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Images of historical strips

What about asking United Media if we can use some PNG to decorate this page and illustrate the character's page?

Or if not, maybe a more attractive cover, for an actual Peanuts compelation, like the Fantagraphics editions? --Misterwindupbird 10:26, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If we're going to use covers, I'd suggest using ones from the better known collections. The Fantagraphics covers are drawn by Seth, not Schulz, and thus are not a good representation of Schulz's characters. --JRT 12:18, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think that strips are more representative of the Schulz's work more than the simple covers. What kind of permissions we have to receive in order to be able to show some strips? Who should we ask? GioeleBarabucci 00:00, 2005 Jun 21 (UTC)
My grandfather has a hand drawn Peanuts strip that was made for his brother by Charles Schulz. I may be able to post that one, because it was independently drawn and not owned by the United Feature Syndicate. --R.H._Jesus_Freak40 22:34, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


There is a published book called the Complete List of Peanuts Birthdates and Information (it's not on the Internet yet). And the list has some weird facts: It says that Charlie Brown's name is "John". It is believed, but Users like Wahkeena and Birdhombre don't think so. ... But I think it's real!! Also: where do the Peanuts kids live? The book says nearby Arlington, VA, bit I'm unsure... help. - Janet_6 (To read my User entry, click the "discussion" tab... thanks)

Huh? Somehow I doubt both of those...according to speculation, you could "prove" that the setting for Peanuts is either Minnesota (Lucy is "Miss Fussbudget of Hennepin County" - Hennepin County = St. Paul, MN) or California (they always turn up in Needles, and Snoopy's Beagle Scouts hike to Point Lobos). But VA? And "John"? I think I begin to smell a rat... - Aerobird 17:24, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Please see Derrick Bang's excellent Peanuts FAQ [1] for information about this kind of question. In short, if it didn't appear in a "Peanuts" comic strip, it's not canonical. I have not heard of this book. When was it published? Who wrote it?Rockhopper10r 04:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
It has all the earmarks of an elaborate practical joke. Wahkeenah 04:30, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Featured article

Calvin and Hobbes was recently a featured article on the main page, and I was very impressed. Surely Peanuts deserves equal or better treatment! I'm already involved in another project to bring an article (Seattle) up to featured article status, so I could only help out here a little bit, I'm afraid. --Lukobe 21:13, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I am thinking about redoing the article. You're right, there's a LOT that can be covered and we should consider making it at least as robust as the C&H article--JohnRTroy 21:53, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The Complete Peanuts:

Hello. Has anyone an idea when the next volume of the The Complete Peanuts: series will come out? And how many years will pass before all the volumes are published?

According to http://www.fantagraphics.com/peanuts/peanuts.html, Volume 2 comes out this October. There will be two volumes each year, covering two years each. Since Peanuts ran for about 50 years, the last volume should come out sometime in 2016? --Lukobe 05:32, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The Complete Peanuts: volume 2

Has anyone any idea when the Volume 2 will be shipped to Europe ? I have made a order for the Volume but the store cant tell me when the comic wil arrive... please help me, I cant hardly wiat.

The Volume just arrived (just on time for christmas, oef). Imagine, two (2) months does it take to go from the US to Europe. I think I will conside a express shipment next time.

  • Try ordering an American version from www.amazon.com.

Adults?

Somebody should add that in the movies & TV things that you can never understand what the adults are saying. It always sounds like "Wah-wah wah wahwah." and things like that.

In the comics, I think you never see an adult person in character, and never see them actually saying something. You just see the children responding to adults supposedly saying something to them.
There's a very early one where you "hear" Charlie Brown being called to dinner by his mother. But since that time, I think the most extreme is that the peanuts sometimes repeat a question they are asked, before answering it. Aliter 14:03, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
It is true that adults never appeared in the strip; Schulz said this is why they never appeared in the TV shows. Paul Klenk 13:51, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
There is a Sunday strip where Lucy is golfing and adults DO appear as part of the crowd. And there were adults in a few cartoons/movies that were more than just the "wah-wah wah" (but I don't remember now if that was a trumpet or trombone). The posthumous Pied Piper TV special featured adults, and so did Bon Voyage Charlie Brown. --JohnDBuell | Talk 23:14, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Trombone. --JohnDBuell | Talk 17:56, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
1953 - the infamous "golf tornament" incident. --Wack'd About Wiki 16:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Birds

