Talk:Peter Petrelli/Archive 3
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[edit] Talk page
I apologize. I have no idea why, but for some reason I thought that this user had blanked sections of the talk page rather than adding to them. That's what I get for editing at 4 in the morning...
On an unrelated note, please remember that Wikipedia is not a forum for discussion, guys. Please don't discuss your Heroes (tv show) speculation here. CaveatLectorTalk 14:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
- I think we've all been there, editing late. I think that's partly what assume good faith is for. I welcomed User:FMN92, and mentioned the point about keeping the talk discussion on task. It's probably about time the page got archived onto a sub-page, but the relative dates under each header are all over the place. Any thoughts about where the cutoff might be? --GargoyleMT 20:16, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'd say let's not fry our brains on it or try to find a cutoff, but simply archive the entire page (split into two archives if necessary) and star the next batch of talk afresh. Those who want to continue ongoing discussions can do so on the new page. CaveatLectorTalk 05:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
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- Sounds good to me. Done. --GargoyleMT 13:05, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Two powers at a time
I have a question about this: Is this really that important from a Wiki point of view or is this just something fans try to specify (like the writting on the monitors of the USS Enterprize)?
If it's not important tell me and I'll drop it. If it is important I'd like to restart discussion by stating that in Five Years Past when he moves the glass of whiskey to him it's quite obvious he's not using his hands. He reappears well before the glass stops moving and his arms are clearly by his side. This indicates that, at least after five years of practice, he can use more than one aquired power at a time.
I don't know that this changes anything about his current level of skill but it does allow for the possibility in the future. Padillah 12:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- He's used two powers at once before, when he is invisible with Claude (though the invisibility is automatic). Also, I'm pretty sure that he uses invisibility and telekinesis against Isaac before Simone is killed. When the paint cans lift into the air, they don't turn invisible, implying that Peter isn't in contact with them. Ophois 17:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Both those situations are ambiguous at best (OR at worst). There has been extensive disussion about just what powers Peter is using when he and Claude get ambushed on the roof. And to assume that just because the cans aren't invisible therefore he's not touching them is too much. The scene I mention is quite clear: his hands are by his sides, not anywhere near the glass that is moving. In any case I'll need to find a way to work this mentino into the article. Padillah 19:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- It's been shown throughout the series that we only see Claude when it is through Peter's point of view, meaning Peter used by telekinesis and invisibility during his training.Ophois 21:15, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Both those situations are ambiguous at best (OR at worst). There has been extensive disussion about just what powers Peter is using when he and Claude get ambushed on the roof. And to assume that just because the cans aren't invisible therefore he's not touching them is too much. The scene I mention is quite clear: his hands are by his sides, not anywhere near the glass that is moving. In any case I'll need to find a way to work this mentino into the article. Padillah 19:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
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- "OK, the next question is easily the most asked question concerning 'How To Stop An Exploding Man.' About 40 or 50 different people asked this, but Shaun was the first to ask. We think we know the answer to this, but we'll go straight to the experts on this to make sure. Shaun asks, 'Was the fact that Nathan was needed to fly Peter away just done for dramatic effect since Peter has flight, too, or does this prove Peter only has access to one power at a time?'
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- It’s the latter. (emphasis added) Peter even says, “I can’t stop it. I can’t do anything.” Peter was helpless. There were two options. Kill Peter. Or Nathan could fly him away and try to save them all. Now, if Peter or Nathan survived and how – remains to be seen."
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- "Then again." (emphasis added) It's possible that, at that time, the bulk of Peter's powers of absorption and mimicry are slowly succumbing to Ted's power and thus, preventing him access to all his other abilities. After all, he was prophesied by Isaac himself to be the one to explode New York and one can only bend the flow of their destiny - turn away from it is another story
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- I suppose that you could argue that that scene in Five Years Gone means that he eventually learns how to, but the wording of their answer and the fact that Peter never uses more than one power at a time elsewhere in the episode (particularly glaring in the scene where he rescues Hiro: he deactivates invisibility before using telekinesis), think that they just made a mistake there. 24.252.87.219 00:36, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- It is possible that while Peter could certainly manifest more than one ability at a time, he lacks the ability to control more than one power simultaneously. When he was undergoing training from Claud, he thought of too many people(the ones he derived his power from) and almost lost control. Even in Five Years Gone he uses only one power at a time, thought he strings them up in quick succession. It is possible that he is able to overcome this limitation in season 2. Blacktoxic 15:32, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- He doesn't have to, go to heroeswiki, under either Peter's page or his power, you can see an animation that he moves the glass and AFTER moving it her becomes visible, suggesting he has the genetic potential to use more than one ability at the same type, but seems to lack the control over his ability to do so. 201.17.94.153 18:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- It is possible that while Peter could certainly manifest more than one ability at a time, he lacks the ability to control more than one power simultaneously. When he was undergoing training from Claud, he thought of too many people(the ones he derived his power from) and almost lost control. Even in Five Years Gone he uses only one power at a time, thought he strings them up in quick succession. It is possible that he is able to overcome this limitation in season 2. Blacktoxic 15:32, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- I suppose that you could argue that that scene in Five Years Gone means that he eventually learns how to, but the wording of their answer and the fact that Peter never uses more than one power at a time elsewhere in the episode (particularly glaring in the scene where he rescues Hiro: he deactivates invisibility before using telekinesis), think that they just made a mistake there. 24.252.87.219 00:36, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
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Does Claire's regeneration ability count as an demonstrated "power"? Or is it reflex? Because Peter demonstrated both regeneration and telekinesis in last night's episode, "Kindred."Thebookpolice 13:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
It is also quite possible that some of the abilities, like the aforementioned regeneration, and invisibility are passive abilities, and though they are not necessarily reflexes they are easy to maintain when using one active and one passive power simulataneously. The only character to use two active powers simulatenously was Sylar when he created the snowglobe and even the cyrokinesis was only being used passively. Neverhteless, it shouldn't matter whether or not he can use two powers until we see it serve some kind of higher purpose, i.e. a fight with a multi-powered enemy like Sylar again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.44.156.72 (talk) 00:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I think that Kindred has shown he's capable of using two powers at once hasn't it? While holding the Irish guy on the wall with TK, he healed, thus using two powers at once. 201.37.24.43 00:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Scar?
