Talk:Paul Mooney (comedian)

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[edit] Newly Expanded

Hi all, I have finished expanding this article. There is a limited amount of information available on the subject, and could use some additional expanding (e.g., birth date, specific place of birth). Have any comments or anything else to say? Post it here! --TheKMan 04:21, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding the "other" Mooney

  • It seems in the past someone has been removing content on these pages referring to the comedian Mooney, and continues to replace it with text referring to the software developer/blogger Mooney. To whoever it is, before you try it again with the newly expanded article, could you please post your reasoning here? To others, feel free to discuss this. --TheKMan 04:21, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • To who ever keeps reverting these pages, please talk to us, and please stop erasing the talk boards. I would also like to mention, your "proof" that you were first to this article does not mean you have a true claim to it. It should also be noted that the "proof" was deleted previously for a reason.[1] --TheKMan 17:04, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I know the blogger Paul Mooney, the guy who created the FAN SHRINE for that other Paul Mooney knows nothing about him. Paul Mooney the blogger has over 5,000 subscribers reading his blog every day, he belongs here. The other Paul Mooney has PR people, an Agent and so on, if you think he is so wonderful why don't you start a FAN SITE and see how many members you can gather from the whole wide world.
  • You are welcome to create a disambiguation page, regarding software developer/blogger Paul Mooney. You are not welcome to erase an entire article and replace it with vanity text, and a skewed POV. I am not interested in creating fan shrines or fan sites. I am only interested in using Wikipedia as it was meant to be used: posting objective information. Just a note: Paul Mooney comedian has been seen in television and film by millions of people. His works have been seen by millions more. He helped make Richard Pryor the comedian he was. Frankly, I have seen more notable people than Mooney-blogger be quickied. Please add comments to the bottom of this discussion page, and do not erase the comments of others. --TheKMan 19:45, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Be quickied???????? Richard Pryor didn't credit Mooney as much as Kman does, reading this shrine Kman has posted you would think he was a big star in Hollywood....thats a joke. Many people are now saying that Wikipedia is worthless and now I can see why. There are links to comerical websites in this "article", maybe Kman is making money here, but there is no way for us to know.
  • Heh, I wish I was being paid. Anyway, this is hardly a shrine. It is all objective information. If you do not feel this article is worth being on Wikipedia, you are welcome to post it in Articles for Deletion. — TheKMantalk 22:35, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I am Paul Mooney, it’s my name and no one can take it from me. My blog has thousands of readers and is aggraded and syndicated all over the world. My name first appeared here on 3/05 after a blog index on Ask.com required the reference. It was deleted for the same reason KMan deleted it yesterday, because of something they saw on TV. The story of this other Paul Mooney has never been told, we don’t know if it's his real name or not....all we have is an association with two Black comedians after they signed thirty million dollar contracts!
Mooney comes from the Irish O’Maonaigh, no Irish man ever owned a slave, we were slaves of the British for 800 years.

Type Paul Mooney in any search engine and your going to find me and another blogger in Ireland.

    • Perhaps we should have an article on the other Irish blogger Paul Mooney instead, then. B.Wind 18:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

It’s outrageous that a prominent blogger, a pioneer who has earned Press credentials for all the major Technology conferences and Events can be removed at the whim of a college student who knows life only by what he sees on TV.

  • Again, you are welcome to create a disambiguated page, you are welcome to create articles with accurate information and NPOV, and you are welcome to post the current Mooney article in Articles for Deletion. I am not stopping you. — TheKMantalk 02:14, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Mr. Mooney, if you want to create that article go right ahead, but I took your advice and searched "Paul Mooney" on Google and it came up with only one link for you, which was for your website. All of the other links were regarding this Paul Mooney. If you could please stop being unreasonable and just make your own article rather than accuse others of stealing your name everyone would appreciate it.
    • It is clear that the blogger Paul Mooney would rather fight the fight than help the people who want to create and keep an actual encyclopedic article on him. This requires objective information directly about him, third party references (and not blogs themselves), and no extraneous information about attempts to delete the article or Muhammad Ali's mother (unless she has a direct relationship to the blogger Paul Mooney). On the other hand, the current article on the writer/comedian Paul Mooney is an adequate one, and will become better as the red links turn blue. It is referenced, it easily demonstrates notability (which the blogger Paul Mooney article does not), and it gives details of his activities for which he is notable, and -- most importatantly -- it is written with a neutral point of view. If the blogger's article is to stand more than a snowball's chance in hell of surviving a couple days more, it needs to be expanded more than the one remaining sentence (yes, I removed the extraneous stuff from there). Good luck. B.Wind 18:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
    • I don't understand the problem. All that needs to be done is create another page called Paul Mooney (blogger) and then change the name of this one to Paul Mooney (comedian). Just like any other article on wikipedia like an article for someone named "John Smith". I would do this right now if I knew how.--DavidFuzznut 18:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion

