User talk:Pcirrus

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[edit] Wikicrats

A tag has been placed on Wikicrats, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the article and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Realkyhick 18:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The article on wikicrats was a genuine addition to wikipedia and was not speedy deletion candidate. The article provided context for readers and users of Wikipedia. The term "wikicrats" has a good chance to be used now and in the furture as Wikipedia further matures. Balanced article on this subject would be valuable contribution in Wikipedia or on Mediawiki. By removing it you are contributing to perception presented in the blog http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2007/08/rise_of_the_wik.php and we are opening ourselves to further criticisms as less and less flexible. Cheers.Pcirrus 03:55, 1 September 2007


The term was a neologism which has not gained widespread usage, and is therefore not notable. A redirect to the Nicholas G. Carr article seems plausible enough and I have no objection to that action, but the comments added to that article about my tagging the original for speedy deletion were out of line, and have been removed.Realkyhick 04:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


I am very concerned about your recent actions related to my article wikicrats. To summarize: (1) You speedy deleted an article on which I worked and documented and which was of substantial length, had internal links, and was of genuine interest to broad range of readers. I was not given resonable time to insert hangon tag; (2) After your speedy deletion I posted request on your discussion page to reinstate my entry and you ignored that request; (3) You are also removing relevant facts from the entry about Nicholas G. Carr. Namely, I wrote Ironically, an article on Wikicrats was written on English Wikipedia on August 31 by Pcirrus and immediately a tag has been placed by Realkyhick requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia because: This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Because wikicrats [1] article by N. Carr is about how community regulates itself - what I wrote is encyclopedic and documents reality; (4) I also noticed that you are now claiming that wikicrats was neologism and is not notable. This explanation seems to be at odds with your original reasons for speedy deletion. Here are my request: (a) please reinstate my article about wikicrats. If you feel that it is not suitable for Wikipedia you can AfD this article; (b) I request that my entry begining with Ironically be reinstated by you; (c) if you do not want to do so on your own please tell me how this can be discussed in such a maner as to avoid editing wars between us. Pcirrus 17:04, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


Your Wikicrats article was not deleted; it was redirected. You can reinstate it if you wish, as it does not require an admin to do so, but it will still be nominated for deletion, likely by AfD. Your addition of the comments about me in the article were not encyclopedic, but a personal point of view and therefore have no place in that or any other mainspace article. (By the way, I am not an admin.) Realkyhick 17:56, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

In your entry on my discussion page you mention: Your Wikicrats article was not deleted; it was redirected. You can reinstate it if you wish, as it does not require an admin to do so, but it will still be nominated for deletion, likely by AfD. First of all you deleted this article and somebody else redirected it. I am not overly familiar with the process of reinstating it; also I feel that you are deleting my work and, therefore, you have some responsibility to correct your actions?! Your second point is probably not well taken. Why are you so sure that such article should be nominated for deletion? I think it is a good stub, it is not original research, and it is serves a purpose of illustrating opennes on Wikipedia. You also write that Your addition of the comments about me in the article were not encyclopedic, but a personal point of view and therefore have no place in that or any other mainspace article.' I cleary wrote comment about both of us and I did not singled you out. My entry was not personal. It am simply documenting facts which are relevant to this article [2] which is about deletionism on wikipedia. I do not want to go to edit wars with you and I request again that you remove your deletions. Otherwise I will ask admin to help with this case. Pcirrus 19:24, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I have absolutely no intention of reinstating the content of your article, as I do not feel it has a place at Wikipedia in the first place. It is a neologism, a word or phrase made up recently which has not attained widespread usage. The mere creation of this phrase by Carr does not make it notable, even if it is about Wikipedia itself. It is not my responsibility to recreate an article which I strongly feel is not notable and does not merit inclusion. Again, the article was not deleted, it was changed to a redirect to the Carr article, which means that someone who enters "Wikicrats" into the search box will be redirected to the Carr article instead. This can be undone by any user, but I will leave that to you to find out how; it won't take much work on your part to find it, but I feel no need to tell someone how to recreate an article that I believe has not merit on its own. Realkyhick 19:38, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I have personally no objection to the content you added, but I agree with Realkyhick that it would not be acceptable as written, as there was insufficient documentation available to support it as a mainspace article, and will be considered POINT. So I have tried to do the best practical thing, which was to merge the key paragraph into the article on Nicholas G. Carr, with a redirect. I suggest the following additional steps 1/ try to add the term to Wiktionary 2/ Continue to check usage, and if in the future it will truly support an article, make a very strong one and ask at Deletion review.-- but if it is not a really strong one there is no point asking, for it will just make it harder after that. 3/ As Realkyhick hinted, try to work it up first in user space, and then possibly add it to WP space as an essay--it might well be even more useful there. Be aware that there is a deletion process for such essays, but its via MfD, not AfD. Good luck with it. DGG (talk) 23:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change

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[edit] AfD nomination of Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change

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