I realise that this is not a forum for discussing Heroes, but there's one thing that doesn't quite add up. In the future, Peter Petrelli has a scar, but how does a man with the ability to heal himself have a scar? Should there be a list of plot holes on the main Heroes page? 86.42.131.39 22:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
- It's not necessarily a plot hole. Claire has been shown to have control over her healing powers, so Peter may have merely chosen to keep the scar.Ophois 00:29, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- The writers and director have said we will find out how in a future episode. Padillah 15:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
- When has Claire ever shown control over her power? She has had to move body parts so that she'll heal properly, but nothing that indicates conscious control of it. As for the orginal question, he could have got it in the presence of the Haitian, which would nullify his power.67.167.126.102 10:59, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
In this future, Hiro has not yet gone back in time! "Save the cheerleader save the world." Is what Future Hiro told Peter after going into the past! Since he has not yet gone to the past Peter has not met Claire and cannot regenerate. Thus, any wounds could have scarred. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.225.166 (talk) 18:42, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
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- Yes, but the Peter from "Five Years Gone" does have a scar. Ophois 19:03, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
- But in the events of "Five Years Gone", Future Hiro didn't know Peter saved Claire, thus she must have survived some other way and thus Peter never acquired the power, as 72.38.225.166 correctly points out. --SoWhy Talk 15:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
- Huge speculation. Just because he doesn't save her life doesn't mean he never knew her or came into contact with her... she IS his niece after all. Even in a family capacity they could have met. Heck I've met TONS of people I've never saved. Padillah 17:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
- "Five Years Gone" is the timeline created by Future Hiro going into the past. In that timeline, Peter received Future Hiro's message and saved Claire, thereby getting her power. Ophois 22:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
- But in the events of "Five Years Gone", Future Hiro didn't know Peter saved Claire, thus she must have survived some other way and thus Peter never acquired the power, as 72.38.225.166 correctly points out. --SoWhy Talk 15:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, but the Peter from "Five Years Gone" does have a scar. Ophois 19:03, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
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but then again, we never see anyone lose a body part completetly, that could have happened cause of the explosion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.144.236 (talk) 23:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
in the future. that peter did not save claire. so he has a scar because of it. 74.104.90.230 21:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- "Five Years Gone" Future Peter did have Claire's power. Ophois 21:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- In the Q&A column they run, the creators of the show said that Future Peter had both the scar and Claire's regeneration, and there was a reason for it, althought hey wouldn't reveal it until Season Five. So who knows if that's careful planning or careful bullshitting. ShaleZero 18:42, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Peter definitly had Claires power, had he not, Claire would be dead. Hiro specifically said, that Sylar regenerated, because of Claires power, he assumed Claire had died, and Sylar got his regen power from Claire, however, when Ando tells Hiro that Claire had been saved, he questions Noah Bennet, and states that it was his own (Hiro) future actions, that started the chain that would result in the already evident saving of Claire's life. Noah never knew that Peter got the message of saving the cheerleader from Hiro, until this point. The saving of Claire's life had already happened, Noah just didnt know who tipped Peter off. Although, Sylar's apparent ability to survive impaling must be explained through other means, I suspect it is a plot twist, to compare Sylar to a cockroach, being able to survive, always, but thats another article. Baaleos 20:52, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- i think it's safe to say that the effects of time travel in science fiction is way too convoluted to confidently explain the sequence of events. after all, before future Hiro went back to tell Peter to save Claire, she died. yet, when Hiro and Ando go to the future, future Hiro believes Claire to be dead until Hiro tells him that Peter saved her. at the same time, future Hiro expresses his belief that the timeline should have been altered by that fact, but it did not.
- Peter definitly had Claires power, had he not, Claire would be dead. Hiro specifically said, that Sylar regenerated, because of Claires power, he assumed Claire had died, and Sylar got his regen power from Claire, however, when Ando tells Hiro that Claire had been saved, he questions Noah Bennet, and states that it was his own (Hiro) future actions, that started the chain that would result in the already evident saving of Claire's life. Noah never knew that Peter got the message of saving the cheerleader from Hiro, until this point. The saving of Claire's life had already happened, Noah just didnt know who tipped Peter off. Although, Sylar's apparent ability to survive impaling must be explained through other means, I suspect it is a plot twist, to compare Sylar to a cockroach, being able to survive, always, but thats another article. Baaleos 20:52, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] WAY too elaborate
"In the premiere episode, Peter Petrelli is a nurse living in New York City. He is sensitive and compassionate, wears his heart on his sleeve and is described as a "dreamer". Peter is also defined by his complex relationship with his older brother, Nathan, to whom he feels very close, even claiming he has a sort of metaphysical connection that allowed him to know immediately when Nathan suffered a serious accident in the past. Differences between Peter and Nathan, an ambitious politician who is so focused on his congressional campaign that he shows no compassion when their mother is arrested for shoplifting, have caused tensions between the brothers." NO WAY can that much detail be needed.
