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[edit] Pronunciation of his name

I don't know if there's any convention to write the pronunciation of a name, but being Spanish I'd pronounce his name as Pow gas-all (like in gas[oline] and the 'a' like in All-[stars] or tall or call not like 'shall' or 'pal' as the article suggests). --150.214.94.101 (talk) 11:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Personal Life?

Maybe more about the personal life and other non-basketball career topics.Andrew zxc (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clean Up And Expansion

Did some major clean up and added a lot more information from his Bio on NBA.com. Along with adding statistics as well. Added a photo. Gamloverks (talk) 10:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Good article nomination

I saw this article at WP:GAC and decided take a look (but I am not officially reviewing this article). A couple of things that I noticed just by skimming the article.

  1. Per WP:LEAD, the lead is way too short.
  2. Per WP:LAYOUT, the article has way too many section headers that have little content underneath them.
  3. There is a ton of unsourced content.

It would probably be a good idea to take care of these problems before a GA reviewer decides to review this article. Ice Cold Beer (talk) 19:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Fixed the majority of unsourced content, and retooled the headers so that most information that has to do with that season is included and information that did not have enough were grouped together. I'm still working on the lead though. Gamloverks (talk) 19:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
I have also redone the intro with some more information added in. anything else that should be improved? Gamloverks (talk) 20:27, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
A few things: the article still isn't up to GA standards. For instance, the lead still isn't up to GA quality and the sections are still too short. Read WP:GACR, and make sure that you go through the article, line by line, and make sure that the article satisfies our good article criteria. Take a look at some other good articles on active basketball players for some ideas on how to bring this one to GA (there are some good articles on NBA players listed at WP:NBA). While I've only skimmed the article, I did notice that the controversial nature of his trade to the Lakers is not mentioned. Ice Cold Beer (talk) 02:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I would also like to point out that this article is way better than it was just a few weeks ago. Although the GA nomination has been withdrawn, I'd like to see you keep working towards GA status. Ice Cold Beer (talk) 04:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I added the controversy surrounding the trade. I have been using articles such as Kobe Bryant and Steve Nash to get better. I'll continue to work on the articles as I find more information. I didn't just want to put unnecesary information in there, but I'll continue to look around. Gamloverks (talk) 20:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Personal Info

Most of the personal info that I have posted on this site is shown on Nike's webpage that was created for Pau Gasol, and I have seen that site many times, if anyone is willing to question the information. This is a reliable website which was built by Nike. Gamloverks (talk) 01:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] References

Changed the references to their respective playoff years. If anyone can find a page that lists Memphis Franchise Records not in wikipedia, I would be most appreciative. Gamloverks (talk) 01:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, I found one. Gamloverks (talk) 14:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pau Gasol is Spanish

Pau Gasol born is Spain, his official nacionality is Spanish. Catalonia is a region of Spain and the reference says "Native of Catalonia, a region on the coast of Spain", AND? He is still Spanish and Catalonia is still a Region of Spain. If somebody wants to know the region of Barcelona, it's easy reading the article of Barcelona, but his nacionality is Spanish and only Spanish. He is Spanish, Catalonian, Barcelonian, European, Sanboyan.... but his only official nacionality is Spanish--84.122.175.235 (talk) 10:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

We can also see traces of the African Moors in his appearance as well. History did indeed take place! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.93.188 (talk) 17:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Okay...

This is getting ridiculous, are these changes even logical? I wanted a good intro, and I created a good intro, why wasn't that a good intro? I'm kind of trying to figure out why it got changed, whoever made the changes, please enlighten me! Gamloverks (talk) 00:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The people who changed it don't even have a user page except for one, what is going on? Unless someone explains why it was changed, I'm going to revert it back. Gamloverks (talk) 00:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review

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I've listed this article for peer review because… I would like to see what else should be done to it, and what more or less should be added

Thanks, Gamloverks (talk) 19:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Milk's Favorite Cookie (talk · contribs)
  • As per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates), dates shouldn't use th.
  • Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (numbers), please spell out source units of measurements in text.
  • If this article is about a person, please add {{persondata|PLEASE SEE [[WP:PDATA]]!}} along with the required parameters to the article - see Wikipedia:Persondata for more information.
  • If you were aiming for a good article, I would suggest using {{citeweb}}, {{citenews}}, etc. on the references.
  • The whole 2006-07 section is uncited. Add some references and/or citations.
  • Add a caption to the image in the infobox.
  • On the second image, in the caption, link "Grizzlies" (for example) to help those unfamiliar with the subject.
  • On the career statistics, consider adding something like this.
  • Other than that looks good. « Milk's Favorite Cookie ( talk / contribs) 01:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a look! There are some different people along with me who are working on this article, albeit some don't say what they change. I'll try to work on the things above in the article. Gamloverks (talk) 14:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Dates have been fixed. Measurements have been spelled out. Linked both teams in the caption. I will work on the Person data. 2006-07 section is indeed cited. I'll work on the references for using citeweb and citenews. I'll continue to add more information as I see it, but otherwise, I still have some work to do on it. I'm also getting busy with graduation, so I've had little to no time at all. Gamloverks (talk) 14:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Added persondata, I've also merged topics because of too minimal content. Well, it's looking pretty good. Gamloverks (talk) 19:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Cheers, Thisisborin9sign here! 08:28, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

I have fixed all the citations and correctly inserted them according to wikipedia standards. Gamloverks (talk) 17:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Pau Gasol/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review. GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

This article is in decent shape, but it needs more work before it becomes a Good Article.

