Talk:Peć District
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So it's propaganda by default, thanks :) - user
[edit] Rewriting History
Look Mig (and other Albanians), I'm not up to revert wars with you on Kosovo articles. Our two nations are hostile towards each other, but unless we reach some sort of deal here on Wikipedia, the articles will keep on bouncing back and forth between two extremist positions, and the one with bigger number will prevail. It's not my goal. And you guys (I mean Kosovar editors, who started appearing in past few months) weren't off to a good start by jumping straight into revert wars and assuming bad faith on all Serbian editors, even the ones who have been openly constructive towards everybody here, like User:HolyRomanEmperor.
That being said, personally, I don't have too strong opinions about Kosovo independence and naming of Kosovo places on Wikipedia, as long as you guys don't try to rewrite the history.
Now, about the article. Even if there were an Illyrian church on that place, all other buildings in the large complex were built subsequently by Serbian church from late 13th century onwards [1]. And it's first mentioned in 1302, in Serbian church documents. And if the Illyrian church were there before, it couldn't be associated with "Albanian catholics of VII century" as the Great schism took place in 1102. And that couldn't possibly have been a "Patrikana e Pejës" because the only Patriarchs sitting there were Serbian ones. Whatever it pre-history was, you can't deny it was a holy place of Serbian church for ages.
Note also that this article was originally written about now defunct Pećki okrug. I don't know what is the current Kosovo administrative division, but it probably does not correspond the old Serbian one.
Hoping for a truce between our peoples, Duja 18:57, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Peja is not a district in Serbia. Is district in Kosovo. Wat you are playing her with so many user acocunts--172.180.222.21 01:25, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
So now you deleted the whole part with churches. Because they were true or what was your problem with it?
- Because they don't belong to this article anyway. It's an article about the administrative division. They belong to Patriarchate of Peć if anywhere, but that article is a sub-stub.Duja 15:32, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I don’t want to argue with you, because your facts are really weak. I guess the truth heard, and that is why you deleted the mostly part of it. I mean, until I came, you didn’t had any problem with it, and now you find it better to remove everything that tries to explain the historical facts. You are trying to tell me, that your position was not extreme? Just because I don’t agree with Serbian propaganda, I am an extremist?!
- Why do you accuse me of extremism and Serbian propaganda now? Duja 15:32, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Just because I know the history of Peja doesn’t mean I am Albanian. Historical facts have nothing to do with nationality or borders. They are facts! I think you are the one who is trying here to rewrite the history. I would propose: visit ones this district and also the Patrikana of Peja. It’s really beautiful. Don’t try to use these things for Serbian propaganda.
- I don't f***ing care about Serbian propaganda. I'm allergic on everyone's propaganda, Serbian included. As for the facts, if we cannot agree, there's a nice policy called WP:CITE which says that disputed statements must be backed up by relevant sources; if sources collide, cite'em both and let readers decide for objectivity and relevance. I didn't add anything disputable to this article – you did. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a user forum. Duja 15:32, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I didn’t deny that it was a part of Serbian church for 200 hundred years. I agree absolutely with it and I didn’t change this part, just look at the history of the article! But before that, it was a part of Illyrian and Albanian holy church. And you should also agree with it. It would be fair. Your sources are not neutral ones. Every coin has two sides, I that is just one point of view. Patrikana e Pejës is one of the original names. It is the Albanian name for it. The Serbian one is Pecka Patrijarsija.
And maybe you don’t know this fact, but there were Albanian people and Albanian soldiers who protected the Patrikana from Ottoman Empire, although at that time it was a Serbian church. That means for Albanian people at that time it was not important to whom it belongs at that moment. --Mig11 08:53, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Look, this article was on my watchlist totally accidentally... I think I fixed some link in it in the past. The fact is, I don't care. Kosovo is not my area of expertise, and I've never been there, and I don't plan to, thanks for invitation. I am not saying that there weren't an Illyrian church there, and that Albanians didn't protect it... I don't know. But your edit made a statement that Serbs occupied the area and stole the church from Illyrians. Let me remind you on WP:CITE – if it's true, please find the relevant and independent historical sources to back up that claim; otherwise, it will be just a popular hearsay. I removed the info altoghether because a) it doesn't belong here anyway b) I'm not interested in quarelling. Again, I don't know what happened there in 13th century nor do I care too much. Duja 15:32, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
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- If this article doesn’t interest you, why are you so mad?? You took my answer and you divided it in many parts!!! That shows how much respect you have for other users here. You don’t have to use words like f***ing! Next time write your answers together under my text, and do not change the meaning of my answer!! And yes, I do think that this article was a Serbian propaganda, before I edit it. And until I edit it, you didn’t have any problem with it. You are not fooling here anyone. And if you don’t know anything about the facts and history, if you, as you are claiming, don’t care, than frankly what are you doing here, why are you editing and reverting it?
- You did revert this article at least 3 times today!!! You know what that means don’t you?? You should be banned from Wikipedia. You don’t show respect for other points of view. Now the article can be excepted as it is. This article is not your private page, everyone can edit, not just you. This is a free encyclopaedia, read the rules!--Mig11 16:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- 1) I'm not mad, but I might become if you continue to be offensive. The f-word was not related to you in any sense, and I don't see why you're pulling it.
- 2) If you never saw it, it's common practice on e-mail and Usenet to intersperse the comments so that it's clear to which point you reply. I didn't change meanings of your answers, as I didn't touch any word of yours.
- 3) I didn't have any problem with it before, because I never actually read it. When I saw your edit, I payed attention only then.
- 4) Yesterday I reverted your edit, and later I removed the entire passage for the sake of peace, then reverted to that version. I didn't violate 3RR. FYI, the page you should refer to is WP:AN/3RR.
- 5) What do you want to achieve now except to attack me? Quote: "You are not fooling here anyone. You should be banned from Wikipedia. You don’t show respect for other points of view." Where did I attack you or accused you of vandalism? This is not my private page indeed. Neither is yours. Duja
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- But you violated the 3RR. You never read it before I came?? Come on, give me a break! I think the most important thing now, is that the article is free from any propaganda, it is neutral now. I am not attacking here anyone.--Mig11 17:53, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Of course I knew about 3RR, but I made only 2 reverts (to 2 different versions) and one edit though. And, remember, I was the one who started the talk first, so that we can discuss the matter (however harshly) rather than revert-warring the article. My only agenda here is to stop pointless wars and try to reach WP:Consensus. Duja 18:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- But you violated the 3RR. You never read it before I came?? Come on, give me a break! I think the most important thing now, is that the article is free from any propaganda, it is neutral now. I am not attacking here anyone.--Mig11 17:53, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Delet
This articel must be deledet or mergerd in one articel called Districts of Kosovo durin Milosevic time.--Hipi Zhdripi 03:57, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
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- We should not delete this, but keep it as an historical article. We can also write one new article named Districts in Kosovo 1990-1999 where we can mention these 5 districts, but we should also keep these 5 articles and put them into "History of Kosovo" and "Serbian history" categories, since they in fact do not exist any more after 1999. PANONIAN (talk) 09:12, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- I'm confused, why is the discussion page for Peć District the same as the one for District of Peja/Peć? Talltim 15:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
- We should not delete this, but keep it as an historical article. We can also write one new article named Districts in Kosovo 1990-1999 where we can mention these 5 districts, but we should also keep these 5 articles and put them into "History of Kosovo" and "Serbian history" categories, since they in fact do not exist any more after 1999. PANONIAN (talk) 09:12, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