- I've made a start at cleaning up those first few paragraphs. It will still take a few more passes, though. --Ckatzchatspy 09:42, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
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- The entire article could use a few passes, I've updated four months later. An anon has since done another pass and improved it further. I'm happy with how that looks now, and pretty happy with alternative future area. But the rest reads like its trying to tell a story. We're in the second season now, and we can't devote an entire paragraph to Peter's story in every ep, an entire season should be able to fit within a couple of paragraphs. Rekija 03:04, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Side effects
I'm torn: Peter does indeed lose control of Ted's power and that is what causes him to explode (always assuming that was Peter that we saw explode. I have my doubts). But he doesn't lose control from too many powers, just that he has a hard time controlling the new power at first, as he does with most powers he gets the first time.
Was it the overload of too many powers that Claude was referring to, or was it simply the inability to control even one power (when it's new). If Claude meant the former that is incorrect, Peter is clearly within range and using several powers, if not at the same time at least very quickly one after another. If it's the later than that is correct, Peter exploded because he had trouble controlling Ted's power initially the same as he has with others powers initially. Padillah 15:45, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- What does you mean that you have your doubts that Peter exploded...? Anyways, my interpretation was that he was referring to using too many powers at once. The overload effects were very different than what happened in the finale. Ophois 00:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
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- I agree that what happened in the finale is different than when he overloaded. Padillah 01:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
- However, I believe Mohinder said that he could lose control if he absorbed an unstable power. Ophois 01:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
- I agree that what happened in the finale is different than when he overloaded. Padillah 01:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
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- I believe everyone was theorizing about him going boom, before they knew he came in contact with 'Nuclear' Teddy. Suresh said he could explode from absorbing too many powers before he knew about Ted, he only drew his conclusion that Peter would indeed go boom, from the fact that somone had told him about Isaac's painting of the bomb, so if a person was going to go boom, he assumed it was going to be Peter, had he known it was going to be due to Ted's power alone, he would have probably said this. Peter himself didnt know what would be the thing that caused him to go nuclear, until Claire mentioned Ted. After that point, everyone in the series knew that Ted Sprague was gonna be the trigger to create the bomb, and he was.Baaleos 20:42, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Protagonist
Um, people, there is evidence (I am not saying definite) that Peter is the single primary protagonist of the series, because, well, Peter's storyline and his eventual final fight with Sylar is the one that ties other characters' storylines in the series (or at least, the first season). Should we put Peter as the primary hero? It's up to you. Leader Vladimir
- We can't make that call - it has to be supported by valid third-party references. If the producers label the character as such, or if a reviewer makes such a comparison, then we would have something to work with. --Ckatzchatspy 22:17, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Last I checked the show is called Heroes not Hero, while Peter Petrelli is extremely important, the show revolves around the efforts of many and thus excludes Peter Petrelli from such a title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.139.205 (talk) 03:02, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Full list of Peter's Powers
I think we should create a sub section listing the powers Peter has in the episode Five Years Gone.
And more importantly, in the final episode of season 1, peter is in close contact with Sylar. So it is fair to say he has gained all the abilities Sylar has including the ones gained after they last met. I.e sensitive hearing. Should these abilities be listed down as well? Blacktoxic 15:37, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- We don't really know how the contact with Sylar worked - both of them are special cases. With no hard evidence, we should keep from adding Sylar's powers until they're actually used. Note also that the first episode of the second season implies that Peter lacks eidetic memory, but again, no hard evidence. --Kizor 18:53, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I forgot which episode it was in season 1 but it was said that Sylar showed no signs of any abilities but Telekinesis while he was being tested on, this could have something to do with Peter's lack of acquiring the rest of his abilities or at least the manifestation of them when you consider he would have attained abilities that would more or less be passive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.139.205 (talk) 23:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Peter was shown having memory loss, so he may have come into contact with the Haitian. Also, when Sylar acquired enhanced hearing, he suffered from the enhanced noise for a while. If Peter had indeed inherited the rest of Sylar's powers, he would have immediately started to feel the pain of the loud noises. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.138.136.29 (talk) 12:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] pyrokinesis power
Since the only character at the time that had it was Claire's biological mother, can't that mean that Peter came in contact with her before Five Years Gone??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.157.179.197 (talk) 01:56, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Powers aren't unique, so it could have easily come from someone else. Ophois 02:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. In season 2 episode 1 there's a young chap who can fly as well. Powers are likely not exclusive. Blacktoxic 13:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
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- There's an interview with one of the producers that states they are not exclusive. I wish I remembered where I saw that. It was a citation I just don't remember which. Padillah 14:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
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It might be a manifestation of his radiation manipulation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.118.1 (talk) 21:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
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- I just saw closely on the dvd, definitely not radiation. And in that alt future, he may not have even met Ted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.141.94 (talk) 17:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
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- Doesn't really change the fact that the 3 sec. use of an unidentified power is not really notable. AND it has been established that that particular future has been avoided so it doesn't even impact the series. Inasmuch as I'd love to debate the origin of an aquired power used for ~3sec on a single episode foreshadowing a future that will not come to pass... it is not notable. In light of the fact that it has been established that the future portrayed in Five Years Gone I think the powers lists and so forth really need to be given up. Padillah 20:08, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Amnesia
I'm just curious if there's any actual evidence that Peter's memory loss at the beginning of season 2 is just because of amnesia. While that would be the apparent case, it seems like a large jump of a conclusion, especially with people like the Haitian running around. Jklharris 23:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- I was under the impression that the two are effectively synonymous (in particular because the film-land version Peter's suffering from is referred to as "cinematic/selective/whatever amnesia"), but if you think there's a significant difference, "memory loss" would be a more accurate description. What do others think? --Kizor 22:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
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- A possible reason for the amnesia plot is to keep Peter in the series, without having to recreate another nuclear bomb scenario... His power supposedly works on remembering how he felt about somone, his own words, so if he cant remember Ted Sprague, he shouldnt be nuclear. This is just an assumption though. It would make sense to try and stay away from the nuclear bomb scenario again for season 2, and this would be one way to accomplish this. Make sure Peter cant remember Ted, therefore cant go boom. Although, saying that, he has been using powers of people already, without remembering them, but saying that, he has been using those powers on reflex, when he needs to. He needed to get free from imprisonment, so he phased out of his bonds. He needed to heal, so he healed, he was being attacked, so he used electrical/radiation blast (electricity can be argued to be a form of radiation) and telekinesis. He was being attacked in Melee, so he defended himself with a super powered fist. It possible the electrical blast, is a more stable version of Ted Sprague's power, used by reflex, opposed to memory/emotion. Time will tell more. Baaleos 20:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Assuming DL is the benefactor of Peters phasing ability.
