Capet dynasty. We see that the plural of Pettus is Petti, which anglicized is Petty: Patealpate1 (talk) 20:34, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
http://www.southern-style.com/Pettus.htm
The fast ship of Sir William Petty was the forerunner of the American Clipper Ships. The Penn Shipyards of Chester, Pennsylvania, were the foundation of the English Penn and Pitt family fortunes, based on clipper ships. I’m satisfied that the Shipyard at Cashoke, on Cashie River, in North Carolina, built boats for speed, as did Samuel Pate at Hobucken--gunboats, not battleships. It was fast gunboats that sank Blackbeard's Queen Anne's Revenge.
Peace promotes prosperity. Peace came to the Carolinas, when the Pates swapped their coastal lands near the then Edenton government of North Carolina to the Tuscaroras, for the present Patetown. I allude, of course, to the Pett, Pitt, Penn (Welsh for Pate) synonymy--and the Pennsylvania Tuscarora Indian sojourn in North Carolina. This is the unmentioned elephant in the parlor of North Carolina History.
The only remaining reminder of Pate boatbuilding in North Carolina is the unnamed U.S. Coast Guard Station at Hobucken, where Samuel Pate, founder of Pate's Boatyard, is buried.
For those who enjoy connecting the dots, here are some dots. Prince William Nassau was the husband of Queen Mary II. The Nassau Indians were one of the Neuse river valley Siouan tribes deleted by the English government from John Lawson’s book New Voyage To Carolina, as indicated on the Cacique Map in the London Records Office. Joan Lawson, wife of John Lawson, was the housekeeper of Thomas Pate the Yorktown ferryman. Thomas Pett was a son of Joseph Pett of the Pett Dynasty of shipbuilders. A Dr. Samuel Peete was a contemporary of Thoroughgood Pate in Bertie County, site of Shipyard Landing on Cashie River where Thoroughgood Pate lived. Christopher Pate, my doctor, is related to Battens, members of which family were aristocratic customers of shipbuilder Christopher Pett of the Pett Dynasty. What is really interesting is that Windsor is the county seat of Bertie County in North Carolina, and the current English royal family was actually named Mount Batten, before changing their name to Windsor. It is probably not a coincidence that Batts (anglicized Dutch Batten) Court is on the old Pitt County portage used by Pates migrating from Bertie County to the present Wayne County, North Carolina, where Batts Farm is on Patetown Road.
If you have a computer that has powerful graphic capabilities, you can download the new Google Earth, and see the precisely cut channel of The Slough, which was the end of the Patetown waterway from Batts Court, on the portage from Tar river. Google has recently upgraded the Patetown area to sharp photographic quality. The Slough was a location in England associated with the Petts, but I don’t know where it is.
On a hunch, I punched in The Slough, London, UK, on my computer. Sure enough, the Slough is a branch of the Thames River, just across The Horseshoe from Windsor Castle. Cabalism is alive, and well--and working.
Note that the nearest place to Slough, in London, is Langley. Langley (Long Land) is a family anciently, deeply and complexly connected with the Pates in the British Isles, particularly in Petworth, Sussex, and back in time to english Peytos and french Petos. For some genealogical connections, see:
http://cvip.fresno.com/~bm063/langley/cartular.htm
And: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2004-10/1097568200
For extensive and explicit Peyto and Langley ties to Plantagenets (who became Tudor patrons of The Pett Dynasty), see (Chapter: 070: Peyto):
The above site gives extensive information on the Thoroughgood family (Chapter 065: Offley), without any connection to the Soundex P-300 synonymy. Langley AFB is near to Yorktown, Virginia, where Thomas Pate built and operated a ferry on a large salt-water estuary. I need not note that a place called Langley is also the home of the CIA. Also, re Langley Space Center and modern Petts, see:
http://ottawa.rasc.ca/astronotes/2003/10_oct.html
Langley is a community in greater Greenville, NC, on the north side of Tar River, just across the river from the community of Speights. There is a Stoney Creek that runs through Rocky Mount, NC, that is a branch of the Tar River. This gives us a (cabalistic?) trail of three different Stoney Creeks from New Kent County, Virginia, to Wayne County, North Carolina. I used to swim in Stoney Creek in Wayne County, NC. There are no stones in that Stoney Creek.
