Talk:Peter Daicos

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Seems to link from a lot of pages, so there is potential, FWIW. Turnstep 04:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Good catch, I hadn't noticed that. I've moved it to Prod to give the author a chance to fill it in. Gwernol 04:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Ethnicity

I have removed the "ethnicity" portion as it has NO SOURCES and is a sensitive subject. Whether he is Greek or ethnic Macedonian will be placed once a reliable source is found, ok? Mactruth (talk) 01:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Lets be constructive and USE SOURCES include them by using the followin: < r e f > s o u r c e < / r e f > but without spaces Mactruth (talk) 02:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
You guys think he maybe part Greek part ethnic Macedonian? In Peter,Hill. (1989) The Macedonians in Australia, Hesperian Press, Carlisle, pp.132 it states he is ethnic Macedonian. Mactruth (talk) 02:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
"In 2002 he made the AFL Greek Team of the Century". From the Greek Team of the Century article "The criteria was that any Greek blood(sic) whatsoever constituted eligibility for the team." So yes, it seems that he is partly Greek, at least. I suggest the whole ethnicity debate be dropped (elegant wording always helps). 3rdAlcove (talk) 03:54, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that is the conclusion I am coming too, maybe the names/origins of his parents would reveal the answer Mactruth (talk) 04:41, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I think that by removing the "Ethnicity Debate" portion from the text you really did not understand the scope of placing it.

I will develop why I wrote that text. 1.- Daicos parents came from Florina, a city in now-a-days Greece, but with a seizable portion of Slavs. 2.-The only certain fact is that they came from Greece, and immigrtaed to Australia with Greek passport. They are billigual in Slavika and Greek and belong to the Greek Orthodox Chruch. This is the reason why the redirections would help the reader to understand better the situation, not just about Peter´s ethnicity but in fact about a problem wider than this. 3.- He always refered himself plainly as a "Macedonian". Not Greek Macedonian, Slav Macedonian, "Filobulgarian" Macedonian, Albanian Macedonian, Vlach Macedonian or whatever admixture this region may have. 4.- He has never refered himself as a person with descent of the Republic of Macedonia (or the Former Yugoslavian ...blablabla ...)just because this state gained independence in the early 90's, plus the city/region where his ancestors were born do not belong to this newly formed state. 5.- The fact of accepting the vice-captaincy of this "Greek Team of the Century" does not imply he is accepting being of "Hellenic" roots, justa that he he has "Greek" descent, because his parents are "Greeks". 6.- If his ancestors were Greeks slavicized or Slavs Hellenized is a fact we will never know. Their familyname was Daicoff (or Daicov) and after the Balkanic Wars apparently was changed to Daicos, but surnames are not a base for establishing ethnicity. Nor is language (or religion) 7.- The Greek State considers "Slavophone Greeks" to be people of ancient "Hellenic" descent who fell under Slavic cultural influence, the same way The Republic of Macedonia considers "Aegean Macedonians" to be Slavs that fell under Greek influence. 8.- I think that the most important thing is that for showing a strong attach to the Macedonia region and not to any state in particular, Peter is seen as a "traitor" for radical nationalist Greek fellows and as a "Hellenizing" apostate for Slavic radicals. Let us leave the paragraph, it harms no one, it honours Peter´s convictions and brings peace to a useless debate. I think this is constructive since what I highlight is the non sense of such discussion. Periptero (talk) 16:42, 7 June 2008 (UTC)PeripteroPeriptero (talk) 16:42, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I show Daicos´ quotes regarding his designation as vice-captain in the Greek Team of the Century.- "Daicos said he was proud to be there "to honour the sacrifices that my parents made". You may check this in the Neos Kosmos Greek Australian newspaper website I have provided in the article.-Periptero (talk) 19:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)PeripteroPeriptero (talk) 19:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

What debate? Things are pretty calm around here, at the moment. Your synthesis, though its intentions are honorable, can't be accepted here. Please, users just have to show good will. 3rdAlcove (talk) 19:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
What you say is probably true, but it looks like original research and/or a biography of living persons violation. BalkanFever 04:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I've removed some of the more ridiculous unsourced crap. I don't see how proudly joining a "Greek Team of the Century" does "not imply any sort of identification with Greece" (emphasis mine), and calling himself Macedonian (in a Greek context) would if anything make Greeks proud. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 04:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)