I know assumptions are a no,no but if we are to assume that DL was the benefactor of Peters phasing ability in the episode "How to stop an exploding Man" Shouldn't we likewise assume that he also has Molly Walkers and Micah Sanders abilities as well? While I agree that Peter got his ability from DL we don't exactly know that for certain given the large gap in time from that episode to the first of season 2.
Peters benefactor could easily have been someone else during that time or DL himself during a different encounter. Given that Peter did not make direct contact with DL during that episode and Micah+Molly were next to DL the entire time, preparations should be made for the inclusion of those 2 characters abilities if we are to assume DL is Peters benefactor from that episode onward. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.139.205 (talk) 03:31, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- I agree and removed D.L. as the benefactor. Ophois 04:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I disagree. So far as we know, Peter gained the power of phasing from DL. We shouldn't list Molly's and Micah's powers because Peter has yet to display them, but second-guessing the source of his phasing power is just silly. If we were to assume that he got that power from someone else, then we might as well say that Peter got his power of flight from his father or mother, and not Nathan, or that Hiro teleported Takezo Kensei back in time to when Claire was attacked, so Peter got regeneration from him and not from Claire.LordArros 05:40, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- Peter has never come into direct contact with D.L., though. The only time that they've been shown to be near, D.L. was still far outside of what had been previously shown to be the range of Peter's powers. Ophois 05:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- Except that it was made pointedly clear that Peter got his healing ability from Claire. The show went through great pains to make sure we understood that he wasn't able to heal himself until Claire came near him. This support just isn't there for the phasing. We've seen at least two powers have been copied, there's no evidence for where Peter's been the last four months (not even Nathan knows)... It's the assumption that the power must have come from D.L. that's second-guessing. And is it finally of any real import? Does it matter where he got the ability? Remember, his power is passive, he may have gotten all his abilities from random people walking down the street. What does it matter? He's blatantly displayed the ability so we know he has it. Padillah 05:51, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
The point is it was marked down that Peter acquired his phasing ability from DL (which i do agree with) in a specific episode from notably a specific event in the show. DL came in contact with Peter in the same exact manner,point,distance,time,entire capacity as Micah and Molly Walker so if it was good enough to assume that Peter got his phasing from DL in that episode at that moment and encounter then it should have been good enough to assume that he also has Technopathy and the ability to locate anyone he thinks of, but since this isn't the case for Molly and Micah then it shouldn't be the case for DL. If and when 1 of 2 things happen 1. the gap in time between that episode and the discovery of Peter is revealed or 2. Peter displays Molly Walkers and Micah Sanders abilities then I believe we can 100% state that he got those abilities at that moment in time during that episode from DL,Micah and Molly. At the very most it should be marked down as "assumed" D.L Hawkings, Assumed "How to stop an exploding Man" since he is thus far the only one to explain the phasing ability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.139.205 (talk) 06:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- Occam's Razor. The electrical power might have come from Sylar or someone else but that is unclear. Clearly we can't cite Sylar as the source, *unless* he exhibits that power, and even then, we'd have to make sure he had it before, etc. So citing that power's origin as "unknown" is reasonable.
- However, the phasing ability has clearly been exhibited by D.L Hawkins, period. Just because he hasn't shown the abilities of Molly and/or Micah, does not mean anything; he may not have used them yet.
- A.) As it has been mentioned, his power is passive.
- B.) He lost his *memory*, he hasn't exactly been pulling all of his powers out, he didn't even remember he had them.
- Antelope In Search Of Truth 06:39, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
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- Unfortunately we simply don't have enough information to draw the conclusion that Peter got the phasing ability from D.L. I am beginning to believe we need to remove the "Benefactor" column from this particular table. It adds nothing, and only gives editors something to argue over. What does it matter whom he got the power from? What does assuming he got the power from D.L. mean? Even if he and D.L. use the power in different ways that may simply be a function of creativity, not level of mastery. Padillah 12:50, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
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- I would like to say that is is quite obvious where Peter got his Electric powers from, it is part of Ted's powers. In .07% Ted showed that he could create an EM Pulse and not just the radiation he had previously displayed and so could produce Radiation across the EM spectrum beyond heat. Since Peter acquired Ted's ability to "explode" it would stand to reason that Peter can do EM Pulses as well. The flash seen in the container in Ireland emanating from Peter's glowing hands would indicate that it is a Ted power since glowing hands seem to be the trademark of Ted's powers. Maybe the Radiation Manipulation and Electric Manipulation powers can be considered one power.
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- As to the phasing ability. I think it best to mark it down as being acquired from DL since no one else has been shown to poses the power... yet. If someone else turns up and it is feasible that Peter acquired the power from this alternate source, it can be changed then. I am pretty sure that it is supposed to be assumed that the phasing ability came from DL and was most likely contracted in How to Stop an Exploding Man or in the four months after.
