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[edit] Important
I was thinking of adding this to his page; "He is generally considered a heel".
Important addendum: During the mid 1970's to early 1980's Paul Daniels marketed the, "TV Magic" line of products. This included simple decks of magic cards and elaborate kits containing many tricks. These kits cotained a record, and latter a cassette tape, that contained instruction recorded on them. "TV Magic" was mass marketed along side Ginsu Knives and the, "Super Bass-o-Matic '76", never the less the kits contained magic which was enjoyable to perform such as paddle tricks, and balloon penetrations.
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[edit] Why has this been removed?
*At the end of his interview on ITV's The Mint he did a dirty trick to his interviewer, Kat Shoob by offering his cheek for a friendly kiss and turned at the last minute, kissing her on the mouth. She later described this as her worst ever experience in a magazine interview with Maxim.
It was the last thing he has done on TV.
[edit] Questionable Quote
I've removed this...
In the same year, he threatened to leave the UK if New Labour were elected, a threat he did not carry out. However he defends this as a misquote on his own website.
...as there's no source for the original "threat", only for Daniels' defence of it as a misquote: "This was a creation of a north east journalist who 'edited' the answer to his own question." Tuffian 19:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- Daniels said it out loud on a early Channel Five show which went around his house (a sort of proto 'Cribs') He stated that he would leave the UK were Labour to be elected that May. When asked where he would go he boasted of being about to get a huge contract in Las Vegas. Djarra 12:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- I also recall hearing him admit he said it and then slightly "back pedalling" by explaining that the original remark was meant to be a qualified statement. Before the election he was concerned about the old-style Labour Party but because "New Labour" turned out to be rather different he didn't feel his threat applied. Problem is I can't remember exactly which show that was on. We really need a clear and specific citation if this is to be included. Circusandmagicfan 13:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)Circusandmagicfan
[edit] Racism
Why doesn´t this article many any reference whatsoever to Daniels´lifelong obsession with making crap ethnic stereotypes, throughout his equally crap career, hosting crap gameshows? It's the main reason he's been booted off the TV.
The articles seems to have been written by people who actually admire him. Hence the deletion of anything remotely negative.
- Anything negative must be sourced, otherwise it could be libellous. That's probably why it's removed. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 14:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] TV appearances - booted off British TV due to being crap, not "retired"
Hello. The reason Daniels is no longer permitted to draw his multi million pound fees (from the licence-payer) for his gameshows is not because he voluntarily "retired" - it's because the British public were sick to death of his crap jokes, crap "magic" and crap gameshows. He was booted off. Much in the same way as Noel Edmonds. This article, as it stands, represents a dishonest attempt to sidestep this fact - it has clearly been written by middle-aged, cardigan-wearing fans of his who long for the good old days of the early 1980s, when it was still acceptable to make lame, unfunny racist jokes and third rate entertainment for the masses. Sorry to be so blunt. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.19.182.155 (talk) 04:18, 24 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Wig
"Unbeknownst to TV audiences, Daniels sported a wig for the majority of his television career"
This is not really true. Everyone knew he wore a piece. It was not convinceing at all. After he stopped wearing it he has claimed he knew it was bad but that was the point. You were looking at that and not his hands. Djarra 12:06, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Incorrect, I'm afraid. If you read the source article, he acknowledges that it was a secret...whether it was a poorly kept secret or otherwise is not the issue.
[edit] Apparent pregnancy hoax
I've removed the following from the article:
- "Daniels and McGee recenctly announced that they are expecting a baby girl, to be born in October.[citation needed]"
A fairly exhaustive search of news sources turned up no reference to any pregnancy announcement. In addition, Daniels wrote in his blog on 23 Feb "Don't worry, neither Debbie nor I are pregnant." And there is no reference to preganancy in any more recent entry. Seems that someone was trying to start a hoax here. Circusandmagicfan 11:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Circusandmagicfan
- Paul has recently had a grandchild, maybe someone got the wrong end of the stick?Djarra 12:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Thanks for that info. Looks like that clears it up then. Circusandmagicfan 07:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)Circusandmagicfan
[edit] National category/designation
Something peculiar has been going on with descriptions relating to nationality in this article. Someone using an anon IP is behaving in a way that is possibly a subtle form of vandalism and/or trolling and possibly also trying to insert a POV (maybe for political reasons?). This person's latest bout of activity began on 15 April when they edited to remove the description of Daniels as a magician from the United Kingdom (which is the description that applied when the article was first created and which has remained uncontested for several years). In it's place was inserted the description "English". The categorisation "British magician" was also removed and replaced by "English magician".
