Talk:Peggy Kerry

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Peggy Kerry was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was KEEP. 18 votes to keep, 7 votes to delete, 1 vote to merge and redirect. Postdlf 03:25, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Peggy Kerry

No reflection on Ms. Kerry, but not notable. People have brothers and sisters, and many thousands of people fill various mid-level bureaucratic posts. — Bill 17:59, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete notability-by-association article and bureaucruft. -- WOT 18:38, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unlike in the royal system, where I'm less sure that people who were never in line for the throne are not notable, in the American political system, relatives of politicians never merit notability that stems only from that blood tie. --Improv 18:58, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Article was requested on the village pump. anthony (see warning) 19:03, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Um... not voting. User:Darwinek just tried to remove the VfD notice from the article. func(talk) 19:32, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep we have articles the entire Bush clan. - SimonP 22:12, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)
  • Merge with and redirect to John F. Kerry. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 22:47, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep, its pretty standard across the board to have articles about people who are notable by association to figures of leadership, including people of various royal bloodlines who were otherwise non notable, this is no different. —siroχo 23:31, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep -- anthony, SimonP, and Siroxo have all given good reasons (though I find SimonP's most compelling, and I admit that anthony's reason wouldn't justify any article, though I think it justifies this one). Jwrosenzweig 23:34, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. This isn't so hard, now is it people? GRider 01:12, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete, we had this discussion on the VfD for the daughter of Tony Blair, and I believe the consensus was to delete. I would disagree with Siroxo's comment about "it's pretty standard across the board". IMO, relatives who do not themselves demonstrate notability are themselves not notable. -Vina 02:36, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep - Peggy Kerry is campaigning actively in battleground states for John Kerry with 225 articles on Google News [1] and Google has 151,000 entries for Peggy Kerry [2]Capitalistroadster 06:12, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Good try.... In fact, Google has only about 700 hits for "Peggy Kerry"
  • Keep. I hadn't planned on voting, but 674 google hits for ( "Peggy Kerry" "John Kerry" ) is a lot more than I was expecting. Maybe 5 years from now, no one will care, but for now, she's notable. func(talk) 22:40, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep if expanded. Unlike the daughter of Tony Blair, Ms Kerry is actively contributing to a political campaign. I'd like to believe that you get notability in the US political system by merit alone, and not by having a notable relative, but there are plenty of precedents that that isn't the case. Average Earthman 13:20, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. --Conti|✉ 16:54, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. A Kerry cousin who works in a bar would not be notable though. --Ianb 23:18, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete Not nearly notable enough no matter how many hours she has put in on the campaign. Indrian 23:22, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. This should definitely not be merged with John Kerry, which is already overlong. If this article is deleted, let the information be lost from Wikipedia. JamesMLane 06:04, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • So, schools which have been attended by many thousands of people are not notable, but a very ordinary person who just happens to be the sister of a politician and has contributed to his election campaign (surprising that!) is notable? There goes logic! I wonder if she'd be considered notable if she was the sister of a non-American politician. Delete. -- Necrothesp 14:04, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • There is no policy that "schools which have been attended by many thousands of people are not notable". anthony (see warning) 14:53, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
      • I'm fully aware that there's no policy, although many would have us believe that there is. -- Necrothesp 19:07, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • You certainly seem to be implying it yourself. But if you agree there's no such policy, what is your argument for deletion? Revenge? anthony (see warning) 19:27, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
      • I believe I said, but if you missed it...She's not notable. Ordinary person doing an ordinary job. Just happens to be related to someone else. Aren't we all? Not revenge, no. Nothing to get revenge for. I was merely making a comparison. -- Necrothesp 22:32, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • Why isn't she notable? For that matter, why aren't we all notable? anthony (see warning) 23:37, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep As noted we have articles for most of the Bush family, what makes the Kerry family exempt, at least until the election is over. If he loses, delete, if he wins keep. PPGMD
  • Postpone decision until election result is known. Chris 00:54, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • What happens if the election is a tie? :-)
      • Then George Bush will win due to the Republican majority in the House of Representatives... Deleteme42 10:43, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. if John Kerry won't become president, it might be a candidate for deletion in a few months Deleteme42 10:43, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Not notable, which makes it all the more intereseting. --Quintucket 17:21, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Round file -Joseph (Talk) 02:54, 2004 Oct 25 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. Gamaliel 06:09, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete Not notable at present.
  • Strong keep. It appears that we are not going to reach a concensus here. Can the VfD be removed please?? Radman1 16:29, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep - factual, verifiable entry. Mark Richards 19:32, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep, this is abuse of VfD. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 23:49, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Second vfd vote