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- With the arguments about Peter contracting all of Sylar's powers and therefore should poses superhearing, Peter seems to have naturally great control over the powers he poses, even when he newly acquires them, unlike Sylar. He doesn't seem to need to actually concentrate on the power (nor apparently the person anymore, since he has lost his memories and still has the powers) but just have a will, and what he wills, his powers (if available) would make happen. It would seem that they are triggered by need and no longer by conscious thought, as seen when he first uses the phasing ability. Peter may have contracted Molly and Micah's powers and are yet to show them. I think logically, the list should show only the powers Peter has been seen to use, and the Benefactor can just be the person who has the power which Peter has come into contact with.
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- Just a side question, who is Caitlin? I don't recall seeing a Caitlin in the series with phasing abilities. Ed-dg 14:08, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- Caitlin is the woman that's taking care of Peter (the one that was cleaning him up, the one he defended). And she did not demonstrate phasing power but that doesn't mean she doesn't have it.
- And to be frank rumor has it either her or the brother has electric manipulation and Peter got it from them. But the point is that we don't know... we can't know where Peter gets any particular power. His power is too passive, it's not like the Haitian that must touch and concentrate to activate his power, Peter just needs to be there. As I say below, "Benefactor" needs to go. Padillah 14:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- I totally forgot her name was Caitlin... but I think that at least my suggestion below should be considered. We could just list those who have displayed possession of the power and maybe indicate the most likely benefactor. Would you agree? and what about the EM theory of mine? Ed-dg 14:31, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- No, he most likely got the electric power from Elle. Ophois 15:47, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- Who's Elle? The dead don 17:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- Kristen Bell's character that will be introduced in the fifth episode. According to different sources, her power will be electric manipulation. Ophois 17:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- That's speculation at this point. The article should only reflect confirmed facts. Luke Powell 15:12, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
- Kristen Bell's character that will be introduced in the fifth episode. According to different sources, her power will be electric manipulation. Ophois 17:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- Who's Elle? The dead don 17:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- No, he most likely got the electric power from Elle. Ophois 15:47, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- I totally forgot her name was Caitlin... but I think that at least my suggestion below should be considered. We could just list those who have displayed possession of the power and maybe indicate the most likely benefactor. Would you agree? and what about the EM theory of mine? Ed-dg 14:31, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- Just a side question, who is Caitlin? I don't recall seeing a Caitlin in the series with phasing abilities. Ed-dg 14:08, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
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With all respect, we need to come to a consensus on this issue. My understanding, based on this discussion, is that it's probable that Peter got phasing from D.L., but there is no direct evidence of this on-screen. The heading of this section is even "Assuming DL is the benefactor...", which seems to imply that making that statement is an assumption - which we can't add, since it's OR. I would recommend that we keep the benefactor as "unknown". ZZ Claims ~ Evidence 18:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- This would appear to be straight forward. DL has phasing abilities. DL was near Peter. Peter absorbs powers from those he is near. Peter exhibits the ability to phase AFTER being near DL. No further evidence needed. That is how his power works. Case closed.
- Ted can generate EMP pulses. EMP pulses are defined as: A broadband, high-intensity, short-duration bursts of electromagnetic energy. (See: Electromagnetic pulse) Ted was near Peter. Peter absorbed his power. He has already exploded. Now he has shown the other aspect of Ted's power, bursts of electromagnetic energy. Case closed.
- How does this have to get anymore complicated?
- Would someone tell me what more we need? What is the problem? He doesn't always immediately exhibit the powers he absorbs. But *everyone* so far that he has powers and has been near him, has given them to him.
- Antelope In Search Of Truth 18:31, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
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- I think the electric blast/electromagnetism/lightning zap issue is complicated by one of the online comics where Peter absorbs a lightning blast-style power (Walls, I think), setting a precedent for that type of power being distinct from Ted's radiation-type power. Couple that with the fact that an EMP creates no explosive or propulsive force. The Irish thug was clearly thrown for a significant distance. A normal radiation blast could have done that, as when Ted blew up the bennet house - but there was no fire or heat observed here. When Ted and Matt escaped from the paper company, Ted set off an EMP - but it didn't do any physical damage, to surrounding walls or to Matt. That's probably why this power seems like a different power - even though it might not be. We just don't know, and can't speculate.
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- As for D.L. - Peter never came into close proximity to D.L., Micah, or Molly. They were at the door to the building, and Peter was maybe 50-100 feet or so away, fighting Sylar. Peter's attacks on Sylar seemed to be normal strength until Nikki approached and helped Peter, after which Peter attacked Sylar with Nikki's super-strength (per the force of the blows and the sound effects). Based on other powers, where Peter had to be in close proximity to absorb the power (i.e. Claire and healing, failing to fly until Nathan flew to him, etc), D.L. has never been shown to be close enough for Peter to absorb his power. If such contact took place during the four month gap, we'll find out soon enough - Episode 8 is entitled "Four Months Ago". But, until we know that it was D.L. and not someone else, we can't speculate. That's why, in my mind, it has to remain as "unknown" for both powers. ZZ Claims ~ Evidence 18:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
That's a good case for both, though I would submit one caveat: it has not been established how close he has to be and his abilities have been getting stronger (being able to summon powers at will, etc.).
Anyway, good points for the "unknown" classification. I honestly did not remember how far he was from those characters in that episode (but I remembered that they were roughly in the vicinity). Until they clear up the question of his limits or establish past contact that is clear, then it is hard to say.
