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63.79.81.183 said that Duncan is the one asked by Paul Atreides to kill the face-dancer, but I am sure Stilgar was the one. However I think I remember that in the Dune miniseries, Duncan was in effect the one. I have not the documents right here, so could someone confirm that? I will do the search anyway if no one does it, but I will probably not be able to do it before a few days. Fafner 06:38, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

I just checked in the book, and it is indeed Duncan Idaho (well, his gohla to be more precise). Bad, bad, bad memory... Fafner 09:13, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

An image from the original film may be more appropriate and more widely recognizable. --SparqMan 04:41, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree with the comment about the image. The new DUNE series was far substandard to the original movie, and the original Paul. -JX

You are in the minority then. IMDB and all Dune-related forums I know of prefer the newer films. Dionyseus 08:02, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

The page is too blue, just like Paul's eyes.. removing some less useful links.

To be honest, placing either a picture of either film is too POV as it indicates a supposed "better" film; a neutral picture, such as an artist's intrepretation of Paul would be best. That way, there is no real preference for either film as depicted through the article.

BTW the best intrepetation is Dune Messiah; I cry everytime. I love Chani, and all she does is kiss Paul in 1984; that did and still does truly bother me; at least in 2000 she is depicted more as his Sihaya. :)

Zidel333 05:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

“…the heir of House Atreides, a nuclear-armed aristocratic family…” Is “nuclear-armed” really a primary characteristic of the Atreides? - Ahruman 15:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Not exactly, but "nuclear-armed" Houses in Herbert's feodal universe are the most powerful ones, thus placing House Atreides among the most powerful ones (albeit more in the bottom that the top). Fafner 06:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

(spoilers about the series in this comment) There is a good deal of somewhat inaccurate information on this and many other Dune pages. For example, on this page, it suggests that Paul saw the extinction of humanity, but decided not to do anything about it. However, there are quotes from Children of Dune that suggest that he only failed to take Leto's path due to his failure of seeing the final consequences. I changed the article to what actually happened in the end of Children of Dune, but I think there's a major misinterpretation of Paul's character in that assumption.

[edit] Later Works

The way this section now reads, doesn't it imply that Chapterhouse depicts the nullentropy tube as containing cells of the whole cast of ghola characters revealed as present in Hunters (e.g., Serena Butler, Xavier Harkonnen)? This isn't right. --SandChigger 06:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

From my memory, the only "revealing" done in Chapterhouse about the nullentropy tube is in the flap jacket of the book in which Frank hints that Paul Atreides and all the great legends may come back. Dionyseus 06:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Now that I've read the the section you mention, I don't see what's the problem. It isn't saying that "Chapterhouse" depicts the tube as containing cells of the whole cast of characters that are revealed in "Hunters", it is simply saying that the last Tleilaxu Master contains the tube. Dionyseus 06:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Dionyseus. Sorry, I went ahead and edited it before heading out for a bit and didn't make a note of it here. That may be why you don't see the problem now; please check the history and you'll see what it was before.

As for the revealing done in Chapterhouse (emphasis added)...

Scytale rubbed his breast, reminding himself of what was hidden there with such skill that not even a scar marked the place. Each Master had carried this resource—a nullentropy capsule preserving the seed cells of a multitude: fellow Masters of the central kehl, Face Dancers, technical specialists and others he knew would be attractive to the women of Shaitan...and to many weakling powindah! Paul Atreides and his beloved Chani were there. (Oh what that had cost in searching garments of the dead for random cells!) The original Duncan Idaho was there with other Atreides minions—the Mentat Thufir Hawat, Gurney Halleck, the Fremen Naib Stilgar...enough potential servants and slaves to people a Tleilaxu universe.

The prize of prizes in the nullentropy tube, the ones he longed to bring into existence, made him catch his breath when he thought of them. Perfect Face Dancers! Perfect mimics. Perfect recorders of a victim's persona. Capable of deceiving even the witches of the Bene Gesserit. Not even shere could prevent them from capturing the mind of another.

Sorry for the confusion. :( On further thought, though, I'm not sure if a lot of the information still there is really relevant in an article about Paul Atreides. Mention that he is brought back (twice) with links to the Chapterhouse and Hunters pages should be enough, no? I may pare further.... --SandChigger 10:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)