Looks like 67.84.245.60 (talk · contribs) took your advice, albeit not too well: he or she added the blank entry Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Mooney to today's AfD page. He or she also added, for some reason, the blank entry Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Think Tank -- maybe this makes sense to the editors here. --Calton | Talk 06:48, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for comment

Step 2 of Resolving disputes has been implemented, in the form of Requests for comment. This talk page has been posted under Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Media, art and literature. I'm hoping that this will be constructive, and that the comments of others from the Wikipedia community will help resolve the dispute at hand. The main issue is the subject on the Paul Mooney article. Another person by this name continues to replace the article with alternative content. Please refer to the edit histories of both the article page and this talk page. Seeking any and all comments. — TheKMantalk 08:11, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Came here from RfC. If the angry people above calmed down for a moment they would realise that we can have articles for BOTH Paul Mooneys. Then we can consider one or both separately for deletion if there are questions of appropriateness. What we do not need to do is fight over this article name. I'm happy to come back here in a day and do that work myself, if there are no objections before then. AndyJones 12:57, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia offering FREE WebHosting now? This comedian didn't have a website till TheKman put one up here, maybe there is money being exchanged. A quick look at the History shows that crid and TheKman are the vandals having removed Paul Mooney the blogger's entry many times as if it was a mission from God.


  • It does appear the theKman has abused his position of trust on Wikipedia by authoring a lengthy

exaggerated article without any fact-checks on one Paul Mooney as a means to exclude the blogger Paul Mooney.


  • Hello all. I feel that I must apologize to the other Paul Mooney if he took my comments personally, for that was never my intention. It was not my intention to comment on the contributor, but only to comment on the content as per Wikipedia policy against personal attacks. It turns out the subject of the content, and the contributor, were one in the same. Anyway, I went ahead and posted a Paul Mooney (disambiguation) page, and a Paul Mooney (blogger) page with the contents directly from this article's history[2]. The new article has an “importance” tag, and requires attention to bring it up to standards. — TheKMantalk 23:55, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Nothing for me to do, then, I think. AndyJones 01:08, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Groovy! Thanks yet again Crid 01:58, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • RfC response Take it easy, people. Both sides violated the three revert rule yesterday. This looks like a very simple situation to resolve: Start a new page for both people, move the current article to Paul Mooney (comedian), and make Paul Mooney a disambiguation page. Best wishes. Durova 02:17, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I just thought I should mention that the 3R rule doesn't apply in cases of vandalism. The anonymous user involved was temp. blocked for 24 hours after three warnings. Also, to all other users, before you comment, please view the Paul Mooney (blogger) article, which contains the content of what the previously mentioned user was posting. — TheKMantalk 02:26, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

^The problem isn’t your comments Kman, it’s your credibility. You took the action of deleting my Wikipedia entry and replaced it by cutting and pasting tidbits from publicists and PR hacks paid to promote a persona. If you bother to do any real research you will discover that these Paul Mooney’s are cousins.

What you have done is unacceptable; you’re perpetuating a falsehood. Why don’t you consult Jimmy Wales, he may know me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.166.146.88 (talk • contribs) 02:30 14 Dec 2005

You know, between your raging vanity and paranoia, your unfounded personal attacks and goofy tangents, and your limited (36 unique) Google hits for "'Paul Mooney' blogger dotnetjunkies", you're not not really making much of a case here for your own credibility, nor for your supposed notability or encyclopedic value. Maybe your time would be better spent at Talk:Paul Mooney (blogger) to help clean up the article and prove it's worth keeping. --Calton | Talk 02:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Your research is flawed;
  • Kman the clown should have constructed a disambiguation page for the comedian rather then delete Paul Mooney the bloggers page, what is the point of having rules if editors ignore them?

The Paul Mooney page still has commercial links and is essential a FAN SHRINE, where is the "encyclopedic value"?

