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[edit] WikiProject Palestine

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[edit] Re: signature

Hi there! I use a template in my userspace to generate my signature. Normally, you're not allowed to use templates in signatures, but I use template substitution to get around it. What you have to do is create your own template in the vein of mine, and then use a raw signature of {{subst:User:Pedro Gonnet/sig}} or whatever. You can format your timestamp using the variables outlined here. The only difference is, instead of signing with ~~~~, you'll have to sign with ~~~. The only other thing is that you should add yourself to Category:Users who have opted out of automatic signing, or SineBot will start duplicating your timestamp. If you need any other help, just post on my talk page. Cheers! east.718 at 18:55, 10/10/2007

[edit] Signature test

Testing, pedro gonnet - talk - 11.10.2007 07:55

[edit] Davidka - Characteristics

Thanks for the improved topic heading. :) -- Eliyahu S Talk 20:53, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Uruguay

I noticed the reversions going on with this article. Do you have a source for "The Republic East of the Uruguay"? --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 17:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Niel! I admit, it's a debated issue, but as a Uruguayan and native Spanish speaker I go for the definition I leaned at school and which is also used by the government (see the English pages, click on the flag lower left and then Information->General Information). Honestly, I was more irritated by it's being the accounts only edit, without debate, and I followed WP:BRD. Cheers, pedro gonnet - talk - 03.04.2008 18:03
The concern that I have is that "The Republic East of the Uruguay" returns less than 20 google hits (not counting wikipedia) while "Eastern Republic of Uruguay" returns 286,000 and "Oriental Republic of Uruguay" returns 52,000. That link you gave me has "Oriental Republic of Uruguay":

The Oriental Republic of Uruguay is named after its geographic location to the east of the Uruguay River. This geographical reason as well as historical reasons caused the Uruguayans to be called 'Orientals', even if, obviously, Uruguay is situated in the Western Hemisphere. As for the word 'Uruguay', it comes form the Guarani language, meaning 'river where the birds live'.

--NeilN talk ♦ contribs 18:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Translation is always a matter of judgment, and there's no reason for WP to go with the most common translation rather than the best one. In Spanish, "Oriental Republic of the Uruguay" might make sense, but in English it implies that the republic is in the East, rather than lying to the east of something. Thus the translation we have is a better rendition into English. It should remain, unless "Oriental Republic" is an official English title. -- Zsero (talk) 19:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
If there's no "official" English title then why have one in the article? Just leave the Spanish one. --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 19:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Because it's an English encyclopaedia, so it needs to be translated into English; how it's translated is up to the editors' judgment. -- Zsero (talk) 20:12, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Palestinian territories

Hello Pedro, I was reading: Israeli-occupied territories, Status of territories captured by Israel and Palestinian territories. The articles gives the impression that the Israeli occupation of those territories is ambiguous, and you almost get the idea that they are not occupied. Is this factual? And on the other side we have the explicit title: Occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem by Jordan...

So I have to ask again, what is the criteria to consider a territory occupied? UN resolutions? international low? Imad marie (talk) 08:04, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

We have international consensus that the territories are occupied; USA, EU, UN, Arab League and WP:RS. So, why is WP presenting this case as an issue of dispute and ambiguous? because some pro-Israeli editors do not like it?
I have been reading the articles, and the only sources that object to the term "occupied" and suggest the term "disputed" are Israeli references: [1], [2], [3]. Can we call those references reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy in the context of Palestinian-Israeli conflict? Imad marie (talk) 12:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

As a person who keeps mentioning WP:BRD, you seem to be making far more reverts than talk page contributions. Please stop acting like you're in a WP:BATTLE. JaakobouChalk Talk 12:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Did both of you really think that there wouldn't be consequences for all that edit warring? El_C 13:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I must have gotten a bit carried away... How would you suggest we proceed? Cheers, pedro gonnet - talk - 11.04.2008 13:28
Don't revert more than once per 24 hours, both of you. El_C 14:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Roger. pedro gonnet - talk - 11.04.2008 14:17

Note: Your recent source related activity is highly questionable. I suggest you give a long hard look at WP:NPOV and WP:DISRUPT. JaakobouChalk Talk 15:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please pursue conflict resolution for the Gilad Shalit dispute

You are currently involved in an edit war at Gilad Shalit. Please remember that such behaviour does not benefit Wikipedia in any way, and in fact you may be blocked for it (especially, but not always, if you have made four or more reverts in 24 hours).

