Talk:Petar Brzica

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Call me a revisionist or denier (which I am not), but this whole story stinks of urban mythology to me; the website provided as a reference is very biased in favor of the Serb POV. If this man did exist and commit the crimes that are alleged here, proper, neutral references need to be provided NOW. The claims made in this article and that about the "Srbosjek" are extremely inflammatory, and potentially very slanderous. Mihovil 01:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

This is true. But on the other side, you have dozens of serbian editors around here, who would reinsert the article the moment it is deleted, as they did with the "Srbosjek". At the moment Srbosjek was nominated for deletion, the author mobilized dozens and dozens of Serbs on the serbian Wikipedia to come to help to vote against the deletion, with wich they succeeded at the end, no matter the given references were all serbian (one of them even linked Bulajic as a "source"), and oh coincidence, supported an pro-serbian point. As I dont have the time to argue endlessly with unemployed serbian ultranationalists who have 24hrs/day to argue/delete/revert/bullshit for their holy cause, I've given it up and decided just to name the inaccuracies and let the readers decide themselves. --Rhun 18:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


This article has to be deleted. It describes a war criminal as a hero.


Just terrible, this guy should be reported and deported from US, the fact he was allowed to stay in US that long is beyond me. What are US authorities waiting for, it is just sick, fact that person was even allowed to settle is in US is quite sickening. Totally angry, someone should act on it, contact FBI and request information on this, if you have contacts in US, you can ask your local congressman to inquire about this particular person and what are US authorities doing about this person. Someone killing even 60 innocent civilians is a true monster, if this evil man killed as stated in this article 1360 persons, this is outrageous and despicable act of most evil person ever to live. That man does not deserve to live, breed same air we all breed, no matter how old he is now, his family should be ashamed of him and his acts, if they aren't they are as sick as he is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.110.78.164 (talk) 14:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


PS, sorry, had no time to red entire article, but war crimes in Jasenovac did happened, not sure how many innocent people got killed, figures I most often hear is 90 000, and I'll go with that, but I wouldn't be surprised if some evil characters did commit acts of genocide and pure evil as described in the article, I do not believe in figure of 1360, but I would be appealed if figure was even 10% of that. It is just sickening, btw I am not a Serb, I have Jewish background and live in London. I am just appalled with any war crime and this just makes me very angry, that US authorities did nothing to act and deal with this person, deport him and make sure he faces justice in Zagreb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.110.78.164 (talk) 14:52, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Accuracy of sources section

Speaking of how accurate a source is and discussing actions and motives of editors qualifies as a discussion. Discussions are not allowed on the article main page, they are reserved for the talk page. If you have an issue with the accuracy of a source, discuss it here or go to WP:RFC. The article is never, ever the place to discuss such things because it is not very constructive to do so. If such a debate was allowed on the main page then it would only be fair to let everyone else with an agreeing and opposing point of view to have their say as well and the article would not be an article anymore, it would be a discussion.
I personally agree that this article as well as Srbosjek (knife)‎ are more or less junk and, if they were nominated for deletion, I would vote to delete them. But, until then or until some kind of a consensus is reached about the sources or accuracy, it is not constructive to carrry on discussions of the article main page regardless of how tight you think you are or that no one else is joining the discussion on the talk page. SWik78 (talk) 20:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

It is junk. If there was such a competition,why aren't the other participants mentioned and nothing is known about them??? Why aren't there any other victims reported that were "killed" by the other competents??? Petar Brzica(Brzica meaning Speedy in Croatian) is sopouse to have killed 1360 people in one night???If it wasn't sad ,it would be funny. Who did he compete with???With himself???

"It's a serbian urban legend or a myth but a good one to mislead a unpartial reader who doesn't know anything about the Balkans."

I hope someone tries to contact the US immigration service and gets a proof of his existance.--(GriffinSB) (talk) 12:47, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

As much as I dislike this article, you should not be disrupting it as you did here. Either try to fix it or nominate it for deletion or leave it alone. SWik78 (talk) 14:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to get a F response,but nobody gives a shit.--(GriffinSB) (talk) 18:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't ever disrupt Wikipedia to prove a WP:POINT again. If you're frustrated, don't take it out on Wikipedia. SWik78 (talk) 21:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I have removed this section from the article (again) and placed it below. BalkanFever 10:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Accuracy of the sources

The accuracy of the sources mentioning Brzica is generally disputed and there is reasonable belief that the story of Brzica and the slaughtering competition is more of a nationalistic, hatred-fueled wartime hearsay and creepy urban legend than a historical fact.

Apart from the few references to citations from Howard Blum's book, "Wanted! The search for Nazis", which have only been incompletely quoted on unverifiable, private web sites, as of now, actually none of the authors writing this article has ever gotten hold of or read this book. Most of the other sources on the web mentioning Brzica are either of Serbian origin, accusing their neighbours, the Croats, of war crimes, bloodthirstiness and wartime atrocities, or different versions of this article incorporated into other articles, reports and web sites.

There are numerous sources describing Brzica and this slaughtering contest, most of them offering a different version of the story. In numerous sources, he has been described as a prison guard, a simple soldier, a Ustasha officer, a law student or even a catholic priest or Franciscan monk.

His name has been changed in several sources from Petar Brzica, to Peter Brzica, Pero Brzica or Pero Bnica, and there is no definitive source of his accurate name, "Petar Brzica" being just the most often quoted pick.

His surname "Brzica" in Serbo-Croatian translates to "a quick one" or "a speedy one" (for example, the known cartoon figure Speedy Gonzales is translated "Brzi Gonzales" in Serbo-Croatian), which is suspiciously coincidental to Brzica's alleged fast slaughtering capabilities and winning of a slaughtering contest, very often mentioned by Serbian authors as "speedy slaughter of Serbs" in, a good example being being the article about the knife he allegedly used, the Srbosjek.

The number of his victims has on average been cited as 1360, all of which he allegedly has killed with his hands using a knife often called Srbosjek by Serbs. The time frame of the one-man mass killing has on most sources been given as "a day" or "a single night", both of which do not seem to be really feasible for a average trained man, considering that, for the "a day" time frame he would have to have killed one prisoner per minute, for 24 hours without making a pause. For the "a single night" time frame he would have to have killed 3 prisoners per minute for a night approximately lasting for 8 hours.

  • A night might last 12 hours. To slit a single throat - it cannot take more that 2-3 seconds. So, 1360 slit throats in a single night - is a pretty realistic datum.--71.252.83.33 (talk) 13:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A myth?

I am not a holocaust-denier, but seriously, we have NO pics of this man, no birth date, no birth place, no background, his name has been re-written like 10 times.

Something really horrible must have happened the night of the slaughter-contest but 1360 people killed in one night, that's just insane to believe in. Isn't that 3 people in one minute or something, for 24 hours?

Where are the eye-witnesses? Where are their statements to this?

It feels like a myth, like Brzica is just a symbol of the evil within the Ustasa, a name to be associated with them to really push it into the people's heads that they were EVIL, EVIL, EVIL... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.216.222.12 (talk) 23:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Brzica is a urban legend figure that was invented for the same reasons as other serb propaganda stories. The purpouse of these articles are indeed to portray Croats as "evil" so the Serbs would look innocent. People still remember the case of Ankica Konjuh and the propaganda campaign by the Serbian-Jewish Friendship Society(Milosevic allies) at the begining of the war.--(GriffinSB) (talk) 12:22, 14 June 2008 (UTC)