Talk:Pavlov's House

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Contents 1 logged off 2 Almost got a picture 3 Exaggeration? 4 Dramatization 5 Chuikov comment

[edit] logged off

I got logged off while writing. --Kolt 10:40, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Almost got a picture

As someone requested for picture here, I tried to find a public domain one. I failed, although I was very close. Namely: I found an image in the book published in the USSR in 1975, which is available online. However, the template {{PD-USSR}} is suitable only for images published prior to 1973. :- ( Cmapm 01:17, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Exaggeration?

Each time German infantry or tanks tried to cross the square and to close in on the house, Pavlov's men took them under heavy fire from within the basement, from the windows and from the roof top. Leaving behind a square covered with burnt corpses and steel, the Germans had to retreat again.

Isn't this a bit too melodramatic?

No it's not. Otherwise it would have been just like any other skirmish of the war that is unknown today.

I think the last sentence is a bit melodramatic, and unfitting for this article. Ravage. 8.mai. 2006

[edit] Dramatization

Are these mentions of computer games at all relevant? They could be construed as valid cultural references but look so absurd and unfitting sitting there under history which makes part of one of the most tragic events of the 20th century.

Yes yes I know "gaming IS culture", but can gamers please try for a second not to think about how this event pertains to their wrist reflex training activities but try to imagine the scale of actual real life suffering?

Does 'Saving Private Ryan' bear mention for its depiction of the Omaha landings? It's possible for a game to represent an event just as a movie does; why is an action movie any more appropriate than an action game? It's not just this page that mentions games, they're mentioned alongside movies on the pages of many major battles. I think it is rather inaccurate to imply that gamers are unable to appreciate the gravity of war any more than someone who watches a movie or reads a book on war. In all of these cases isn't it true that the person knows more about the event afterwards than they did before?

sorry my fault - i got the picture wrong and thought it was the mill...sorry.

[edit] Chuikov comment

He said that Germans lost more man than they were lost in the "battle" for Paris (not the liberation). rebuke to the French military command virtually surrender without a fight