As far as I know, we didn't see the birds of the early sixties speak at all. They moved their wings asif talking with their hands, and at best you'd read "gripe gripe gripe gripe". Later, young birds would sometimes go "squeek"or "phew". But in one story line in the late sixties Snoopy had a young bird as a secretary, that showed most characteristics of Woodstock. As a secretary, it spoke in punctuation. It only spoke in something like three images, though. Aliter 14:03, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I just completed a month of reading all the archived strips at comics.com--I have a membership. Birds spoke with hash marks and punctuation as early as 1962, if not earlier. The birds were present a lot in the 1960's--they evolved from being penguin like and heavy beaked to the typical "Woodstock" type bird. (JRT)

You're right, I think. I knew there were quite a bit of birds in Peanuts in the sixties, but now I did find some earlier birds speaking. The heavier build birds, I'd say were grown-ups, while the Woodstock-types are chicks. There's a 1963 story-line, I think, with a pair of hash-mark-speaking birds building a nest on the dog-house, where you can see the difference, though like all characters they've evolved. Then again: when those(?) birds are first introduced, they are in love, and the only thing said is a ♥-character (heart). Is that text of punctuation? Aliter 10:58, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Maybe emanata. 81.232.72.53 18:28, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Has anyone noticed how much more realistically drawn the birds in Peanuts are in the fifties than in the sixties and especially after Woodstock's entry? - 31 May 2006 (Voice from Finland)

Snoopy in MetLife commercials

Does any know when did MetLife begin to use Snoopy in its commercials?

External link

Can someone check the external link I just reverted and re-add it if it is legit? I can't access it due to some filtering software. It was in the middle of a bunch of linkspam added by a user. Thanks - Taxman 20:47, May 11, 2005 (UTC)

Taxman is talking of this revision. I checked the link and it seems fine. -- GioeleBarabucci 00:05, 2005 Jun 21 (UTC)

Characters Section

Do we need to keep the Peanuts#Peanuts characters section? There's already a Peanuts characters category, and a much better description in Peanuts#Cast. And despite the line about being for major characters, it lists characters like Roy (Peanuts), who is described as minor in the character's article. The only thing it seems to add is (possibly) the chronology of first appearances, but if this is reason to keep it, I'd strongly argue that dates of first appearance should be added. --Misterwindupbird 03:42, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Since nobody has stepped up to defend the section, I'm removing it and replacing it with a link to Category:Peanuts characters. --Misterwindupbird 18:16, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Permission info / The first Peanuts strip

There is information on how to get permission from United Media here:

http://www.snoopy.com/comics/peanuts/info/reprint_info.html

One strip we definitely need on this page is the very first Peanuts strip. It truly is a classic, and it sets the whole tone of the strip for years. Until I find it, I'll describe it the best I can:

Two girls (Violet and Patty, I think) are sitting at the curb. Charlie can be seen approaching in the background. "There's Charlie Brown," they say. "Charlie Brown." "Yep, good ol' Charlie Brown."

Then, after Charlie disappears from view again, one of them says, "Charlie Brown. How I hate him!"

There's something astonishly acerbic and vitriolic about this, yet funny and very true to human nature. It is a great example of how far ahead of his time Charles Schulz was.

Paul Klenk 14:04, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Here is a picture of the first strip. Qutezuce 00:40, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
It's Patty and Shermy. Violet won't appear until 1951, where as this strip is from October 1950.

What other characters call Charlie Brown

The article is correct to say that most of the characters call Charlie Brown by his full name all the time, except for Peppermint Patty ("Chuck"), Marcie and Eudora ("Charles"), and Peggy Jean ("Brownie Charles") ... but what about Sally? Doesn't she usually address Charlie Brown as "big brother", or am I misremembering? --Metropolitan90 02:53, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

I think you're right -- Google it and see what comes up. How about "that round-headed kid"?! (How I hate him!) paul klenk 03:00, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
It turns out that information ("big brother") is already in the Charlie Brown article, and has been for months. --Metropolitan90 04:27, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
Snoopy always refers to Charlie Brown as "that round-headed kid"...I'mm not sure he ever refers to him by name. - Aerobird 17:27, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Santa Rosa

Schulz surely did NOT work in Santa Rosa for fifty years, as claimed in the introduction. He was living and working in Sebastopol at the time A Charlie Brown Christmas was made (mid-1960s) and I think he moved to Santa Rosa in the late 1960s. There was also a very brief time that he lived in Colorado, the famous nursery wall, now housed at the CMS Museum, comes from his home there! --JohnDBuell | Talk 23:18, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Bio information corrected both here and in the Charles M. Schulz page. --JohnDBuell | Talk 17:58, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Alex Elementary School (Comerica City)