Obviously, the deeper in time we go (always backward) the thinner the Pate synonymy becomes, until we find ourselves among the Roman Paeti (pronounced Pate-y) of the Pisos, and the Paetus and Paats of Syria and Egypt--and ancient Phoenicia (homeland of the Patavian Padua (Soundex P-300) family) Venetians (and the Casa Paetus (French speaking Venetian Capets; see original ancient French of Marco Polo (Capolo) (key to origin of the Cabots)) and Joseph of Arimathea)--who ultimately became Lancastrian English royalty. Very complex. Historically the Lancastrian Tudors were the patrons of the shipbuilding Pett Dynasty. The most prominent folks now in Patetown in North Carolina are the Lancasters, all of whom are related to Pates.
De Witt was a given name of Patetown Pates (also known as Van Pelts (Lanen van Pelts) and Lanes, who were buried with Pates in the Old Pelt Graveyard at Patetown in North Carolina), a direct cabalistic tie to the Dutch House of Nassau of Protestant King William III of England, whose royal quarterings on coins was a scarcely veiled cross patee’. Part of the Old Pelt Graveyard was bulldozed out and used for fill on Patetown Road, at the junction of Pate's Branch and the Stoney Creek branch on the portage between the Slough and Neuse River at Calvin Pate's plantation. The cross patee' was an ancient symbol of Roman consuls and Syrian kings of the ancient Patavian (Sephardic Padua) Paetus family.
It is significant that Pettus is a surname used by Pett family investors in the Virginia Company in America. For explicit historical connection between King William III (Nassau-Orange), Ralph Lane and Samuel Pett, see:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=46812
Pates is a community that is now in Pembroke, North Carolina, where descendants of the "Lost Colony" (of which Ralph Lane was a member) settled, after migrating inland from Roanoke Island. The cross patee' was the symbol of this colony. Pates was a socially and racially integrated community long before legislation of integration. The community Pates antedated Pembroke many years in its founding, and it was the home of the Pate founders of the building supply and mercantile businesses that became Pembroke, who gave land on which was built Pates Normal School (photo of which may be enlarged by clicking)76.3.127.165 (talk) 11:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC):
http://www.skarorehkatenuakanation.org/images/normal_school_pic.bmp
Pates is located on a branch of the Lumber river, which is the northern branch of the PeeDee river, in the diocese of Primitive Baptist Bishop Charles Pate, son of Thoroughgood Pate, of Cashie River of Old Bertie County, home of Dr. Samuel Peete (whose relationship to Thoroughgood Pate is unknown). Dr. Samuel Peete was neighbor and associate of ship captains Hayes (see:
http://www.sallysfamilyplace.com/Neighbors/haysjohn.htm), who were in-laws of Col. John Barnwell of Charleston, South Carolina.
Casual study of the areas in which North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia, Pates lived in the 1700's indicates that they were water travelers. Hayes and Monks Orchard are suburbs near Petts Wood in modern London. Pate sons of Thoroughgood Pate and Monks settled Patetown, North Carolina in 1713, title to which William Pate got in 1738, and conveyed to his relatives. The Monks were in-laws of the sons of Thoroughgood Pate, who moved southwestward to Newton Grove, in Sampson County, where descendants established the Our Lady of Guadeloupe Roman Catholic church. A merchant Thomas Pate (presumably of the Thomas Pate Archive) was associated with the Sampson (Sanson) family in the papal colony Livorno (Leghorn), Italy; from the book Merchants and Reform in Livorno 1814-1868 “Endnotes”, Chap. 5, Social Attitudes and Voluntary Associations, referenced on the Web at:
It is a curious fact that Sir Wiliam Petty would not live where his wife did not have access to a jewish synagogue. Leghorn was originally established as a Jewish papal colony. It became a shipbuilding center. Leghorn (now Livorno) is the home of the only naval academy in Italy. The nearest major city to Leghorn is Pisa (feminine form of Piso, ancestral gens of the Paetus family).