Antelope In Search Of Truth 20:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- It's about ten or fifteen feet. When he didn't have control of his power and was with Claude, Peter turned visible again after Claude left his immediate vicinity. Ophois 20:59, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
The Claude explanation is the closest we've seen for the 'range' of Peter's abilities, in that lone instance. Anything else is made up by us. However, the show has gone to great lengths to also not clearly show Silar nor Peter use any ability before without us knowing the source of the power--until Peter's "blue blast" this season, and aside from the 5 Years Gone episode, where Peter has apparent fire powers. Even then, we already knew that Silar had "ice" powers from Episode 2 of season 1. He killed Molly's parents with them (or defaced their bodies afterwards with them; the powers may have come from her parents).
Perhaps the best would be to put, "Apparently D.L. Hawkins," as this being fiction, and these other holes in Peter's learning abilities, we may will never know, and some supposition and interpretation on our part is required. • Lawrence Cohen 04:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
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- The Claude-range is shown multiple times. Also, Peter didn't absorb Ted's or Claire's powers until they were very close by. Ophois 04:10, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Also, the only other "unconfirmed" power is Sylar's telekinesis, which is not even Sylar's 'native' power. His natural power is his apparent ability to understand how anything works, which is how he steals abilities from his victims (apparently). Remember--his first murder victim was that hapless telekinetic fellow. Sylar, due to his own ability to understand the mechanics of a thing, immediately had near mastery over the telekinesis. Peter, then, would also have this ability to understand the mechanics of a thing, but we don't list that--but we assume Peter learned his "TK" from Sylar. Why? Peter then also has each and every one of Sylar's other abilities, presumably. What we put in the box is 100% subjective on only our interpretation, barring an official source (a guide from the television show, or a statement in it that explains this). • Lawrence Cohen 04:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- Peter has used TK. He hasn't demonstrated any of Sylar's other powers. Ophois 04:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- Lawrence Cohen, that is exactly my argument. The information adds little if anything and will always be a subject of contention. Padillah 04:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- As I've said before, just because there's the possibility that Peter may have gotten a duplicate power from somewhere else, he is still using the power that he got from the people listed. When asked about the TK, Peter tells Claude that he got it from Sylar. Ophois 05:02, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- With regards to Peter having all of Sylars abilities yet only displaying Telekenesis, consider this :Sylar has not used any other power around Peter except Telekenesis, so could we assume that unless someone actually USES their power around Peter, he cannot obtain it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.246.64.125 (talk) 13:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- Peter absorbed Isaac's power without Issac using it near him. Ophois 13:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- I think it's more a question of "Does Peter even know he has this ability?" Many here have speculated that he has several powers from several people but the question is does he know that? Now that would need to retconned in since it's been shown more than once that Peter has little control over a newly acquired power at first so, like someone mentioned, if he had superhearing he'd know because he would have a period of adjustment. But that could be taken care of with a simple "he's getting used to his own power and aquiring other powers isn't the shock it used to be". Padillah 13:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Why all these complicated theories about how D. L. is not the source of Peter's phasing ability? These theories are verging close to original research. D. L. can phase; they have been seen together; until the show clearly indicates otherwise, we have to assume that D. L. is the source of the power instead of speculating about, for instance, people with phasing power not yet revealed. If such a new character surfaces in a future episode, then change/add the information when that new episode is aired; that's the nature of Wikipedia: to add new information as it arises. —Lowellian (reply) 22:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
In an attempt at a compromise, instead of putting either "unknown" or "D. L. Hawkins" in that cell in that column, I put "possibly D. L. Hawkins". —Lowellian (reply) 22:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC
I would say that since D.L. is the only hero we've seen who can phase, it's safe to assume that Peter did get this power from him, so, yeah, put D.L. next to phase through solid objects! (yelladong)
I agree with the Occom's Razor statement. Any arguement against DL as the benifactor has just been long and complicated. For example, if something falls in your house, there could be powerful electromagnets in your floor that do it, but it's probably gravity. All the arguements against DL to me read as "But how do we know the earth is spinning to produce gravity!?" or "How do we know the hosue in on earth." DL was close to Peter. Peter absorbs powers when close. Peter even absorbed Nikki's powers and she wasn't much closer than DL was. Therefor, it's extremely possible that he absorb DL's. I'm putting "Probibly D.L. Hawkins".
Distort 6 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.44.226.49 (talk) 18:29, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
What do you mean that Niki wasn't much closer than DL was? Niki two feet away from Peter. DL was at least a hundred feet away... Ophois 00:16, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
- You do realize that as soon as you assume something you've added thought and conclusion to the process. When you do that it's [WP:OR Original Research] and does not belong in Wikipedia. Padillah 13:26, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Let me make it nice and easy for you, chaps. In an edition of Comic Book Resources' column "Behind the Eclipse", a weekly Q&A with the writers of Heroes, a user asked if Peter had absorbed the abilities of everyone in Kirby Plaza (including Molly, Micah, and D.L.). The answer was a definite "yes". Link forthcoming.