This might seem a minor change but it is not entirely negligible. I contend that, in general, "from the United Kingdom" or "British" are better factual descriptions as they relate to a formal legal nationality and they are less prone to errors. Also, in terms of the Magic World, national magic organisations tend to cover the UK rather than just England and shows such as The Paul Daniels Show were UK-wide broadcasts. (I have posted in more detail about this in a discussion at the WikiProject Magic talk page).
In any case, "United Kingdom" seemed to be a consensus choice for this particular article. I did not at first want to wade in and simply revert the edit. Instead, on 16 April, I restored the "British magician" categorisation. With hindsight I should probably also have reverted the insertion of "English" into the article text.
Because there was a similar pattern of activity on other articles, I posted a detailed explanation of my reasoning at the WikiProject Magic talk page. I should perhaps have flagged that with a post here at the same time and I apologise for that omission. In any case I flagged it in a later edit summary.
Later on 16 April my revert was in turn reverted by another anon IP very similar to the 15 April one. I reverted again on 17 April, with edit summaries indicating what I was doing and pointing to the discussion at the WikiProject Magic talk page. The anonymous user reverted on 18 April (again without an edit summary). I reversed that the same day (with edit summary) but the anon user came in again and re-inserted his POV (without edit summary).
At no time has this anonymous user replied to the points I have made in attempts at discussion at the WikiProject Magic talk page. Instead he or she has confined themself to posting a blunt instruction to me on my talk page followed by a similar blunt assertion at the project talk page. The IP addresses for the anonymous user all begin 172 and all belong to AOL. Interestingly, there was a case of vandalism by a similar AOL address (172.215.211.40) on 27 January, when an abusive name was inserted.
I am temporarily at a loss for what to do. I strongly contest the attempts by this anonymous user to impose his or her POV without even the courtesy of discussion. However I do not want to be part of a classic tit-for-tat edit war. My preferred approach is reasoned argument - which is what I have attempted by posting at WikiProject Magic talk page and now by posting this here. I will hold off from reverting again for the time being while I investigate other ways of resolving this issue. I believe my history of contributions here has been constructive and I seek support from others who have an interest in developing this article positively.
Circusandmagicfan 08:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)Circusandmagicfan
Daniels has now stated on his own blog that he considers himself British and that he wishes the names England, Scotland etc. had been dropped long ago. I have edited the nationality description and categories here to reflect this. I have cited the relevant page of Daniels' blog in the references. Circusandmagicfan 16:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC)Circusandmagicfan
[edit] Removal of 'fling' statement
Earlier today, I removed the following statement:
The Sun Newspaper in the UK reported that Daniels had a fling with a student following a show at Hull University in 2006.
Since the deletion, I have found reference to the Sun newspaper article in question - Source - but I feel my removal is justified. The photographs in the Sun show Paul kissing the girl, and posing for photographs with her as per the inset. You cannot call that a 'fling', and all this took place at the show he did for Hull University. It really isn't worthy of a mention in this context. -TonyW 17:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. And there are probably a few other bits of trivia that could go the same way. Circusandmagicfan 22:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)Circusandmagicfan
[edit] MAG1C Numberplate
Its on his Isuze Trooper. This is shown on the RAC Car Data Check website . Paul himself mentions he owns a Trooper in his own webpage Paul. The interview when it's seen on his Bentley Mulsanne is dated 2006. DavidFarmbrough (talk) 12:07, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