Does anyone have any idea what this is? Or what Comerica City is? See also the contributions of User:Gerald15 [2]. Thanks. Kappa 19:10, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Only that user knows what it is. I know it's bogus, though, because there is no such reference in A Charlie Brown Christmas, despite that guy's assertions. I see the article is already marked for deletion. Long may it vanish. Wahkeenah 19:16, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I also suspect, though cannot definitively prove, that User:Gerald15 is a sockpuppet for User:Janet6. Their pages appeared within hours of each other, and they have both put weird and untrue stuff into the various "Peanuts" articles. Wahkeenah 19:24, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
    • Sorry, Wahkeenah, but I do not have any sockpuppets nor do I know what a sockpuppet is or who the heck User:Gerald15 is. The reason he's posting articles hours after mine is a coincidence, and I wouldn't use a sockpuppet anyway if I knew what a sockpuppet was -- I would use my real username. And what is Comerica City? Anyway, I do have a new Peanuts page that is BASED ON SOLID EVIDENCE. Janet6 15:29, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Relative ages of the Peanuts characters

The Peanuts Collector's Club FAQ has a discussion of the relative ages of the Peanuts gang; it's very informative but I can't say I agree with all of their conclusions. For instance, they place Charlie Brown and Lucy, and Schroeder as about the same age, but in the early strips Lucy is cleary younger than Charlie Brown and Schroeder, younger still.

Now throwing out the "temporal anomalies" causing "differential aging" in the Peanuts universe, here's what my best guess would be for "real life" age brackets, each about half-a-year younger than the previous:

Violet, Shermy, Patty
Charlie Brown
Lucy, Schroeder, Frieda
Peppermint Patty, Pigpen, Marcie, Franklin, Roy
Linus, Lydia
Sally, Eudora
Rerun

Violet is usually shown as being taller than Lucy, and Patty appears to be older than Charlie Brown in early strips. However Violet is in the same class as Charlie Brown.

Linus is apparently bumped ahead a grade, as he sits in front of Charlie Brown in class.

Marcie, in her first appearances (if you disclount Clara), appears slightly younger than Peppermint Patty. - Aerobird 17:47, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

First, I realised as I was logging off earlier that there was a major booboo in my earlier list: Franklin sits in front of Peppermint Patty, so he must be about the same age; also Rerun is considerably younger than Eudora. Those are now fixed.
And now, for some further thoughts on the mess that is Peanuts aging, or What Makes Continuity-Freaks Like Me Pull Our Hair Out:
Sally's age: Sally is enough younger than Charlie Brown that he was able to hand out chocolate cigars (imagine the reaction that would have gotten in today's PC world!) to celebrate her birth. Linus is, roughly, one year younger than Charlie Brown is. BUT Sally and Linus are close enough in age for her to consider him "my sweet babboo" (and Eudora, roughly the same age as Sally, addresses his valentine as "the cutest of the cute"). We'll disregard Linus' stating once that he's "five years older" than Sally before my headache turns into a migrane...
Rerun's age: In "final form", Rerun looks to be about two years younger than Linus = 3 younger than Lucy. But Lucy crabbed about getting a "rerun" younger brother, which gave Linus the idea for his nickname. (Oh, my aching head!)
Linus' class: The thorniest problemo. For most of the strip, Linus is seated in front of Charlie Brown (usually explained by fans as Linus having been bumped ahead a grade). BUT later...Lydia (who Linus has a crush on, and who claims he's "too old for me" - despite the age difference being only about two months) is sitting behind Linus with Charlie Brown nowhere in sight. Possible explanations are: (a) Linus got dropped back a grade, (b) Charlie Brown got dropped back a grade, (c) Lydia was also bumped forwards a grade prompting a game of "musical desks", or (d) Charlie Brown got bumped forwards a grade in addition to (c). However none of the above seem sustainable from the strip ( (c) being the most likely to "not need explaning"), also if (c) or (d) are the case either Charlie Brown's school is generous or Peppermint Patty's is stingy, as Marcie - usually considered the academically brightest of the Peanuts gang - is still seated behind the Queen of the D-Minus...
- Aerobird, head exploding like Tom Servo's, 15:26 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Isn't there one strip in which Sally explicitly claims that Linus is 4 years older than her?
-I agree, four years don't seem much now, but it will when we're older.
-Oh, my god! When he's 84, I will only be 80!
From the 60's, I think...
惑乱 分からん 13:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
True, but it would appear that the "accellerated aging effects" hadn't stopped by then. - Aerobird 17:48, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

The Stupid Cat Next Door

Was the name of the Stupid Cat Next Door World War II, or World War III? - Aerobird 03:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

All I know is that Frieda had a cat named Faron. JaredW! 11:52, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Faron was the "boneless cat"; the Stupid Cat Who Lives Next Door was the one who kept slashing Snoopy's doghouse. - Aerobird 15:20, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

It is World War II [3] Rockhopper10r 19:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

The memory still haunts a retired pilot, huh?... 惑乱 分からん 13:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Birthdates

I merged thi birthdates section. this is the talk page.