Earlier notes have referred to the Pate portage at Batts Court, on their migration from Cashie river in old Bertie County to Patetown. This is, I believe, a tie between the McGregors of Scotland and members of the Pate family who sojourned in Scotland, during a time of political strife in England. The Batts name may have been a political expedient that outlived memory of its origins. Many political refugees in Scotland found it wise to disguise their names.
Batts Court lies just south of U.S. Hiway 264, on the west side of Greenville, NC, on Stantonsburg Road, just east of the junction of Stantonsburg Road and Hiway 264. This area of Stantonsburg Road appears to be the route of the portage between Tar River Harris Mill Branch and Little Contentnea Creek, Pinelog Branch at Batts Court.
The portage at Batts Court was approximately one mile long, between Batts Court on Pinelog Branch of Little Contentnea Creek and McGregors branch of Harris Mill Branch of the Tar River. The Scottish names on the Batts Court portage suggest a possible Scottish connection of Pates of the Sandhills of the Carolinas and old Bertie County. Casual investigation shows that there was much intermarriage between the Pate and Harris families. Note that Christopher Pate of the Pett shipbuilding dynasty, is clearly identified with Phineas Pett at:
http://website.lineone.net/~fight/Stepney/namespq.htm
I have some doubts as to the exact location of the portage. Last week I did a ground recon of the channelized Little Contentnea Creek at Bell Arthur, just west of Greenville (colonial Oconerunt). Discussion with Bell Arthur firemen suggests that The Portage, over which settlers traveled from Old Bertie County to Patetown, was probably in the Bell Arthur area, near the junction of Stantonsburg Road and Bell Arthur Road (NC1206), where the Cobb Dail Road crosses U.S. 264. This is where Hurricane Hugo flood waters from Tar River flowed over land to Little Contentnea Creek. The Portage was probably the reason for the settlement of Bell Arthur.
We are losing many older site names as maps are re-written. The small waterway locations I give in reference to the Pate portage between Tar river and Little Contentnea Creek are not on Google Earth nor Microsoft Virtual World. For the older scottish names to which I refer above, see North Carolina Atlas & Gazeteer, Topo Maps of the Entire State, Delorme Mapping, Freeport, Maine, 1993, page 65.
The present Magnolia Creek was the access from Tar River to smaller branches that led to the portage to Batts Court. The western end of the portage would have been near where Mozingo Road now crosses Hiway 264 to intersect Stauntonburg Road. Mozingos now live in Patetown on land that was part of the original square mile of Patetown, conveyed by William Pate to his brothers and John Monk in 1737, near the south end of the airport runway and Pate’s Branch.
I Patealpate1 (talk) 08:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)conveyed this matter to Barbara Rawls, in the hope it might get university-level study. Magnolia Creek, at the eastern end of the colonial era Pitt County portage, runs through Rawls family property. The Rawls family descends from Whites, suggesting a possible tie between the Lanes (Lanen van Pelts) of the John White “Lost Colony” and the portage. Property at the Bertie County old Shipyard Landing on Cashoke Creek is now owned by members of the White family (relation to the Rawls, if any, unknown).
Pates of Patetown, NC, are descended from John Peat/Pate (spelled both ways in records, son of Thoroughgood Pate) who is said to have been a Tuscarora war chief associated with Chief Blount of Oconerunt (now Greenville, NC). The Scottish clan of the Peat sept (family) is McGregor, a name on the cited DeLorme map of the portage area.
Specifics of relationships of Thoughgood Pate descendants with Newtons, Adams, Stuarts and Sinclairs are in the genealogical writings of Julia Claire Pate of Richmond and Anson counties in North Carolina, a copy of which is in The North Carolina Collection, Wilson Library, UNC, Chapel Hill, North Carolina.
