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[edit] inacurrate statement?
The following tell different things about the Niger Delta population...
"The Niger Delta is comprised of 70,000 km² of wetlands formed primarily by sediment deposition. Home to 20 million people and 40 different ethnic groups, this floodplain makes up 7.5% of Nigeria's total land mass."
"According to Amnesty International 70% of the six million people in the Niger River Delta live off of less than 1$ US per day".
The second statement cites a source... But the source tells nothing about 6 millions inhabitants.
I found at http://www.earthrights.net/nigeria/news/definition.html that the Niger Delta is home to 10 million people but I am not sure at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Powro (talk • contribs) 21:21, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] structure
I was thinking of changing the order around a bit to provide more context at the start. I would like to break out a "Geology" section at the start to explain the technical details. I was thinking of a "Historical and political context" section immediately after, followed with a section on the current state of the oil development. Currently there is a bit of politics in the "reserves and production" section, which I feel can wait a bit. Thoughts? - BanyanTree 00:25, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
ironically (as i am studying for degree in the subject) i elected not to include a geology section, but i can see how it would facilitate explanation of the circumstances. i'm really not sure where to put the history section. the whole structure is actually difficult because it seems you cant get the whole picture until the entire article is read. all the topics overlap quite a bit, with environmental and socio-economic factors causing political conflict, and politics determining what is done about said environmental factors. i feel this way particularly about the environment and the ogoniland and conflicts sections (i havent created the more recent conflicts yet), because it raises the question of which needs to be listed first: the conflict, or the reasons for the conflict? I think it would be very difficult to integrate both topics, because of the highly statistical nature of reporting on environmental and social conditions.
also im very concerned about usage of quotes, because it seems like much of the info can be best stated simply by quoting directly from Human Rights Watch (1999 report mostly) or other sources. what is your opinion on existence quotations? to this point i have made every effort to avoid using them, but sometimes there are only so many ways to make a statement. thanks.--Gozar 04:36, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
- Given that the title of article is "Petroleum in Nigeria" rather than "Modern conflicts relating to petroleum extraction in Nigeria", I think we're obliged to deal with the broad overview of why and where there is petroleum. Also, geography may not be destiny, but it certainly helps in framing root causes. Why the Niger delta and why the Ogoni? I, quite sadly, was thinking about this while I was out and putting the relevant geological info into Niger Delta Field, which I found while browsing related articles, and then a one paragraph summary under a see also may be quickest way of getting it out of the way and separating the environmental factors from the political in a way that doesn't seem forced. I am 75% sure that the Niger Delta Field is the same mentioned here, but would like confirmation.
- I can try to fill out Niger Delta Field, partially just to get me oriented, so may disappear for a bit while I'm on that other article.
- I am generally anti-quote, and try to use them only when quoting people or when something is so unbelievable that people may think that I'm misunderstood if I put it in my own words. Quotations also are hard to play around with when you want to add new information or caveats in the future. If at all possible, I would avoid them. Cheers, BanyanTree 06:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Having done a quick scan, I also think that much oil-related info in this article can be merged into Niger Delta province. The remainder could be renamed to something around Ogoni, environment, Nigeria, with a summary section on Petroleum in Nigeria pointing to Niger Delta province as a main article. Wizzy…☎ 19:09, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
alright, you guys seem to have well-developed ideas on the structural components. right now im focusing on trying to get the information in. i will continue to input into the petroleum in Nigeria article until we define where all the material is ultimately going. --Gozar 19:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
http://www.omoigui.com/files/palace_coup_august_1985.pdf
[edit] Proposed Article
Do the recurrent instances of "fuel spills that result in disastrous explosions and fires" warrant a section or an article? A Business Day article dated April 25, 2007 reports on the most recent example Link THE recent petrol fire in the Gadoko area of Kaduna state, which claimed more than 90 lives, is once again a sad reminder of the recurring fuel tragedies in several parts of Nigeria. In most human societies, disasters are inevitable — but their frequency in Nigeria is inexcusable. The Kaduna disaster was clearly avoidable. A tanker carrying fuel had an accident and fell across the road. Like a swarm of bees, the local people rushed out and started scooping fuel with their jerry cans and buckets. But the tanker went up in flames and all of them burnt to death. This terrible event is the third one of its type that I am aware of; these disasters seem to be important to "Petroleum in Nigeria". --McTrixie/Mr Accountable 23:41, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
- yes, this could certainly constitute its own section; unfortunately I've havent made significant edits to the article in some time. though you're more than welcome to "be bold", as they say and create the section/article.--gozar 17:45, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Copyediting
In the article, in the section Petroleum in Nigeria#Oil spills, a sentence reads: "Sabotage is performed primarily through what is known as "bunkering",whereby the saboteur attempts to tap the pipeline, and in the process of extraction sometimes the pipeline is damaged or destroyed. Oil extracted in this manner can often be sold for cash compensation." Isn't the truth more like "Oil extracted in this manner is always sold for cash compensation."?, insofar as people in villages or city neighborhoods who break the pipeline for oil aren't actually performing sabotage, they are just trying to make a buck? --McTrixie/Mr Accountable 15:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- I would agree that pipeline tapped oil is pretty much always sold for profit, though I suppose personal use is another possibility.--gozar 17:45, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Is there information on amateur refining facilities and/or techniques? --McTrixie/Mr Accountable 19:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- I don't recall seeing information about amateur refining anywhere, which probably indicates the correctness of your initial statement regarding illegally tapped oil being sold for profit. I suppose a search of the internet could yield something but I can't point out any specific sources.--gozar 19:36, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
