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[edit] Notes (unsigned)
1/13/05 Created this page because it seemed that the venerable P Coat had no entry. Would like to add a non-copyrighted photo of my own, but don't know how, being a Wiki Newbie and all.
Any suggestions are welcome!
7/7/05 finally boned up on some Wiki-stuff and learned how to include that photo I talked about in the initial write-up.
[edit] Move from P coat to peacoat?
P coat is nonstandard spelling of the term, most commonly given as peacoat, where there is already a separate (though insubstantial) article. I suggest that this article be moved to peacoat with redirects from all of the following:
- pea coat
- peajacket
- pea jacket
Furthermore, I am not convinced that p coat spelling is ever used. Can you point to one or more instances of this spelling in noteworthy literature or nonfiction?
Epl 06:08, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Doubts on etymologic accuracy
According to both Merriam Webster's Dictionary and Dressing the Man by Alan Flusser, the word peacoat derives from the Dutch word pij, which describes the coarse wool cloth from which these jackets were constructed
Epl 06:08, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] This article is US-centric
Peacoats were widely used in European navies before the 20th century. This article should address this, or at least not imply that the peacoat is an American invention.
Epl 06:08, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] P Coat vs Pea Coat
With regards to the etymology dispute, this website refers to the coat as a "P Coat" in its item description.
http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/categoryDetail.cfm?catagory=29&start=26
- Etymology is the question of the word's origin, not the word itself. Concerning the word itself, "p coat" vs. "peacoat", both terms may be used, but I have found that "peacoat" is the overwhelmingly more common in general use, even if "p coat" is preferred in certain circles, such as the US military. For this reason, I suggest placing the article under "Peacoat" and setting "P coat" as a redirection. By the way, don't forget to sign your name with ~~~~. --Epl 05:45, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
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- I agree this article should be moved to either "Pea coat" or "Peacoat" with redirects as appropriate. Searches on Google produce the following results:
- "P coat" - 85,000;
- "Peacoat" - 989,000;
- "Pea coat" - 1,150,000;
- "Peajacket" - 899;
- "Pea jacket" - 63,000.
- Additionally, the American Heritage Dictionary prefers "Pea jacket" with "Pea coat" as an alternative; Random House prefers "Pea coat" with "Peacoat" as an alternative, and explains that "Pea jacket" was the original form. The U.S. Navy website has three (related) instances of "Peacoat" and none of any other form. Crebbin 15:11, 15 January 2006 (UTC).
- I agree this article should be moved to either "Pea coat" or "Peacoat" with redirects as appropriate. Searches on Google produce the following results:
[edit] Argument Foundation
I'm not quite sure why it was necessarry to dispute the article (Pea Coat), per se. In the article, there is reference to "Pea (presumably an extended, phonetic spelling, as was common in the first half of the twentieth century with colloquialisms)," deriving from the common term for the fabric, "Pilot..." I don't see that being in direct contrast to "pij" being the origin of the term. Rather than replacing the article, why not add to it? Also, what European influences do you feel were inherent in the history of the "P," "Pea," or "peacoat?" I think that would also be a valuable addition. Combating an article for the sake of combating an article is certainly no means to promote education and open-mindedness. Wouldn't it be a much better resource if it included all of this information, as opposed to one of the many?
- An article should in principle have the most appropriate name, which will usually be the most commonly used one. "P coat" is much less widely used than either "Pea coat" or "Peacoat". One of these should be used as the title, with "P Coat" perhaps cited as an alternative. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions - "Use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things". Crebbin 15:31, 15 January 2006 (UTC).
[edit] While you're splitting hairs about.........
what to call the garment you lost the beautiful sentiment of the article. The article wasn't meant to be a history lesson on the garment. You miss the whole point. Oh well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.83.247.7 (talk • contribs) 23:21, 25 January 2006.
- It's an encyclopedia article, it's not meant to have "beautiful sentiment". Anyway, things seem pretty stable around here so I'm removing the disputed tag. FiggyBee 00:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wool weight?
What weight of wool are we talking about? "Heavy wool" must mean something over 20 ounces, but can we be more exact? I suspect it's more than 25 ounces, but I don't have any sources for that.
