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According to this article, the Hindemith Concerto for the Left Hand was never played in public, and has recently been rediscovered among his wife Hilde (neé Schania) Wittgenstein's estate. -- Someone else 22:57 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for that, it's a good article (and it explains why I couldn't find any details about the Hindemith piece in any reference books). I might try to work some of it into this article one day. I'm more convinced than ever, reading that, that Wittgenstein's life is just crying out to be made into a slushy Hollywood movie. --Camembert

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Hatte Paul Wittgenstein einen Sohn namens LOUIS WITTGENSTEIN (uneheliches Kind)?

[edit] Paul Wittgenstein & Sohn Louis

Paul Wittgenstein hat einen - ehelichen - Sohn Louis, geboren 1942, der in Oesterreich lebt.

[edit] familie wittgenstein ab 1945?

ich forsch grade nach der 'juengeren' geschichte paul wittgensteins. kann mir jemand gute quellen fuer informationen, was den stammbaum der familie wittgenstein (so ab 1945) betrifft, nennen? von der zeit in den staaten find ich im internet ja nicht wirklich viel. auch die familie figdor (grossmutter vaeterlicher seits) gibt einige raetsel auf. ich waer also fuer allgemeine informationsquellen ebenso dankbar.

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The article sayeth:

Charles Winchester (David Ogden Stiers) provides him with the sheet music for Ravel's Pieces for the Left Hand, tells him Wittgenstein's story, and encourages him not to abandon his musical gift.

Ravel never wrote anything called Pieces for the Left Hand. He did write a Concerto for the Left Hand, as mentioned in the article - is this something that MASH just gets wrong, or is it the article at fault? If the latter, lets fix it; if the former, we probably ought to note that such a set of pieces doesn't actually exist. --Camembert

Erp, you're right. I'll have to see it again, but I believe that Charles does in fact call it Pieces for the Left Hand. The MASH newsgroup correctly identifies it and of course you can pick Ravel out a mile away, the whole style. I can fix it. Thank you. --Bluejay Young 18:32, 5 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks very much :) --Camembert

[edit] Paul Wittgenstein

In the program notes for a performance of the Ravel Concerto for the Left Hand by pianist Christopher Taylor (the performance--the notes are by conductor Brian Hughes,) there appears the statement, "Wittgenstein's overbearing father, Karl, forbade Paul's three brothers to pursue a musical career and the three ended up committing suicide."

Is there a source I can turn to to verify this fact, and to learn more about the lives and deaths of these three brothers?

--Daddysir

Ray Monk's biography of Ludwig Wittgenstein, and possibly also Wittgenstein's Poker (see the LW page for publication details). There were eight children: Hermine, Hans, Kurt, Rudolf, Margarete, Helene, Paul and Ludwig (in order). Hans was an infant musical prodigy, composing at the age of four, and even in a family of musicians was considered exceptional. He ran off to the USA, disappearing off a boat in 1902, a presumed suicide. Rudolf went to Berlin against his father's wishes and killed himself with cyanide in 1904, apparently after approaching an organisation for homosexuals for help. Kurt commanded an army unit in the first world war and shot himself when they refused to obey orders. The four younger children were educated quite differently, but the three older boys in particular were put under great pressure to become industrialists. So in short, I think the passage above should say "Paul's three older brothers", but otherwise it's accurate. --ajn (talk) 14:43, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Amount surrendered to the Nazis?

In the Ludwig Wittgenstein article it says that "this amount of gold would be worth over US$37 million" (in the context of the amount the family was forced to sign over to the Reichsbank in order to get a favorable racial identification). However, this article says "...a total value of about $6 billion US dollars" and goes on to say how important this money was in the German war effort.

These two numbers are wildly different and references are given for neither. Does anyone know the truth? Molinari 18:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)