History section

Someone had removed the "History" section, which I was going to revert when I realised why it had been changed: The article was getting too long. I moved it to History of Peanuts, leaving the basics of its history in this article. Rockhopper10r 16:20, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Currency Among Young People

Despite its historical significance, Peanuts is not looked positively upon most members of the younger generation (admittedly hard to document) largely as a result of the crappiness of the later strips and reruns which are all we've seen in our lives, and being force-fed numerous holiday specials over the years. I've read old Peanuts, and they're great, but what's in papers now is symbolic of the trash that modern newspaper comics have become (although not as much so as Family Circus). Is there a way to document this modern distaste for the comics in an NPOV fashion. I admit I'm biased, but I'm far from the only person who feels this way.

I don't believe it's necessary to mention that at all. It sounds like this is your opinion--and that of many other people I'm sure--which is a valid opinion and one everyone should respect, but it does not belong in an encyclopedia article. I'm sure there are many other younger people who are very fond of "Peanuts", but that doesn't belong here either.Rockhopper10r 02:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Marcie vs Honey

"Marcie resembles, and acts like, a younger version of Doonesbury's Honey Huan."? Marcie got there first. If anything, Honey resembles an older version of Marcie.

Proposed merge of Romantic relationships in Peanuts

Another editor has flagged Romantic relationships in Peanuts for merger into this article. I could not agree more. The "sub-article" really doesn't add much to this and is somewhat conjecture. In fact, I don't think it adds much more than what is already in this article. Whatever scintilla of information in the other article that can be salvaged should be moved here; otherwise, the other article is ripe for an AfD nomination. Agent 86 20:59, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Peanuts Debut Date Error?

I got an email from Fastweb [Fastweb.com], today (They organize and find scholarships for students, as well as weekly/monthly quizes to win cash (Which help promote thier sponsers, who help run the site) ), and the email was about an "Oktoberfest" Quiz,

On this quiz, The question was: What year did Peanuts Debut?

Fastweb listed the date as Oct.2, 1950, whereas this Wiki entry lists it as one year earlier, 1949.

From the Site: "Peanuts appeared in seven newspapers on October 2nd, 1950. The original title for the comic strip was Lil' Folks, but the name was changed to Peanuts before its debut. Charles Schultz never liked the new name. "

Now, is it just a case of Technicality or did the Wiki Article not elaborate enough? Or did they/the Wiki not count the earlier "Lil' Folk" run as part of Peanuts?

Just a small curicosity that came up.

Shinra 00:37, 28 September 2006 (UTC) Shinra

It's 1950. I've changed it from 1949 in the article. --Lukobe 01:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Plagiarism?

The site http://www.snoopy.com/comics/peanuts/news/news_101303.html contains a paragraph that seems to be an exact replica of the third paragraph of the "Legacy, Influence, and Critical Acclaim" section of the Peanuts article. I don't know which one was written first, but I think that someone should change the wording of the paragraph anyway. In fact, I'll change it right now, but I still think that you should all be aware of it. Steveo2 11:07, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Further investigation has revealed that Jalabi99 added the paragraph after it appeared in Snoopy.com. Just in case anybody really cares. Steveo2 19:40, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Kite Man edit

64.131.196.248 05:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)I've deleted the comic book factoid again. Unless someone can explain how the secret identity of a Bat-villain in any way reflects the comic strip's "legacy, influence, and/or critical acclaim," Kite Man has nothing to do with this page. Charles Brown is also a significant figure in early R&B history, and he's not here either.

The character's name is a reference to Charlie Brown. What do you need to have explained? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 07:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

64.131.197.251 10:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)Just this. Is Kite-Man evidence of the strip's legacy? Or its influence? What evidence is there that Kite-Man AKA Charles Brown in any way refers to "Peanuts"? Kite-Man used a hang glider, not a kite... something that Charlie Brown never did. It's a coincidence at best, and not a strong one. Is Clayface a tribute to Pig-Pen?