  • Please refrain from making personal attacks. Thank you. — TheKMantalk 17:14, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • This entire episode has been a personal attack on Paul Mooney, Kman never should have deleted his page. Using the word "Other" is an insult Kman.
  • It does appear that the lunatics are running the asylum thanks to theKman, Crid and Carlton, how can we believe anything on Wikipedia?
  • Responding to the RfC. After reading both articles and doing a little research on the two Mooneys, I think the status quo makes the most sense - Paul Mooney goes to the article about the comedian, who has a solid IMDB entry with acting and writing credits, with a dab link at the top to the blogger's page or to a dab page. Also, the article on the blogger needs a lot of work. If I had come upon Paul Mooney (blogger) directly without seeing this discussion, I almost certainly would have tagged it {{nonsense}} or {{nn-bio}}. And finally, everyone please sign your posts on talk pages. | Klaw ¡digame! 16:49, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
  • This morning I removed a SPEEDY tag from Paul Mooney (blogger). I will do the same if there are more, although I'm not sitting at my computer to defend that page full time. That page really only has a few days to turn it into an encyclopedic article. I would encourage the person who has been fighting for that article on this page to spend some time there. AndyJones 17:19, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Just in case someone misinterpreted my comments, I wasn't calling for the blogger article to be speedied. I was just commenting on its current status. The presence of the RfC should give it a temporary reprieve from speedy deletion. | Klaw ¡digame! 18:08, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 21st December has arrived and I have therefore listed Paul Mooney (blogger) at AfD, here. I haven't voted myself. I encourage everyone interested in this discussion to make their views known, there. AndyJones 21:39, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
  • The AfD has now closed. The discussion is here. There were no comments in support of Paul Mooney (blogger) (unless you count my efforts to protect it from speedy deletion), and it has been deleted. I think this RfC is now effectively closed. Any insertion of Paul Mooney (blogger) info on this page will be the recreation of previously deleted material, and can therefore be treated as vandalism, and reverted on sight. I suggest that it might be useful to report anything of that kind to Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress if and when it happens, rather than simply reverting, to avoid any further edit warring. AndyJones 09:43, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Replacing one Paul Mooney with another was the act of vandalism. Google Paul Mooney, look who is #1 (unsigned by LN. First edit with this username)
    • On the contrary, replacing with the more notable Paul Mooney (with a TV/movie credit trail spanning more than a dozen years) and disambiguishing Paul Mooneys saved a Paul Mooney article. The lack of cooperation vis-à-vis making the Paul Mooney (blogger) page encyclopedic doomed it in AfD. B.Wind 13:47, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Can you find a web presence for the comedian Paul Mooney other then the cut and past page that passes your encyclopedic test, while it's accuracy is in doubt? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LN (talk • contribs) 14:31, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Here is a video on the New York Times website with Paul Mooney speaking about Richard Pryor [3] (click on "the lives they lived" videos on the top left). Or try your luck with a direct link: [4] (may not always work due to Javascript junk). — TheKMantalk 17:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
  • What is missing is any reference to Paul Mooney by Richard Pryor, you have assembled many dead links and too much misinformation on a subject you have admitted knowing nothing about. This entire exorcize has been an act of vandalism, we have witnessed why Wikipedia is now said to be worthless.

(unsigned by LN)

OK, LN - you want a definitive web link for Paul Mooney? Try [5] [6][7][8] -- and that's only after about five seconds of Dogpile.com searching (it would have been far less, but I'm on dialup). It's time to move on, LN. If you tried as hard to establish, expand, and verify the Paul Mooney (blogger) article, your hero's page would still be up and we'd have two encyclopedic "Paul Mooney" articles that would be quite useful. You're welcome to try again if you truly wish it: just click the red link in this paragraph and start rewriting it. B.Wind 00:47, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Apollo Incident

II added info about his being pulled from the stage at the Apollo. I had originall entitled the section "Banned from the Apollo" however I don't believe he was banned from the Apollo, which is owned by the public, just the TV show Showtime at the Apollo which is owned by Time Warner. Quadzilla99 10:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

  • I corrected something for the above info, as Mooney didn't appear on Stern on 12-28-2006 (as Stern was on Christmas vacation then). He actually appeared on 10-30-2006 (per MarksFriggin.com). Fanarchy 17:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

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