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Did my contribution of the line "If you want to know why I am the way I am..." line survive the butchering of this article? I might be being dumb but I can't see it and it was a good quote... -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 23:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quick question

Did my contribution of the line "If you want to know why I am the way I am..." line survive the butchering of this article? I might be being dumb but I can't see it and it was a good quote... -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 23:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

No, Elonka removed that. I never knew why, maybe she thought we'd already covered it elsewhere. I also thought it was a good line. Lots of things got removed during that horrid FAC. There was this big fuss about us using tabloids as sources so we had to get rid of loads of those, but the worst part is the awful present tense we were made to put in. It now flits from present to past throughout.Gungadin♦ —Preceding comment was added at 23:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm not remembering the details, can you remind me of the quote and source? --Elonka 00:17, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
It was from this edit [1] Trampikey's referring to the bit that was removed from the bottom, where Pauline attributes her misery to the deaths of those around her. Gungadin♦ 00:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Okay, this one?
Pauline became progressively miserable and stern over the course of the show,[1] and was referred to as "Fowler the growler" by several other characters in the programme.[2] Pauline addressed this during an on-screen conversation with her best friend, Dot, in a June 2004 episode, where she attributed her sombre personality to the deaths of those around her, saying "If you want to know why I am the way I am, look no further than that."[3]
The "Fowler the Growler" bit got moved up higher in the section, but I left off the other part because it felt like it was muddling the in-universe and real-world aspects. To say "Pauline addressed this" seems wrong, since Pauline's a fictional character, it's not up to her to "address" her own character development. Also, do we have a source that shows that the quote is particularly notable? --Elonka 01:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It's not a notable quote, you probably wont find it anywhere other than a repeat of the episode. Trampikey only added it during the first FAC because J.Winklethorpe asked us to include why Pauline became so miserable, and the deaths of her family was the reason why, according to the writers in 2004.--Gungadin 16:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Awesome

Saw this on TFA/R, thought "no, British soaps and FAs don't mix", but actually, I am very impressed. Will (talk) 22:46, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

On behalf of WikiProject EastEnders, thanks for taking the time to read the article and leave a comment, it's greatly appreciated. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 22:55, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What to copy and paste to Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests

<div style="width:55%; background-color:#f5fffa; border:1px solid #cef2e0;padding:1em;padding-top:0.5em; color: black"> <div style="float:left;margin-right:0.9em"> [[Image:Pauline Fowler.jpg|left|150px|Wendy Richard as Pauline Fowler, 2006.]] </div> <div> '''[[Pauline Fowler]]''' ([[Married and maiden names|née]] Beale) is one of the [[fictional character]]s from the [[BBC]] [[soap opera]] ''[[EastEnders]]'', a long-running [[serial drama]] about [[working class]] [[London]]. The character is no longer part of current storylines, but was played by actress [[Wendy Richard]] between 1985 and 2006. Pauline was created by scriptwriter [[Tony Holland]] and producer [[Julia Smith]] as one of ''EastEnders' ''original characters. She made her debut in the soap's first episode on [[19 February]] [[1985]], and remained on-screen for twenty-one years and ten months, making her the second longest-running original character, surpassed only by [[Ian Beale]]. Pauline Fowler's storylines focus on drudgery, money worries and family troubles. The matriarchal stalwart of the fictional London community of [[Albert Square]], she is portrayed as a stoic, opinionated, battle-axe — a family-oriented woman who alienates her kin due to overbearing interference. Pauline's marriage to the downtrodden [[Arthur Fowler|Arthur]] was central to the character for the first eleven years of the programme, culminating with his screen death in 1996. She was used for comedic purposes in scenes with her [[Self-service laundry|launderette]] colleague, [[Dot Branning]], and scriptwriters included many feuds in her narrative, most notably with her daughter-in-law, [[Sonia Fowler|Sonia]], and [[Den Watts]], a family-friend who got her daughter [[Michelle Fowler|Michelle]] pregnant at just 16. A famous episode in 1986, which included Pauline discovering that Den was the father of Michelle's baby, drew over 30 million viewers, and was listed at #36 in ''[[The Times]]' '' 1998 list of "Top 100 cult moments in Film". ('''[[Pauline Fowler|more…]]''') </div> </div> -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 23:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Excluding the image, as it's fair use. anemone│projectors 23:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I assume we're trying for February 19? If so, please post here if you can get it to "stick" on the requests page (which I agree is a current nightmare that reminds me more of an eBay auction than an encyclopedic process). If it's there though, I'll definitely weigh in to support.  :) --Elonka 23:10, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Someone's already requested that date. We got there first but it was removed because there were already five requests on the page. anemone│projectors 23:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
(ec) We're going for March 11, as Fbruary 19 is taken. What are we going to do about an image? -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 23:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
There are no free images, so I guess nothing. anemone│projectors 23:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
We could always sabotage the current 19 feb nomination, by opposing it (just kidding)Gungadin 23:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
i cant believe there's no free images of wendy Richard yet. She's often out and about shopping in London or walking her dogs. I saw her once in High Street Kensington I think, she was smoking a cigarette! Should have got her with my camera phone :) Gungadin 01:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
If there was one, could we use it, even though it wouldn't be Pauline Fowler? anemone│projectors 10:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
They'd use it for the main page, seeing as they cant put fair use on there, but it wouldn't be on the actual page. If they desperately need something, they can always use your sat image of the river thames, the one you took for the ee project icon.Gungadin 17:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

