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To th IP who states that Shandruk was a Brigad Fuerer : read http://www.galiciadivision.com/lib/shandruk/r25.html

and specially

"ORDER. To the Army and Navy of the Ukrainian National Republic. No. 8. March 15, 1945.

Re: General Staff: Lieutenant-General of (he General Staff Pavlo Shandruk is hereby appointed Commander of the Ukrainian National Army as of March 15, 1945.

(Signed): A. Livytsky, Commander-in-Chief;

(signed) M. Sadovsky, Major General, for the Ministry of Military Affairs; Certified copy of the original:

(signed) A. Nosachenko, Lt.-Col. Seal."

and

"Reichsminister Alfred Rosenberg. Berlin, March 12, 1945.

To: General Pavlo Shandruk, Berlin-Charlottenburg.

In order to make possible the full participation in the decisive phase of the war against Bolshevism, and to introduce the proper order into national relations in Europe, in the name of the German Government I recognize the acting organ of the national representation of Ukraine formed by you as the Ukrainian National Committee. I declare:

(1) The Ukrainian National Committee is the sole representation of the Ukrainian People recognized by the German Government;

(2) The Ukrainian National Committee has the right to represent the interests of the future Ukraine, and to manifest same in Declarations and Manifestoes. After final clarification of the matter of assembling those Ukrainians who are serving in the German Army, I shall make a demand that all Ukrainian units be joined together for the formation of a Ukrainian Liberation Army.

(signed) � ROSENBERG."

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Are you telling me that the so called Ukrainian National Army wasn't a formation in the German Army? Bogdan ^що? 22:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't a Nazi formation and it wasn't in the Wehrmacht though it was certainly within the German military as the "Ukrainian National Army.". I also think the label Nazi is thrown around too lightly - we don't label everyone in the Soviet military a "Communist."Faustian (talk) 22:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Wehrmacht (literally "defense force") was the name of the unified armed forces of Germany from 1935 to 1945. Please point out what is wrong with calling him a Wehrmacht general. Would you like me to be more accurate and call him a Wehrmacht Heer general?

And as for the Nazi part, I was in no way implying his membership in any party. My version of "...later a general of the Nazi German army" was only meant to coincide with our article on Nazi Germany, nothing more. If it bothers you, there's no need to keep it. Bogdan ^що? 02:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

That's fine - I agree that something should be said that he was a general in the Germans' service - it's important of course. The Ukrainian National Army seems to have been different from the regular German army though.Faustian (talk) 04:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

In what way? Bogdan ^що? 21:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)