Therefore, please remember: if you are having a dispute with somebody over an article, you must follow the dispute resolution process - that is, discuss your differences with the other parties. Sometimes, that is all it takes: leave a message on their talk page, and come to an agreement civilly and peacefully. Once again, bear in mind that revert warring is not acceptable and you may be blocked for it: you should consider this a final warning on the matter. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Kind regards,
Anthøny 11:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gilad Shalit mediation: please indicate dis/agreement

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Gilad Shalit, and indicate whether you agree or disagree to mediation. If you are unfamiliar with mediation on Wikipedia, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. Please note there is a seven-day time limit on all parties responding to the request with their agreement or disagreement to mediation. Thanks, Anthøny 14:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Addendum: I'd strongly encourage you to agree; this dispute needs put to bed. The choice is, of course, yours. Anthøny 14:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Request for mediation accepted

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[edit] You guys owe me

Where would you be after all without my guidance and leadership? Sorry, but that just made my Sunday morning! --Nickhh (talk) 11:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your new signature

Friendly suggestion: please compare it to the established signature of the prolific User:Pedro. They're similar enough to have me do a double take, in light of your user name. But that might just be me! Thanks, Darkspots (talk) 18:53, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] An idea worth trying?

Hi, here's a thought that might do some good. Today I was chatting with an editor from Serbia. Mentioned the Serbian-Croatian ethnic disputes on en:Wiki and he surprised me by telling me the Serbian and Croatian Wikipedias actually get along pretty well. Basically what happened was some guys packed into a car, drove to Zagreb, and shook some hands. Then some other guys packed into another car, drove to Belgrade, and shook some hands. Once they saw that they were all pretty normal people, things calmed down a lot.

Maybe there's a way we can replicate that. Would you be willing to try a voice chat on Skype? I've noticed that when Wikipedia editors get into a conference call, with voices instead of just text, it's easier to find common ground. Wishing you well, DurovaCharge! 06:33, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Benjamin Franklin

Pedrito, just by serendipity I noted a few minutes ago that Uri Avnery attributes that same quote to Albert Einstein (sounds more like him, but I haven't done a netcheck) Uri Avnery, 'The Military Option', Counterpunch, April 29, 2008 Whatever, regards Nishidani (talk) 17:59, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AE thread

I have closed Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#Eleland issues persist. Please read the closing note. If you have any questions or if there any problems, please feel free to drop a line on my talk page or send me an email. Vassyana (talk) 02:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Exodus

So where does it belong? Kaisershatner (talk) 14:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Kaisershatner,
As the Jewish exodus from Arab lands appears to be a reaction to the Palestinian exodus, I would recommend adding it to the section 1948 Palestinian exodus#Results of the Exodus. You could build a sub-section using material from Jewish exodus from Arab lands which link to the Palestinian exodus.
Cheers and thanks, pedrito - talk - 16.05.2008 14:29

[edit] Mediation

I have agreed to mediate the discussion in the Gilad Shalit case, if accepted by the participants. I have experience mediating in the world outside Wikipedia and have completed the Dispute Resolution Program at the Justice Institute of British Columbia, Canada. I have been a Wikipedia contributor since 2003 and have informally mediated several cases, including one for MedCab (which was concluded successfully). I have applied to join the Mediation Committee. As a mediator, my role would be to facilitate discussion. My approach would include the following:

  • Listen to all participants
  • Help formulate an agenda
  • Identify common interests
  • Identify pertinent facts/policies/research that would assist participants in forming agreement
  • Facilitate an agreement and action plan.

As a non-member of Medcom, the convention is for participants to approve the mediator. Please indicate your response here. Sunray (talk) 22:19, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your vote of confidence in the process in the RfM for Gilad Shalit.
I suggest that we start with an opening statement from each of the participants on the RfM talk page. I've also suggested a few groundrules there. If at any time you wish to contact me privately via e-mail, please feel free to do so here. Best wishes. Sunray (talk) 22:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
You mentioned you would be back on Tuesday (just past). We need to get the discussion going. Would you be willing to join in now? Sunray (talk) 19:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gaza

I was sent to the article per suggestion of someone on IRC. You're removing sourced info, and it doesn't look like original research to me; I don't see where it's repeated in the article. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 15:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Courtesy notice

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#Pedrito's interest in Jaakobu -- Avi (talk) 12:27, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Pedro, I've place a comment on the AE noticeboard which you may wish to respond to.
With respect, JaakobouChalk Talk 10:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)