Talk:Personology

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The material below was removed from the article or subtly changed. The removal of POV that the edit accomplished is laudable, but perhaps some of this removed information is valuable. I don't personally believe any of it, but that's not the issue, NPOV is. If reference can be found that Cantrell really said this, then maybe it should go back in the article. I believe none of this should go in without an outside reference though. Also, the link may be highly POV, but it is directly related to the material in question, so its removal was actually POV.

==Studies==

There have been numerous studies that show Personology's high accuracy rate. In the 1940s, a study was conducted in the San Quentin Prison in California. After the study, George H. Cantrell stated, "As a psychologist, having spent many years in vocational counseling, we now accomplish in hours better results than we would in days before practicing the principles taught by Jones and his staff."

A 1943 study on the United States Air Force showed 96 percent success in predicting how many men would survive the course.

Later, Jones shared research with newspaper editor, Robert Whiteside. After a consultation, Whiteside became a fervent advocate of personology and physiognomy. With a group of 1,028 adults he set out to test the accuracy of personality profiling, as well as relationships and career assessments. The results showed 92 percent accuracy for personality profiling. Also, 88 percent of the subjects said the information helped them with their relationships, and 88 percent were satisfied with the job that was recommended to them.

Since it cannot be cheated, personology can be a useful tool for many things such as career selecting, counseling, and relationships.

http://www.users.totalise.co.uk/~tmd/person.htm - Brief history and examples

- Taxman 13:32, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)

• Still learning so I didn't know you customarily moved POV text to the talk page, sorry! I removed that link because it was 404 when I was editing, not for any content reason. If someone wants it to go back in I have no problem with it.--Deglr6328 16:04, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• No problem then. Yes its customary so as not to lose any information. POV information can be refactored into usable material. Also a question, some of the numbers from the original post were changed into the current article, 1,028 adults, 88 and 92%, etc. Do you know why? - Taxman 18:19, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)

• • Don't know where Nadavspi got his figures but all the ones up now came from the Skeptic site, they're identical on the personology.com site as well so I trust that they're accurate.--Deglr6328 20:52, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of the Term

I have no proof of who first coined the term. However, I must point out that Henry Murray did coined that term. However, his methods is far different from the present article of which I find ridiculous and funny. People how can you verify if it's true when another observer say something different from the first. It's like introspection!! Henry Murray's method is more like a case study, a very long case study of a single person's life. --Janarius 13:41, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

removed a part full lips :talkative round face: freindly

although i found this same information in that site face reading still its not refrenced and so we must be sure of it first

[edit] Statistical Validation of Personology by Robert Whiteside

Three different statistical validation studies of the traits in Personology were done over a period of 25 years. Those studies and those facts are valid whether or not the writer believes them. Having an opinion not based on fact is not very scientific. I have the data. I've researched it and published portions of it in my book Nature's Message.

What does your research show...or, do you just have opinions? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.26.171.165 (talk) 02:20, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

I removed the following passage, as the two different fields called "Personology" have nothing to with each other, and if this is to be in Wikipedia it needs its own article:

According to A Dictionary of Psychology by Andrew M. Colman (second edition: Oxford University Press, 2006), "personology" is a psychoanalytic term "...introduced by the US psychologist Henry Alexander Murray (1893-1988) to denote a theory of personality and social behaviour in which a person's needs and personality are considered as an integrated whole."

I also removed a dead link and created a footnote list. I also removed two inapplicable links: Personology has nothing to do with phrenology or with divination. Softlavender (talk) 06:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)