Talk:Paul Barresi/Archive 1

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I have a feeling that this new unsigned section above was also written by the same banned user who wrote the blanked section below. See note from Durova at the bottom of this page. This is the same sort of unreliable sources to gossip and hearsay that were posted in the blanked section. Reminder that this page is for discussion, not accusations and blogging. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.193.154.12 (talk) 08:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Right you are. BTW banning policy allows any editor in good standing to remove posts by a banned editor. DurovaCharge! 08:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Contents

Material to consider for future inclusion

(moved Mr. Barresi's feedback to bottom of page to preserve chronological order)

This section should be treated as a sandbox for gathering reputable sources and sourced material that could go into a future version of the article. Feel free to add and expand. On second thought, don't treat it like an ordinary sandbox, but one with buried mines. Proceed with caution as per WP:LIVING. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 03:36, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

IMDb link
Paul Barresi at the Internet Movie Database
Pretty standard for actors, directors, media personalities. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 03:36, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
DOB
January 12, 1948
From IMDb. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 03:41, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Categories
Barresi, Paul, Barresi, Paul
Standard. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 03:41, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I have explained to Paul that much of the material here will need to be confirmed before we can use it, and that the "press bio" style of writing is not suitable to wikipedia.

Nonetheless there seems to be some usable information here.


Yes. Well feel free to make edits in accordance with your best judgment here. I do think this is where the problem was with the original article. Mr. Barresi is not shy about his full career.--Jimbo Wales 23:38, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
I incorporated what could be confirmed independently, but there are quite a few contested statements in his autobiographical profile above. Apparently, there are porno geeks, like sci-fi and sports geeks, who have extensive knowledge of porno trivia. They seem to take issue with a number of Mr. Barresi's claims, and their documentation often seems pretty good. [1] Much more to be said about his adult film work.
You learn something every day around here... Jokestress 11:32, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Stub?

Shouldn't it be a stub? It's so small, and has no sections, pictures or anything... --80.63.213.182 21:48, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

  • THIS ARTICLE SHOULD be a stub! As it it, it is an embarassment to Wikipedia. The sources are unreliable and often to do not cite what is said in this article. Really reducing this to 1 1/2 paragraphs and either omitting the picture or having one provided that is what Barresi looks like now would fix the problem with this article. 90% of this article is based on rumors and gossip which are not reliable sources. Also MANY self-published sources are cted here as well as the Fact tha tPaul Barresi, him self edits it constantly! This is not allowed! 172.192.193.167 (talk) 19:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


I don't get it, but I fixed it. --72.38.179.126 05:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

"According to IMDB"

Its not libellous to say "according to IMDB". We are not asserting it as fact, just saying that that is what IMDB says. If there is a claim of libel, Paul Barresi should take it up with the people at IMDB. IMDB is ordinarily thought to be a very reliable source, and I see no reason to dispute it in this instance. So I went ahead and included that section. The issue seems to be whether the aliases given by IMDB, i.e. Jason Thorpe and Joe Hammer, are really him. I went ahead and was bold with this. 203.122.195.111 18:15, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I like the latest version, presumably written by Barresi himself. But I think that we should hold off on major editing until IMDB is updated, if indeed it really is inaccurate. It can wait a week or so to see what happens. If IMDB is wrong, I'm sure they'll comply and update it. 203.122.195.111 21:18, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Starting at the beginning

OK, I have been doing the same kind of meticulous citations on Daniel Brandt, so let's do everything with published references. Let's start with birth date, which varies by source (1948 or 1949). I suggest this:

Paul Barresi (born 12 January 1948 [1] or 1949 [2] is an American film director and media personality.

I am going to challenge that Paul Barresi was born in 1932! He is much older than the unreliable / self-published sources and this can be proven! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.192.13.150 (talk) 08:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

July 31, 2007 note - We cannot even find a reliable source on a year this guy was born!

Article finally cleaned up but missing info

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Sorry but claims that person writing in caps above are not backed up by reliable sources. Wikipedia is not about opinion and non-factual nonsense. Everything here must be backed up by a reliable source. There are sources for much of the gossip and hearsay in this bad article but no substantial support from reliable sources. This article still has a long way to go to meet Wikipedia's guidelines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.193.154.12 (talk) 07:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
You are correct. And to the individual who posted the blanked section above, please be aware that ban evasion can result in the resetting of your ban. Right now that is due to expire in two months. If there are any further difficulties I will request an extension. If you believe there are problems with this article you may contact OTRS and seek resolution that way. DurovaCharge! 08:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I would also like to point out that some of the references listed for this article do not go to sites or articles that they claim to. Also,reference No. 2 "The Bagman" is a self-published source. Fuzzyred (talk) 21:15, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

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The above area had to be blanked as it is verbatim to what had recently previously been posted and promptly removed in two area of this discussion page. Please see notes form DUROVA. I definitely smell socks! Any one up for a puppet show? 172.190.37.72 (talk) 21:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hand-picked?

  • This article suggests that Barresi was "Hand-picked" by Larry Flynt for the cover of Hustler and cites a source. Looking at that source one can confirm that Barresi was 1st male on cover of Hustler but says NOTHNG about being hand-picked by Flynt. References need to cite what is written in the article. Many of the references for this article do not cite what is stated and only a few barely elude to what is said here. There is a difference between eluding to a fact and actually referencing one! Fuzzyred (talk) 17:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

How bout, NIT PICKED? You got anything better to do with your time? I was Flynt's main model-- period. This is a discussion isn;t it? Paul Barresi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.110.255.19 (talk) 22:22, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

The above is not discussion. It is ABUSE! No one here has been insulting towards Paul Barresi. We have only tried to point out that this is an encyclopedia and everything mentioned in the article has to be backed-up with a reliable source - PERIOD! Self-published sources and gossip rags are not reliable and many of the sources in this article are of an unreliable nature. I happen to know that Paul Barresi who appears to have signed the above very rude and abusive comment, is a banned user who has approxamately 3 1/2 months before he is allowed on Wikipedia again. This is VERY GENEROUS on Wikipedia's part. Also, autobiographies are not allowed on Wikipedia. Barresi cannot be telling editors what to write or say here. Also, making self claims such as "I was Flynt's main model-- period." is totally unencyclopedic. If there is a reliable source from Flynt saying this then we can cite it and include it in this article. I am certain, however, if we approached Mr.Flynt and asked who his "main model" was, he would certainly give us a woman's name. If you review previous editions of this article you will see how Paul Barresi has tried to use this for personal advertising. DUROVA is a fantastic editor who is concerned about this article and will give sound advice on Wikipedia's policies. Fuzzyred (talk) 11:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


Tom Cruise?

  • There is a link here to Tom Cruise Unauthorized Biography

but no reference nor citation as to why this is related to the subject of this article. Looking at the Cruise bio, Barresi is briefly referred to but the references there appear to be self-published or from gossip columns. I tried to point this out on that article's talk page but clearly some editors are over passionate about citing questionable sources. Fuzzyred (talk) 07:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Another editor commented on Feb 12th regarding that the "see also" was irrevelant to information in this article. It has been removed. Rednath (talk) 19:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
  • If you look at the Tom Cruis Unaurhtoized Biography, you will see that Barresi is mentioned ever so briefly. You will also see that ALL references regardig Barresi and nearly all references on the article are unreliable, self-published or simply rumors / gossip! (BLP removed) talk) 20:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)