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    This sentence in the Bio. section, ---> "However, in his final season in Europe, Gasol averaged 11.3 points and 5.2 rebounds in just under 24 minutes per game, and after Barcelona was victorious in the Spanish National Cup, he was awarded the MVP of the tournament", seems to go nowhere and needs a little explaining. In the 2001-2005 section, there tends to be a lot of "In his [...] year with the Grizzlies", it would be best to split it up by stating it once and not keep repeating it. Is it necessary to include ---> "His team failed to make a fourth-straight appearance in the NBA Playoffs" for the 2006-07 section? In the Player Profile, I know what the article means by not being ejected, but a little explanation of it would be best for Gasol never being ejected from a game. Shouldn't the "Personal" section be "Personal life", (ex: Steve Nash, Dwyane Wade, and Yi Jianlian).
    B. MoS compliance:
    In the lead, it would be best to add (NBA) after "National Basketball Association", since the article does mention "NBA" and Los Angeles Lakers is linked twice and I suggest that it'd be linked once, per here. In the 2005-2006 section, the dates need to be fixed according to this.
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    Does Reference 4 cover ---> "Gasol began playing basketball with his school team, and he eventually signed with C.B. Cornella". If not, a source is needed for Gasol playing basketball and signing with Cornella. Source ---> "After moving to the senior team, Gasol played just eleven total minutes in the 1998-99 season, and averaged under 15 minutes per game in the next year". This ---> "In his fourth year with the Grizzlies, he scored 31 points and blocked four shots on January 11, 2005 against the Indiana Pacers to earn 5,000 points and 500 blocks in his career, becoming the 10th fastest player to reach 5,000 points/500 blocks since 1973-74", needs a source. Source ---> "In his fifth year with the team, he became the franchise’s all-time leading rebounder on Mar. 24/06 against the New York Knicks when he grabbed his 3,072nd rebound in a Grizzlies uniform". A source is needed for his broken foot injury in the 2006-07 section. Source ---> "and surpassed Shareef Abdur-Rahim as the franchise's all-time leader in free throw attempts on January 31 against the Dallas Mavericks". In the 2007-08 section, "On February 1, 2008, Gasol was traded to the Los Angeles Lakers, making this the second team that he has played on since 2001, along with a 2010 second round draft pick for Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, Aaron McKie, rights to Marc Gasol (Pau's younger brother), and 2008 and 2010 first round draft picks", needs a source to all that info. A source is needed for this ---> "Kobe Bryant has also stated that playing with Gasol clicked from the start". in the 2007-08 section.
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
    In the Pre-NBA and NBA Draft, this ---> "and with Gasol", sounds like POV and may need to be re-written. In the First All-Star Game, it would be best to replace "for the first time in his career" to "making his first appearance". "In Gasol's first playoff win", needs to be re-written in the 2007-08 Playoffs.
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    This article is in need of a lot of sourcing. But, if the statements above can be answered, I will pass the article. Good luck with improving this article!

--  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:14, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you to Gamloverks for getting the stuff I left at the talk page, because I have gone off and placed the article as GA. Congrats. ;) --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! It feels GREAT to have all my hard work pay off, makes me feel a LOT better about how I'm doing. Gamloverks (talk) 03:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] The name is indeed Pau not Paul

It is indeed PAU Gasol not PAUL Gasol. Go look it up for yourself. Gamloverks (talk) 04:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cite References please.

If you add anything, please cite the place where you got your information from so I don't have to go back through it and do it. Gamloverks (talk) 05:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sant Boi?

Well, in the first sentence appear that "Pau Gasol born July 6, 1980 in Sant Boi de Llobregat" Instead in the Personal life: "he was born in Sant Pau Hospital, where both of his parents worked, in the city of Barcelona". I don't know which is correct, but a person can only born in one place. Acording to external links, he was born in Barcelona. So I think Sant Boi it's incorrect. Saquet (talk) 16:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, I'll have to do some fixing with that because I've had miscellaneous vandalism on this page. Gamloverks (talk) 20:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Pic

If anyone could upload a good and decent picture of Gasol in a Lakers jersey according to wikipedia standards, that would be great. I don't have the time to go look for one. Gamloverks (talk) 20:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

The quality isn't the best, but I uploaded new picture of him. --Ted87 (talk) 22:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
That will do for now until we get a better pic of him. Gamloverks (talk) 18:30, 6 June 2008 (UTC)