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[edit] Wow

This kid should be destined for great things. Would make a killer strategist.

[edit] name change

Changing to Peter Leko' as this is the common English spelling (please note that that this is the english wikipedia), as per WP:Naming. Themindset 22:21, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

The only really relevant statement in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) is the following: There is disagreement over what article title to use when a native name uses the Latin alphabet with diacritics (or "accent marks") but general English usage omits the diacritics. A survey that ran from April 2005 to October 2005 ended with a result of 62–46 (57.4%–42.6%) in favor of diacritics, which was a majority but was not considered to be a consensus.
Which admits that there's no consensus, so this guideline obviously doesn't justify the page move. --Adolar von Csobánka (Talk) 01:10, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
The Bulgarian article lists Lékó as being born in Szeged, can anyone throw any light on his actual birthtown? It might mean someone rewrites the whole introduction (either of this on or Bulgarian). Evlekis 03:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC) Евлекис
He was born in Szabadka/Subotica, but moved to Szeged at the age of one. [1]

On the title dispute: note that names of people are very rarely stripped of accents in Wikipedia articles, which is imho both more correct and more informative. A link page is usually placed at the accentless version to facilitate search. 84.0.216.71 12:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Is the Serbian spelling of his name relevant, being of Hungarian ethnicity and bearing Hungarian citizenship for most of his life? Also note that birth as a Yugoslav citizen doesn't make one be (Yugo)Slav-born culturewise. This term to put his country of birth may suggest that he dropped another nationality for being Hungarian, which is not the case. I suggest a change to born in Yugoslavia. 84.0.216.71 12:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Well on that note, obviously there can be no change to "born in Yugoslavia" unless ofcourse he was born elsewhere, though you know this to be in Subotica (Szabadka). Even that is enough to give his name in Serbian as of course, it is where his parents chose to give birth to him, and a country in which he was registered. And even the very fact that his name bears Hungarian orthography is only because ethnic-Hungarians were granted this right during his birthtime, as indeed they are now: compare this with ethnic-Slavs/Macedonians born in Greece, or Kurds born in Turkey, who are prohobited from officially having a name spelled in their ethnic languages according to the laws of their lands. As Wikipedia gives information, there is no harm or major space lost in giving someone elses name in another language. When that language is relevant (ie. language of birthland, language of individual's ethnicity, language of area where individual's contributions are effective) then it becomes a necessity. Burhanuddin Rabbani is an ethnic Tadjik born in Afghanistan, and nobody disputes his name given in Dari (related form of Persian but language of Afghanistan, not his Tadjiki). as such, there must be a form of spelling reflecting Leko's name in the local language. I'm thinking of changing it to Serbo-Croat but that is a non-Hungarian-related issue, more a local technicality. Evlekis 17:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] eidetic memory

I'd like to point out that Leko has been marked (as of wikipedia's article, anyway) as "someone with eidetic memory". That's something pretty rare I guess... which should be somewhat documented SOMEWHERE. However, nowhere in the article it explains why he belongs in that cateory, nor does it mention anywhere anything at all about it.

I don't think it belongs there, long story short (I don't think this can be true). If it does, then someone should try to document it. For the moment, it's misleading, at the very best.

Seigneur101 03:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Many top chess players have excellent memory. I've never heard of any evidence that Leko is unique in this regard. e.g. he is not exceptional at blindfold chess - see the 2006 Melody Amber results: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3010 . I suggest it's just a case of Leko (like all top chess players) being extremely intelligent and having a very good memory. I think it should be deleted, both from here and from the eidetic memory article. Peter Ballard 04:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh well, I just added it on the basis of it being in that article. I won't object to it being removes, but is there any source for him having it? Bubba73 (talk), 23:04, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Sounds to me like a Wikipedia rumour - once it gets on Wikipedia, it's propagated around as if it is fact. I think it should be deleted unless documented as true. Even if true, it's not essential to the article anyway (i.e. what's the harm in deleting it?). Peter Ballard 05:36, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I put it in, but I'm not opposed to deleting it. I requested a citation both in this article and eidetic memory. Bubba73 (talk), 23:23, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I removed the claim of eidetic memory. While Peter has a very good memory, he sometimes forgets his opening analysis. I even found one reference to this here http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3818 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bennedik (talk • contribs) 23:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The page name has been discussed before on this talk page. I have rarely seen "Péter Lékó" in any English language source except for wikipedia. Peter Leko's own official website http://lekochess.com consistently uses "Leko", and specifically on his biography it says

Name: Peter Leko
Date of birth: 08-09-1979
Country: Hungary

and so on, "Peter Leko" is used exclusively on this page. Using google to search http://lekochess.com for "Lékó" gives only a couple of instances, whereas "Leko", as expected, gives many. The wikipedia page was moved from Peter Leko to Péter Lékó in August 2006. I think that move was a mistake and should be reversed, as as far as I know, the spelling with diacritics is rarely used in English. See WP:ENGLISH: "If you are talking about a person, country, town, film, book, or video game, use the most commonly used English version of the name for the article, as you would find it in other encyclopedias and reference works." Quale 02:53, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the move/rename because of WP:ENGLISH. I think there is a more specific policy somewhere. Bubba73 (talk), 03:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
From the same page, "If there is no commonly used English name, use an accepted transliteration of the name in the original language." So "é" should be "e" and "ó" should be "o". Bubba73 (talk), 03:11, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I forgot to mention that if the Hungarian title were desired it should be "Lékó Péter" anyway, since I think that's the name ordering used. Quale 03:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the move. Some time ago I reversed a change from Evgeny Sveshnikov to his Latvian name for similar reasons. Brittle heaven 11:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree too. Baccyak4H (Yak!) 16:22, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

This page has been moved back and forth a few times recently. It appears above that consensus was for Peter Leko, perhaps those who object to that could give their reasons here? Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:06, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, "Péter Lékó" doesn't read like "Peter Leko". If he's Hungarian and the name contains diacritics, they should remain there so to assist readers in pronouncing his name correctly. Those who know how to read them, that is. Those who don't know how to read them will mispronounce the name anyway. Furthermore, it's only encyclopedic to have names written in their most accurate forms. Húsönd 19:53, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
That's not what WP:ENG says. English language sources overwhelmingly prefer "Peter Leko". Also, my understanding is his name in Hungarian is "Lékó Péter", and that doesn't make sense for the English-language wikipedia. Also, it isn't just what "websites" say. It's Leko's official website. Dealing with you is tedious since you choose to war to try to get your way rather than working to change the relevant guidelines by consensus. We went through this at Arpad Elo, and now you're starting it again. Quale (talk) 05:28, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I also think "Peter Leko" is the right name for this article. Anyone wanting to move this article again, should first try to gain consensus on this talk page. Voorlandt (talk) 07:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

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