Talk:Peter Ustinov (Jaffa)

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[edit] Ever existed?

There seems to be no proof that this person ever existed. There is no information on Google (except for results from this dumb Wikipedia stub). If this is not a fact it must go ASAP. IZAK 03:22, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ustinov Jaffa

Among them government sites like http://www.tel-aviv.gov.il/English/Tourism/Sites/AmericanGerman.htm and the best hotels, such as the “Do Park Hotel”, owned by Baron Ustinov (Grandfather of Peter Ustinov, the actor), which was renowned for its large, beautiful garden, where monkeys and parrots roamed free and the archeological museum in it., etc. I can not believe they all lye, although it is probably easier to verify facts from Israel than from Australia. abakharev 03:35, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

    • Thanks for your response. Not all of the "410 references" are about the Jaffa Ustinov, but a few of them seem to be authentic enough. Thanks for the clarification. IZAK 03:41, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
      • I remeber I had problems trying to figure out the first name of the hotel owner, but in one of the references it was said he was Peter, maybe worth to check. abakharev 03:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
        • This definitely needs to be checked. While the Ustunovs were a prominent family of Russian nobility, they were neither barons nor did they live in Jaffa. Apparently, Ustinov the grandad settled in Israel after the Revolution, but this is still not very likely. BTW, Sir Peter's maternal great uncle was Alexander Benois. --Ghirlandajo 12:50, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Israeli people

Why was this person Israeli? Do we know he lived until 1948? gidonb 02:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

According to the website of the Evangelical Beit Immanel group[[1]], which currently runs the old hotel as their "Heritage Centre", his name was Baron Plato von Ustinov and he settled in Jaffa in 1878. Their page about the history of the centre states that "In 1888 Ustinov married Magdalena, the daughter of Hall. Magdalena was born in Ethiopia and together they had four children, their eldest son Joah being the father of actor Peter Ustinov." The page also states that the Ustinovs left Jaffa (and probably Palestine) already in 1913. So, irrespective of what is true or not, this article should not definitely not be part of the "Category:Israeli people stubs" or "Category:Israeli people". Not only had the Ustinovs left more than 30 years before the creation of Israel, but being born-again Christians trying to convert Jews to their form of Christianity, they would have been alien to everything Israel stands for. I'll remove those two category links. Thomas Blomberg 14:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC)