Talk:Penalty (ice hockey)

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I'm not a hockey expert so I wouldn't want to actually edit this, but I came to this page looking for info on 'bench minors' and I think even though it's mentioned at the top it should go in the penalty list. In addition to BMs, isn't there a whole category of penalties relating to the conduct of coaches and players on the bench (roughing on-ice players, fans, etc) and other procedural penalties? If the former is part of 'unsportsmanlike conduct', shouldn't these examples be mentioned, or at least the method of penalising teams whose off-ice personnel commit infractions? And what about instigator/retaliator penalties? Are they still being called?

Sorry if I seem like a wuss not doing the research and making the edits myself, but I am truly a fan, not an expert, and I haven't even seen a game in two years (no TV, just radio).

Oh also, IMO it would be useful to have the penalties organised (or at least coded) by type (procedural/otherwise non-contact) vs 'contact', and maybe even info on the length of penalty usually assessed for each type. I know it might be preaching to the choir (yeah, I actually know the answers myself lol), but it would help the non-initiates to decipher the calls a little better.

Oh, and aren't high-sticking penalties assessed whenever the stick's up above the shoulder, not only when it's used to hit another player?--Anchoress 04:51, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Not in the NHL. Play may be stopped if the player touches a puck with a high stick, but nobody gets a penalty for it.142.59.153.99 07:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


I noticed that by IIHF rules, a bench minor may be served by any player in the team rather than any player on the ice as in NHL. IIHF rules, page 56 in the pdf. Since I'm new to this I suggest someone else edits this until I learn how. Sarksjon 08:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

What sort of information is there about diving? I looked through the IIHF rulebook but they didn't have any information about it, just a picture of a dive.--Sillybulanston 01:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

How do you mean, information? What are you looking for? Lord Bob 03:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I mean like, in the rulebook, there is no small paragraph explaining what a dive is or the legality of it, there is just a picture of a person diving. So my question is: Is diving a penalty or not? I believe it is in IIHF games but I'm not sure about the NHL rules on it.--Sillybulanston 20:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Diving is called as unsportsmanlike conduct in the NHL.142.59.153.99 07:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Are double minor penalties assessed anymore? The NHL now seems to give major penalties to players who draw blood on a high stick or boarding call.142.59.153.99 07:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the NHL still gives out double minors, mostly for gross fouls that result in some minor injury. JJJJust 20:44, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I confirmed this in the rule book. Flip314 10:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Penalties In Minutes vs. Penalty Infraction Minutes

Google results:

"Penalties In Minutes" - 84,800
"Penalty Infraction Minutes" - 57

From the National Hockey League's "Puckology" page

"PIM
An abbreviation for "penalties in minutes" (penalty minutes accumulated)."

In short: IT'S NOT PENALTY INFRACTION MINUTES! --Signed and Sealed, JJJJust (T C) 23:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Misconduct, game misconduct, match penalty, gross misconduct(?)

Exactly what are these penalties and what infractions actually trigger that call? I know that "third man in a fight" gets a game misconduct in the NHL. There needs to be a distinction between game misconduct and match penalty - and "gross misconduct" is a new one to me... and I've been watching the NHL since the days of the Original Six. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 22:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spearing penalty

There was a spearing penalty in yesterday's Calgary @ Anaheim game. It was assessed as a double minor, not major; also, a game misconduct was not a subsequent penalty, but there was a roughing minor. This article, however, says the penalty is automatic major and automatic game misconduct. (→Zachary) 07:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Rule 86 Spearing
Spearing shall mean stabbing an opponent with the point of the stick blade whether contact is made or not.
a) A double minor penalty will be imposed on a player who spears an opponent and does not make contact.
b) A major and a game misconduct shall be imposed on a player who spears an opponent. (See also :Rule 43 -- Attempt to or Deliberate Injury of Opponents.)
c) A match penalty shall be imposed on a player who injures an opponent as a result of a spear. (See also Rule 43 -- Attempt to or Deliberate Injury of Opponents.)
TheHYPO (talk) 08:07, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Coincidental penalties

In the NHL and U.S. college hockey, if minor penalties are assessed to one player on each team at the same time ("coincidental") while teams are at full strength, the teams will each play with four skaters in "four-on-four" play. Since neither team is short-handed, a goal in four-on-four play does not end either penalty. In USA Hockey and IIHF, however, coincidental minor penalties result in normal full strength hockey, and the players may not return to the ice until the first stoppage in play after the penalties expire.

Can someone shed light on what this paragraph is trying to say? IIHF rule 512d explicitly states that at full strength for both teams, substitutions are not allowed, leaving both teams with four players, so clearly the part about IIHF is misinformed – I don't know about the other organizations though. -- Jao (talk) 14:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Goals scored during delayed minor calls

I added information about the result of a goal scored during a delayed minor call because it seemed to be both appropriate to the article and important information. If this is unacceptable or if anyone else has a suggestion of how to make it better, please feel free to explain and change or delete it. Tstreet (talk) 01:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)