EDIT: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10692 LINK! Close to the bottom of the page, question by user "Suburban Hobbit". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.108.232.25 (talk) 15:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
- Hmmm, in light of this citation, that would place exposure to D.L. before any events that may or may not have happened during the hiatus. Notwithstanding my desire to remove the column altogether, this looks like the citation we've been looking for. what say ye others (and how do we turn it into a citation tag)? Padillah 19:10, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Assuming DL is the benefactor of Peters phasing ability. (Arbitrary split for ease of editing)
- I think we're forgeting something relatively important here: powers grow. I know that this can be considered speculation, but it does make sense. Since the series began, we've seen characters learn to handle their powers, Matt doesn't get overwhelmed by everyone's thoughts anymore, Bennet said he was more powerful than they thought because he could get a thought from him in the presence of the Hatian (twice), Nathan learned how to fly better after the accident with Heidi, and learn to land better after running away from HRG and the Hatian, Ted learned to use his radioactive abilities in a non-destructive way. Since the addapt to their abilities, we should consider that Peter addapted to his as well, by having ratius of his mimicry increased, therefore explaining how he (presumably) got phasing from DL. 201.17.94.153 18:42, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- I appreciate what you are trying to accomplish and, as a fan I agree with most of the assumptions made, but they are assumptions. We can't entertain them for the article unless we can provide some third-party reliable citation for them. Which sucks because it leaves this open hole but that's the way wiki is run. Padillah 19:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed with Padillah. While they would make for an interesting read, it would still be OR and speculation. We def shouldn't be listing any powers Peter hasn't used yet. Peter may have picked up 100 powers just walking down the street but unless he uses one of those powers we shouldn't list it. Rekija 01:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Times like these make me hate the writters for leaving so many things unspecified, if they took just a little extra time to state limits and show how things work we wouldn't need to use our time trying to figure them out. 201.17.94.153 16:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed with Padillah. While they would make for an interesting read, it would still be OR and speculation. We def shouldn't be listing any powers Peter hasn't used yet. Peter may have picked up 100 powers just walking down the street but unless he uses one of those powers we shouldn't list it. Rekija 01:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- I appreciate what you are trying to accomplish and, as a fan I agree with most of the assumptions made, but they are assumptions. We can't entertain them for the article unless we can provide some third-party reliable citation for them. Which sucks because it leaves this open hole but that's the way wiki is run. Padillah 19:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] empathic power mimicry
Hello everyone. I think we need to change Peter's ability to empathic power absortion or duplication. Because in Lizards, Peter used several power without mimicry. I understand that in the past we were under the assumption that Peter could mimic the powers of the people that he met. Like when he was thrown off Charles D building by Claude and then he remember Claire and was able to heal, therefore he mimicked her power. But in Lizards he used phasing, electricity manipulation, regeneration, telekenisis and i think super strength and he doesnt remember Claire, D.L., Elle, niki or sylar. So, how can we say that he is using mimicry?????? I think he has empathic power absortion or empathic power duplication. But it certainly isnt mimicry after Lizards episode 2 or season 2. --76.168.220.243 05:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
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- Good points. It would help a lot if we had the offical term of the power from one of the producers or writers which we could use. Otherwise its just OR. Rekija 05:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- He's still mimicking their powers... Ophois 11:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- Good points. It would help a lot if we had the offical term of the power from one of the producers or writers which we could use. Otherwise its just OR. Rekija 05:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
NBC has finally released an official name for Peter Petrelli's abilities. For source information, head over to http://theories.activatingevolution.org/swiki/wiki/index.php/Residual_Emulation. Activating Evolution has named peters ability Residual Emulation. Here is a quate from the website:
"This ability makes its user a sponge of Anomalistic Abilities, making it arguably the most powerful and dangerous ability of all. Residual emulators are extremely rare and often don’t understand how to use all of their abilities until forced, perhaps as a defense mechanism or the like. Abilities are often unknowingly copied by residual emulators when within a certain range of others with Anomalistic Abilities. Peter Petrelli has exhibited this ability. "
So it is official --76.168.220.243 17:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- As much as I'd love to believe this, activatingevolution.org is just a wiki and is editable by any user. I don't think this is solid and reliable enough to call "official". And we were so close. Padillah 17:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- You are right. I was just searching activating evolution and i realized it was a wiki. Yeah, we almost had it. I am going to take the information down from the peter page if u havent already done it. DAMN!!! lol. Anyway, I am going to ask the producers and see if they will answer me on the weekley heroes Q & A over at comicbookresources.com.--76.168.220.243 17:45, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- Unfortuncatatly not reliable. I quite liked the sound of Residual Emulation. Rekija 02:04, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Since Peter survived the "bomb" event, would loosing his memory of Ted Sprague remove his instability? Also, do we have an offical range on his mimicry power, or does it even have a range, since his power is linked to "how he feels about somone" surely that means that his power could mimic the power of anyone he see's and draw's a feeling upon seeing them, I raise this point because we could then say he got the phasing power from "seeing" DL. One could theorize that by loosing his memory of Ted, he lost the instability of the power, caused by the emotional attachment to the memory of Ted, but continued to possess the potential for radiation emission power on instinctive response, eg self defence or reflex. Peter has been seen to emit electrical bursts, its possible that these are clean versions of the Radiation Emission power, electricity exists on the electro-magnetic spectrum, along with other forms of radiation. I understand this may sound abit like a rant, but I am attempting to show possible source for the one/two new power's he has apparently acquired (I say one/two because if I am right, its possible the electrical blast is just a clean version of the radiation emission which is an old power.Baaleos 20:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- How he feels about someone was just a convenient way for him to lean how to access the powers when he was training with Claude. His power has not been shown to be based on line-of-sight so being able to see D.L. doesn't help. As the main antagonist for this line of thinking I will admit that D.L. is probably who we are supposed to understand he got the power from (although, why he exhibited that power and not Nikki's strength I don't know). But I also have to stand by WP:OR which is really hard given the passivity of Peter's powers. Padillah 20:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Peter and Ted's radiation were tied to anger. Whenever they got angry they couldn't control it. This, along with Sylar activating his own radiation power that Peter would of be absorbing (entirely OR, except