DAMN, March 11 has been taken by Chrono Trigger.Gungadin 21:33, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

For what it's worth, there are a lot of complaints at the FAR talkpage about the way that articles are being chosen. This "first come, first served" system is relatively new, and obviously not very effective, but it's all we've got to deal with at the moment. The central problem, is that FAs are being approved faster than one per day, so there is a steadily increasing backlog (over 1000 Featured articles, and growing) of articles which may never make it onto the mainpage at this rate. Discussions are ongoing at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests on how to provide a better system, but no one's come up with a good way of dealing with the bottleneck yet. If anyone else has ideas (or just wants to weigh in), please participate at the talkpage there. However, please please please be on your best behavior. The ultimate decider on this is one editor, Raul654 (and his assistant, SandyGeorgia). So saying something to antagonize them, when they are already heavily overworked, is not going to be helpful, and if anything, will push our article even further back (or completely off) the queue. And yes, I know it's Wikipolitics, and yes, it's irritating, but all I can do is explain it, I can't fix it.  :/ --Elonka 22:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Family section

Per 3RR, I can no longer revert. However, I am deeply unhappy about this amateur looking, trivial section. Her family are listed in a template at the article's bottom and in the infobox, so a third section is stupid anyway. But to have this makes the article look a lot less like an encyclopedia, I'm sure fans will be interested that her second cousin twice removed is Nellie Ellis, but its not encyclopedia at all. A list of misc family members is not suitable for Wikipedia. The arguments, from Trampikey, include "it provides extra info" - which is purely trivial. Remember this is an encyclopedia not a fansite. Another reason is "links ot toer characters" - the links are provided in the infobox and template. In addition, Pauline Fowler's article is about her, not a useful list of other EastEnders characters. The other reason is "per all other WPEE articles", this one is a FA and should set the example. All the actual guideline is at the Wikiproject and comes below the WP guidelines. Trampikey also states that the family section was there when it became a FA, well according to this it wasn't. It was added back by an IP here some weeks later. This was removed by Elonka later and then re-added by Trampikey many times when people have removed it. --UpDown (talk) 19:43, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, we had a peer review before the article was nominated, and the family section was heavily criticised, which is why it was removed and transferred to the infobox. Edit warring is not going to solve anything though. What about if we just add every single family field to Template:Infobox EastEnders character 2? That means no loss of any information or links.Gungadin 22:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I attempted it, but it doesnt really work. We would have to extend the length of the ibox to fit them in, or abbreviate, so perhaps G grandchildren, or GG grandchildren, 2nd cousin or something? what do you want to do? no matter, Trampikey fixed it.Gungadin 22:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)