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[edit] "Staff"

Just because someone has appeared on a program does not make them "staff" [1]. The other alleged staff members are not cited at all. Additionally, I'm not clear that most are notable enough to warrant mention (and certainly not in an unencyclopedic list.)Proabivouac 21:51, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Since you are so keen to help me improve this article, the staff are all mostly on the staff of IRF and Peace TV, but it will take time for me to find which source that is in (feel free to look yourself). Any person listed there that are not directly employed are merely Presenters, and will be moved into the section "Programmes". All I ask is that you assume good faith, or get in and help. John Vandenberg 22:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Programmes

This list of programs is uncited, and expressly discouraged by WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a directory.Proabivouac 21:53, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, while I havent used inline citations for every programme, the table is not OR; the details of programmes is compiled either from the citations already on the article, or from sources I neglected to mention. Please feel free to add {{cn}} on any programme, and I will be happy to find and add the ref.
Regarding NOT, I do not agree with your interpretation of NOTDIR. The table is a synthesis of information that can be used to gain a better understanding of what material is broadcast on Peace TV. It does not provide a "TV Guide"; it is a list of programmes -- what is missing is times and topics. You are free to disagree, but that does not give you the right to repeatedly remove the content while I am developing the article. John Vandenberg 22:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

  • Articles in OhmyNews are posted by random volunteer contributors, and (like Wikipedia articles) are not valid sources, and do not establish notability.[2]
  • Religious partisan sources such as "The True Call" are not reliable, and do not establish notability.[3]
  • Arab News is at least notable, but the (remarkably POV) article is about Israr Ahmed, and only mentions PeaceTV in passing.
  • I'd never heard of the Saudi Gazette, but the tone of the article is hardly encouraging.Proabivouac 22:05, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
OhmyNews and "The True Call" is not being used to establish notability; if you think it fails our notability criteria, please raise an Afd, otherwise leave that argument alone.
The Arab News ref, as with all of the others, is only used to attribute a fact to another source. Where is the problem with this?
wrt Saudi Gazette, please do not disparage things you have not researched. I even did the research for you and created an article so all you had to do was click on the link; its a daily paper that has been in existence for 30 years. John Vandenberg 22:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Jayvdb, you just now created Saudi Gazette using one very dubious source which says nothing about the paper or its notability. Shall you now create International Ulama Conference on Population and Development in order to shore up Saudi Gazette?Proabivouac 03:31, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, guilty as charged. I create articles. I also created Al-Watan (Kuwait) and Al-Watan (Jordan). I have been meaning to write an article about Saudi Gazette for a while; it has been a redlink on List of Arab newspapers (and its earlier incarnation that I cant find) since early 2006. Saudi Gazette is a notable reliable source. If you dont believe me, nominate it for deletion.
If I think International Ulama Conference on Population and Development is notable, I will create an article about. Please stop being so quarrelsome.
John Vandenberg 03:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links

The anti-Islam website "Answering Islam" is spam, and is accompanied by a misleading title, as I'd pointed out in this edit summary.[4]Proabivouac 22:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I did not add it; your removal also removed categories; I have now removed the offending link. John Vandenberg 22:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)