Talk:Peter Pan

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Wouldn't the title be better as "Peter Pan (character)"? -Branddobbe 04:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so - if you just put character, people would think 'character'-what? Fictional character is more descriptive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mukino (talk • contribs) 16:18, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Appropriate tile - "literary" character as opposed to "lierature". Page moved. — Blue。 15:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation

Please see Talk:Peter Pan (disambiguation) to discuss how the title "Peter Pan" is disambiguated. - JasonAQuest 19:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image

I like the Peter Pan illustration at the top of the article, but I'm not sure it's appropriate to use in this context. As a work of art apparently created for this article, it's the visual equivalent of original research. Made-for-WP visuals are appropriate for illustrating objective information (e.g. maps, diagrams, topics where photos are too risque), but when it comes to illustrating a fictional character, it's tantamount to saying "This is what I think the character looks like," which is the submitter's opinion. I'd be much more comfortable sticking to interpretations of the character previously published by others elsewhere. (Using the illustration in Template:Peter_Pan is a different matter, and aside from the fact that it doesn't scale down as well I'd like, I think it's fine in that context.) - JasonAQuest (talk) 17:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

You're right. I've swapped the illustration with one in the public domain from an early print of the novel. It would be better if we had a more iconic colorful version, but at least this one is historical and not original research. There are a few more illustrations like this one in the book, maybe they can be used in other articles or elsewhere in this one. --Linda (talk) 04:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

[edit] Article improvement

This article has been tagged for "clean-up", and I agree. The main issue I see is that the rather long sections about Peter in this-story or that-story spend a lot of time telling the story. I think that sort of plot information is better left to the articles about those stories. This article should focus on who/what Peter Pan is, his personality, his appearance, his abilities, who his friend/enemies are, etc. Wherever possible, the focus should be on the things are true in all (or at least most) versions, and when talking about "facts" that come from anyone but Barrie, the source should be noted (random example: "In the Disney movie, Peter wears brown slippers"). And of course try not to get bogged down in trivia like what color his slippers are. :) Any thoughts? - JasonAQuest (talk) 05:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, here's where I answer and maybe disagree with myself. :) Since the Peter of Kensington Gardens is so different from the other appearances, he should probably be described separately within this article. The same may be true of the Peter of Hook (e.g. he grows up!) I just don't want to get to the point that we create a section for every work he appears in, then try to fill those with factoids from each one. - JasonAQuest (talk) 05:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I have an idea for this... I agree with you that most of the plot info should be moved to the other articles, with just a short overview here. I think it would be good to organize this page by having a main section that describes the most famous Peter Pan, the one who's in the play and the book, and he's sort of the same one in the Disney film. Then after that, we could have separate shorter sections to describe the way he is in the other ones, when he's a baby in kensignton Gardens and when he's grown up in Hook, and when he's in the other sequels and stuff. Those parts would only need to mention the differences. The important stuff about Peter Pan is the from the play and main novel. Those are the works that really struck a chord with people and made the basis for all the other stuff to be possible.

Then it might be good to have a section about how the inspiration of the character from the Davies boys.

Lots of stuff that's in this article now seems like just someone's ideas about it, and there sure is a lot about the scarlet book! Later if we have analysis of the character, it would have to come from references and not just be made up. I have some books about that and I will add some when I can find the time.

This is a big job with so many articles, but I think they're getting better and it's going to be really cool after a while. --Linda (talk) 07:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

PS. About moving the plot info to other articles - that might be a good reason to keep the separate article for Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens and not merge it into The Little White Bird, because the Little White Bird plot that's not in the Peter Pan section is totally different than the Kensington Garden part. In the LWB article, when we do the plot part there, we could put a link to the other article if people want to read that plot. If we put them all in one, it could get really long. I guess that could be OK too, but then again it might get complicated. I've been planning to start describing the plot of the LWB soon too. --Linda (talk) 07:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I've moved all of the plot synopsis material to the articles for the respective works... maybe going farther than was needed, but I don't think the "what happens" stuff is necessary except if it specifically tells you something about Peter, and in that case, it should go in another section. So if there's an example of something he does in Scarlet that tells you about his personality, put that under "Personality". I think we can get by for now without separate sections for the various works, as long as we identify where (if not P&W) each piece of info comes from. (e.g. "In Peter Pan vs. Godzilla he demonstrates the ability to grow very large and shoot flame from his mouth.") - JasonAQuest (talk) 02:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I saw that today, I think it's better like this! --Linda (talk) 05:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)