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[edit] What is his real name?

See this Website about Peter Wyngarde for an anecdote about the actor's real name, namely, this bit:

I've read on several websites that Peter's real name is Cyril Louis Golbert. Is that true? No, it isn't true! It is a little-known fact that Peter is the nephew of the renowned French actor, Louis Juvet. During an interview with a British newspaper in the early Seventies whilst at the height of his popularity, Peter was asked what his real name was; jokingly, he quoted his uncle's name. For some inexplicable reason, the name not only stuck but was added to over the years. Peter's real and full name is Peter Paul Wyngarde.

So who should we believe? (See also, Brigitte Bardot's real name, frequently listed in reference works as Camille Javal, which is in fact her character's name in the film Les Mepris) MinorEdit July 1, 2005 06:04 (UTC)


OK, I'm putting the above in the actual article. MinorEdit July 3, 2005 00:34 (UTC)


[edit] "When Sex Rears It's Inquisitive Head" The LP. Lack of humour?

" That the LP seems to have been recorded without a hint of humour or irony makes it that bit stranger." Having purchased a re-release of the album on CD, i can quite safely say that to claim the album was recorded without the slightest hint of humour or irony seems quite safely, and utterly, incorrect. The whole album can be construed as a joke, (as numerous record labels had vied to get him to release an album of some kind, as i understand, without the faintest question of whether he was any good at singing. He only agreed to write the album, in the end, having been promised COMPLETE creative license.) Furthermore, i recall reading a quote of Peter's, where he basically describes the album as him, pretending to be His character, (the austin powers esque Jason King) being the real Peter Wynguard. It is an odd little collection of music, but in my opinion, not just funny, but irrepressably tongue in cheek. Given a little time and a little attention, i could probably find quite a few sources to expand this section, as i'm sure i've read a lot about it somewhere. Mister cope 10:30, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I have just done a search on the Digital Archive of The Times for Peter Wyngard and while I have found an article about him being conned out of £3000 by his former secretary, Jeremy Dallas-Cope, and a male model and Anthony O'Donoghue,I can find no mention of Peter Wyngard being arrested for an act of Gross indecency. I'm not saying it didn't happen; I'm not old enough to remember. But is there a reliable source for this information other than the IMDB, or Wikipedia or any other site that might have copied the information from one or other of those sources. Jooler 20:19, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

There are plenty of pages that seem to talk about this, but many seem vaguely wiki-esque. This fellow is recalling the events from the actual time, which given the prevalence on other sites of stuff that probably came from wikipedia, makes it a little more reliable, perhaps? http://trevormiller.blogspot.com/2005/02/long-live-jason-king.html Mister cope 22:56, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid it definitely did happen, I have the EVENING STANDARD from December 1975 that told the whole story.Dolmance 16:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

He claimed to have slipped on some wet lavatory paper, and fallen into a compromising position. Which is a novel defence, it has to be said.Widmerpool 07:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

If you do a Google Books search on "Cyril Louis Goldbert" there's a reference in Crime Through Time: The Black Museum by Stephen Richards, page 294. Google lets you see the page. The book looks a bit sensational, but gives dates that could be checked.
Incidentally, I think the bit about "Cyril Louis Goldbert" being a myth needs reassessing. It went into the article in 2005 on the basis of the now-defunct Freeserve website - see the Internet Archive - which might be viewed as unreliable (e.g. it completely omits the Gloucester episode) and I just found two NewsBank references to it. 03:21, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
What name does the Evening Standard give? Peter Wyngarde or Cyril Louis Goldbert? Format 08:24, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't have the 1975 one, but I get four references (counting variants) from NewsBank:
  • Evening Times: Mr Showbiz Byline Chris Young, Evening Times (Glasgow, Scotland), April 6, 2002: "PETER Wyngarde (aka Cyril Louis Goldbert)"
  • The regeneration game - TV repeats, Times, The (London, England), November 30, 1991: "Wouldn't it be fun to watch the garish Jason King series now we know that the real name of the man behind that Viva Zapata moustache, that over-blowdried hair and those Seventies flares and frilly shirts was not Peter Wyngarde but Cyril Louis Goldbert?"
  • The Independent: TELEVISION: TV HEROES. Independent, The (London, England), January 23, 2003: "Cyril Lovis Goldbert, to give the Marseilles-born Wyngarde his real name"
  • TV Review: Walking On The Wilde Side, Evening Standard, The (London, England) July 17, 2001: "the revelation in court of his real name: Cyril Lovis Goldbert".
By the "verifiability, not truth" criterion, it definitely should go in - alongside the official disclaimer - as having been reported. Tearlach 16:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sexuality?

I'm a little dubious about the claims that he is gay. Both citations in that paragraph are written by the same person - Donald Spoto. And a Google search turns up some circumstantial evidence, but nothing all that concrete or reliable. Does anyone have a better source? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:26, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Is The Independent good enough for the cruising story? http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20030123/ai_n9677507 Soane 23:24, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Not particularly. There are several mentions on the web about his being prosecuted for cottaging, but nothing says he is gay. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Weasel Cottaging words

I'm not happy with the current sentence: This conviction, which today would have counted for little, ruined his career. I have no doubt it ruined his career, but its the which today would have counted for little which concerns me. Firstly, how do we know what he was caught doing; Secondly do we know where he was doing it; and thirdly, have we then had a legal view as to what he would have been convicted, if anything, today? I doubt it, so I'd like to remove those weasel words. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 18:37, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

You know you a right to remove it. It happened George Michael, but so what? We do not know that this actually "ruined" Wyngarde's career. Lots of famous actors fall out of favour naturally and shift to small stage careers - maybe this would have happened to Wyngarde too. Format (talk) 19:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I know - but the members of the wiki LGBT project team are quite a studious and nice bunch, and have particularly views on certain issues. As he's a prominent gay actor (one of the early one's to come out openly in the UK), I thought I would tag it rather than take their wrath! If this note stays here long enough without any further debate, I'll remove the offending words. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 01:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)