for Sylar's glowing hand) Sylar's radiation power while also losing control of his while being very angry and so forth. But since then he hasn't shown with that kind of anger. On the other hand, one would think that preventing him from exploding again would be the prime reason one would wish to wipe his memory...but still OR. So until it's explained in the show we can't comment on his stability Rekija 05:58, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- How he feels about someone was just a convenient way for him to lean how to access the powers when he was training with Claude. His power has not been shown to be based on line-of-sight so being able to see D.L. doesn't help. As the main antagonist for this line of thinking I will admit that D.L. is probably who we are supposed to understand he got the power from (although, why he exhibited that power and not Nikki's strength I don't know). But I also have to stand by WP:OR which is really hard given the passivity of Peter's powers. Padillah 20:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Since Peter survived the "bomb" event, would loosing his memory of Ted Sprague remove his instability? Also, do we have an offical range on his mimicry power, or does it even have a range, since his power is linked to "how he feels about somone" surely that means that his power could mimic the power of anyone he see's and draw's a feeling upon seeing them, I raise this point because we could then say he got the phasing power from "seeing" DL. One could theorize that by loosing his memory of Ted, he lost the instability of the power, caused by the emotional attachment to the memory of Ted, but continued to possess the potential for radiation emission power on instinctive response, eg self defence or reflex. Peter has been seen to emit electrical bursts, its possible that these are clean versions of the Radiation Emission power, electricity exists on the electro-magnetic spectrum, along with other forms of radiation. I understand this may sound abit like a rant, but I am attempting to show possible source for the one/two new power's he has apparently acquired (I say one/two because if I am right, its possible the electrical blast is just a clean version of the radiation emission which is an old power.Baaleos 20:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Unfortuncatatly not reliable. I quite liked the sound of Residual Emulation. Rekija 02:04, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- You are right. I was just searching activating evolution and i realized it was a wiki. Yeah, we almost had it. I am going to take the information down from the peter page if u havent already done it. DAMN!!! lol. Anyway, I am going to ask the producers and see if they will answer me on the weekley heroes Q & A over at comicbookresources.com.--76.168.220.243 17:45, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
This is speculation, too, but perhaps Peter exploding caused the radiation ability to be expelled from him? Ophois 03:50, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
May I point out that in "Unexpected", the same episode where Peter fell off a building, Peter said that it was how they made him feel that helped him control his powers. 76.31.203.217 00:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.203.217 (talk) 00:40, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
as an avid comic book/superhero fiction reader, i can confidently state that every time an individual has been named a "power mimic" he/she could only use that power while in proximity to the individual with the power. "power absorbers" OTOH, display the ability to gain a power from proximity or physical contact, then later use that power. User:Slade23:05 09 October 2007
- Exiles' Mimic has a power similar to Peter.Ophois 04:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Power Chart
Please stop putting down pointless notes like "He gains this power from Niki, and uses it to injure Sylar." we don't need to be noted he useses it to injuru Sylar" for Niki and for Phasing please stop putting down "He uses this power to escape having his hands tied in "Lizards", Thanks- RREDD13 20:31, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
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- Yeah, I agree. It doesn't sound all that important. I think ones that impact him greatly (ie...explode) are notable uses, but how he uses most of the powers isn't that notable. Rekija 02:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
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- Perhaps it can be better used to explain how the power works and to what it can be used, at least to as far as we know. For example, for time-space manipulation, we could explain that it can be used to freeze, slow down (possibly speed up as well), and reverse time, as well as move backward and forward through time, and teleportation. I know some may be self-explanatory (e.g. super strength), but would help for others powers that people may not know the details of, such as radiation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akuzio (talk • contribs) 05:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Painting the Future
It is rather subtle but I believe that Peter first exibits the ablity to paint the future in the second episode, "Don't Look Back". He lays in a hospital bed and draws a scene of him floating that is later shown to come true. DougCube 04:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
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- I didn't know it was considered subtle. Rekija 22:45, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Darth Petrelli?
During season 1, Peter has only demonstrated his own version of Sylar's telekinesis to a limited degree regarding control, as he was only able to telekinetically throw away people and objects a good distance away from himself, but apparently not below the level of Brian Davis, the original wielder of the ability, who was only able to move cups across the table. On the third episode of season 2, Peter has displayed being able to use the said power to choke the life out of a poor sucker (whom he first pinned to a wall via telekinesis) and even came close to snuffing him out if it hadn't been for Caitlin bringing him back to his senses. Sounds kinda familiar? Any Star Wars fan would fancy whether or not if Peter's beginning to succumb to the Dark Side to become the next Darth Vader, or if someother malevolent force is a work here, wouldn't you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.247.98 (talk) 04:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Caitlin gave Peter his lightning abilities. I'm sure of it.
Read the latest Graphic Novel, "Petrified Lightning." When Peter thinks of Caitlin, he is able to manifest his lightning abilities. He specifically states that thinking of Caitlin caused it. Peter tells Claude that to activate his powers, he needs to think of the people that gave them to him and how they make him feel. I'm sure it's Caitlin. What I'm not sure is if she is already aware of her own ability long before she met Peter or is she just playing dumb. Now I just need to figure out how he got them from her before they actually met, but I'm assuming he passed her somewhere in Ireland before he was caged. Don't worry, I'm not going to update it until there's further proof. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.126.212 (talk) 21:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
- He also says that he can read her mind. To me, this suggests that thinking of her gives him access to all his powers, not that he got the electricity power from her.Ophois 05:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
- How do we know that the "blue lightning" power isn't just the electro-magnetic pulse Ted Sprague exhibited in .07%? It looks the same, and, whether it's physically possible in real life or not, an EMP in the Heroes Universe may be able to repel physical objects. - PeeJay 18:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Both Peter and Caitlin have referred to it as lightning and/or electrical. An EMP has no physical manifestation. And taking the point of view that it might have one in the TV world is easily countered with a reductio ad absurdum argument. It's been referred to several times, in series, as electrical, so that's what we have to go with. Padillah 19:04, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Wouldn't be the first time rumor info was radically wrong. Padillah 19:04, 12 October 2007 (UTC)