Talk:Peshawar

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 Peshawar was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Reviewed version: December 18, 2006
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[edit] Infobox picture

The picture of the Khyber Pass is misleading. The Pass is not in peshawar and would be appropriate for an article on FATA or NWFP.

Can you get a hold of a more appropriate free picture? Donama 23:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree with the criticism of Khyber Pass picture. I will try to get some good free pictures.
I have moved the Khyber Pass image down to a more appropriate section and have changed the image to the Islamia College. I have made more improvments to the articles to make it more inline with the Lahore and Karachi articles. Let me know of your comments. Thanks Fast track 00:32 06 July 06 (UTC)

[edit] Photograph request!

Just like to put in a request for more better quality images of Peshawar to Wikipedia Commons, so they can be added to this article and Peshawar related articles. Thanks Fast track 00:36 06 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article on hold

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  5. It is stable.
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales): [[Image:|15px]]
  7. Overall:
    a Pass/Fail: [[Image:|15px]]

I am keeping this article on hold for seven days. If enough inline citations are introduced in that time, it will easily pass as a good article. -Runningonbrains 12:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Failed GA

This article fails criterion 2b: Inline references and citations. However, overall, this is an excellent article, and once inline citations are introduced, I would suggest re-nominating. In my opinion, it should then pass easily. -Runningonbrains 14:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm inclined to disagree- at least at this time.
  • Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links), I believe some sections (Educational institutions & Sites of interest) are over-linked.
  • Sites of interest also provides little extra content and context other than an excessive & unhelpful list.
  • The History section is (without subsections) too long and needs breaking down in to eras or associated timeframes.
  • Per WP:LEAD, the opening section at one paragraph is too short.
  • Many statements would benefit from having their sources directly cited; whilst there is a large References list, comments from these sources would be better used in the Footnotes section.
    • For example, "It has been argued that an ancient city named Pushkalwati, founded by Bharat's son Pushkal, may have existed in this general area during ancient Indian times before the Persian invasion of the Indian subcontinent." - needs directly referencing.
    • The Demographics section has many facts and figures but the exact source is unknown to the user in the present condition.
    • The References section currently acts more like a Further reading section without their use in the text being more closely defined.
Should these be met, I believe the article would be a VERY GOOD ARTICLE. Hope that helps, Jhamez84 01:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
As part of GA, you may wish to visit Wikipedia:Peer review for further suggestions. Jhamez84 01:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I would like to include the FACT that peshawar was once Afghanistans land 99 years ago. Afghanistan had a contract signed with Britain that it would be Pakistans for 92 years and that mark has passed. The pakis know that Afghanistan can not take the land back until they are settled in as a country so Pakistan is trying to mess that up by sending suicide bombers in saying its Al Qaeda and all. Peshawar is Afghan land and they have every right to say they are Afghan! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.75.39.15 (talk) 01:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC).
Dude 92 years back Pakistan even didn't existed, and no one knew that a country named Pakistan will come into being. You are talking of 1915 probably! and the name Pakistan came into being in 1934 and the country in 1947. --SMS Talk 20:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply to above: The agreement the above writer mentions did not have an expiry clause and Peshawar is owned by the folks who lived there, not some afghan king. Peshawar is a Pakistani and Pakhtun city.

[edit] Government question

I just finished wikifying Peshawar Development Authority. I was wondering if it would be appropriate to merge that article into this one, as it is short. But I do not see a "government" section in this article, which would seem like the best place to put that information. Not knowing anything about Peshawar, I'm asking you folks: would it make sense to have a "government" section in this article? Or does Peshawar not have a goverment? Is the Development Authority part of it? Thanks, --Alynna 18:32, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] colliding coordinates

Both the infobox and the {{Geolinks-cityscale}} template are placing coordinates at the upper right of the article, and they are on top of each other. Is there a good way to only have one of them do this? --Alynna 23:35, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How does it mean "City on the Border" in Persian?

I have thought about this for a while and consulthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshawar Articleed a native speaker of Persian and we can't figure it out. If you take it as پیشاور "pish" is evident as "next to".

Another possibility is to take پی as foot and شاور as 'end, extremity' (from Steingass dictionary); 'at the foot of the border'. This is supported by transliterations such as Paishawur found in gazeteers from the 1820s.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Millercor (talk • contribs) 18:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
The statement about what it means in Persian is very vague and unreferenced. I have replaced it with a reference from the NWFP government about the origins of the name. Green Giant (talk) 23:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
It actually means 'high fort' and dates from the Mughal period, at least in terms of verifiable name usage. The majority of the locals however don't even call it Peshawar, but rather Pekhawar. The only thing that is known is that the city was Begram and renamed Peshawar by Akbar during the conflicts with Safavids in particular and was set up a fort to confront the Persian threat as it were since Kabul and Kandahar constantly switched hands. I can get some references to this at some point when I'm done with classes this week to help this article. The theory on it having a contiguous existence since the Kushan period is just that, a theory, not unlike the Pashtuns being the Pactyans and Pakhats etc. No on really knows if the city gets its name from the Kushans. All we do know is that the Mughals MAY have simply used a name that was a close approximation and also meant something in their Persian tongue. It is interesting that the NWFP govt. thinks its name is derived from Purushpura (I saw that myself a while back), but really need academic references instead and since the only written accounts of literal use of the name Peshawar comes from the Mughal period, that's all we have. And we really need to mention what the locals call it, even if the govt. (which takes its cues from Islamabad) wants to avoid patronizing local language use in order to homogenize the country. Tombseye (talk) 23:51, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I think you mean "hypothesis" rather than "theory" Tombseye. And yes, Peshawar means "High Fort". I wouldn't be surprised if "Purushapura" is an ancestor term to "Peshawar" but I need hard evidence. The Pathans didn't exist in what is now NWFP around the time of the Kushans, it was mostly populated by people of the Gandhari culture. I think Pathans came from what was then called "Arachosia" but is now the area between Kandahar and Quetta. So they wouldn't have had anything to do with the original naming or culture of the city at the time.- User: Afghan Historian.

[edit] References/footnotes links not working in the article

This article has several non working citation links viz:

  • 4 Peshawar - History
  • 7^ Buddhist Past By Fidaullah Sehrai
  • 8^ of Peshawar By Asghar Javed
  • 15^ History of Peshawar By Asghar Jaaved August 6, 2007 Monday
  • 17^ History of Peshawar By Asghar Jaaved August 6, 2007 Monday

Are these messed up deliberately by a vandal ??? Would be good to see fix them . Cheers
Intothefire (talk) 12:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)