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[edit] Pennine Way & Pennine Bridleway

Why does the PW start at Edale? Alfred Wainwright in his PW guide comments that it would have been a much finer start, and more logical, to be at Dovedale, right at the base of the Pennines. It's interesting to note that the new Pennine Bridleway starts much further down the Peak District. In retrospect it seems to me that the Edale start was influenced by the need, immediately pre and post WW2, to make a strong case for walking access over the Kinder/Bleaklow grouse moors. Linuxlad 08:39, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

• That may be true; other factors could be the easy access to Edale by rail and the symbolic importance of the area following the Mass Trespass of Kinder Scout. Warofdreams talk 10:33, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Well the Mass Trespass would have been very fresh in Tom Stephenson's mind when he made the original PW proposal pre-war, and worked for it as RA secretary after the war. But when the route was originally proposed (pre WW2) Ashbourne/Dovedale still had a rail service, quite popular with ramblers (it closed early 50s, I dimly recollect), (whereas Edale also nearly lost its service in the mid 60s). So rather confirms my view that Kinder Access (or memories of the Trespass if you like), held sway over other considerations. Linuxlad

Coming in a little late, should have spotted this before. Some years ago, I was told by a couple of people I walked with, who had been involved in the trespass, that the Edale start was as you say Linuxlad, it was a symbolic starting point and represented the original gathering point. These old timers also held the opinion that the Pennines as such run out at Edale and the bit going south to Dovedale is not in fact the Pennines but Derbyshire Dales... geologically a transition from the Pennine grits to the dales limestones..... High Peak to White Peak..........take your pick on that one. But makes some sort of sense. Geotek (talk) 15:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Performance art

I was interested in the addition about Performance art, though can't find enough external references to justify reverting its deletion. But in case the book actually gets published (can't trace it in Amazon or www.copac.ac.uk as yet), here's the text which was removed:

• Movement artists, Tamara Ashley and Simone Kenyon, performed the entire length of the trail in August 2006. Their book documents the performance and invites readers to create their own interpretations of the landscapes along the way.

and the book ref provided (tidied up a bit):

• Ashley, Tamara; Simone Kenyon (2007). The Pennine Way: The Legs that Make Us. Brief Magnetics. ISBN 0954907310. 

And here's one solid external reference:

• National Trails. Performing the Pennine Way. Retrieved on 2008-02-11.

PamD (talk) 10:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually that is a good reference. I've re-added on the info + the above citation. --JD554 (talk) 10:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - I was looking for a 2nd ext ref, as it had been deleted the once, but if you're happy with this one then that's fine by me! I've changed the book ref to the above slightly better-formatted version. PamD (talk) 11:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)